I just watched this and figured I'd post an alternative view point. I linked the comments which start his game recap:
-Daboll is coaching his ass off with a limited QB. NYG dominated time of possession.
-NYG now has a serviceable OL with a strong left tackle.
-NYG now has a legitimate WR1.
-NYG now has a strong defensive line.
He goes onto say they would be in the Super Bowl bubble if they had Josh Allen. They need more juice in the running game but can get that in the draft. The main point is they need a QB.
His opinion is that ownership influenced the Jones contract and Daboll is managing it the best he can.
Summarizing, with a QB he feels this team has the important pieces of what makes a Super Bowl team.
I'm not saying I agree with this, just a different perspective this morning.
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Dex, Nabers, and Thomas are all elite at their positions. Not many teams can say they have 3 elite guys. Burns isn’t elite, but he’s an impact player nonetheless. Okereke is very good. Thibs is good, McFadden, Pinnock all good. I like Runyan, Schmitz, and Eluemunor- all are solid starters. Plus the other rookies, Nubin and Phillips.
They probably have more talent than Buffalo does right now, outside of the QB and RB. Better weapons, LT, DL, LB’s, and safeties. The rest of the OL is pretty much on par with Buffalo,
Assuming they go out and get a QB r1, the only hole they’d have to prioritize in FA is CB (lots of intriguing names next year). The other positions where they could use an upgrade (RB, RG, IDL, and possibly TE) are easier to fill with day 2 picks or affordable FA contracts.
These guys are tough to find.
yes they have some good players, but until the coaching proves they can develop players better they are missing the biggest component of a playoff team no less super bowl team - being a well run organization.
Jalen Hurts and Tua elevate this team though. Tua would have hit at least one of those deep passes.
We seem so light on the defensive line front.
I believe you are 100% correct. I've been saying this since the moment the contract was announced.
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Josh Allen who is the best player this year so far, much less the best quarterback. Why is he being used as an example? An elite QB will elevate the team around them, no argument for anyone there. Not a new story. Now say this offense has Jalen Hurts or Tua, are they SB? No, they're not. This team still has a ways to go and absolutely, QB in the draft next year is apart of that.
Jalen Hurts and Tua elevate this team though. Tua would have hit at least one of those deep passes.
Tua and Jalen are in the best situations, aren't they? Tua operates in a scheme based offense with two of the fastest receivers in the league. Jalen has a stout line for both pass pro and run blocking, and three excellent receivers in Brown, Smith, and Goedert. He's struggling this year despite the rich supporting cast. They aren't in Josh Allen's stratosphere and neither makes the current Giants a top team. Philly aren't a top team and they have better talent across the board.
Cowherd's other points are solid.
Yep, to paraphrase a famous quote regarding the definition of porn;
"I can't define what "IT" is but I know it when I see it".
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
So GM is doing decently?
but guess what, it ain't easy to find an elite QB... how many are there in the league right now? 3?
I think we'd be a much better team with an upgrade to one of the Tier 2 QBs (Hurts, Burrow, Dak, Herbert,etc) but how many SB's have they won?
Meanwhile, the reality is they will start considering the injury guarantee.
Let me guess, not until mathematically eliminated.
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differently if he had a force multiplier like Allen. Personally, I think Daboll has reapplied the training wheels to Jones and is trying to replicate 2022 but with a little more spice with Nabers.
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
So GM is doing decently?
Let's say that is accurate. Are we really good with decent?
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In comment 16627466 Toth029 said:
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Josh Allen who is the best player this year so far, much less the best quarterback. Why is he being used as an example? An elite QB will elevate the team around them, no argument for anyone there. Not a new story. Now say this offense has Jalen Hurts or Tua, are they SB? No, they're not. This team still has a ways to go and absolutely, QB in the draft next year is apart of that.
Jalen Hurts and Tua elevate this team though. Tua would have hit at least one of those deep passes.
Tua and Jalen are in the best situations, aren't they? Tua operates in a scheme based offense with two of the fastest receivers in the league. Jalen has a stout line for both pass pro and run blocking, and three excellent receivers in Brown, Smith, and Goedert. He's struggling this year despite the rich supporting cast. They aren't in Josh Allen's stratosphere and neither makes the current Giants a top team. Philly aren't a top team and they have better talent across the board.
The Giants have an improved line and a guy who is looking like an elite WR.
Hurts and Tua’s situations are no longer an excuse.
Swap Jones for either of those QBs the Giants are 3-1 at least and winning the division.
Stop with the excuses.
I'm not, I'm ok with them and think they are doing as well as they can. The team is definitely getting stronger. The people who want them gone are the ones who only focus on the QB and say they haven't changed anything there. However its a tough trade off. If we offered the moon and sun to trade up for Maye/Daniels, we wouldn't have Nabers, Nubin, and lots of future picks. If we had picked JJM or Nix, we wouldn't have Nabers, etc. Next season lets get a vet QB and draft a top college guy
but guess what, it ain't easy to find an elite QB... how many are there in the league right now? 3?
I think we'd be a much better team with an upgrade to one of the Tier 2 QBs (Hurts, Burrow, Dak, Herbert,etc) but how many SB's have they won?
I've read on BBI many times in prior seasons that "no QB" could succeed with this team. I am absolutely certain that there are still people that feel that way here. It's not Daniel's fault. The narrative now has just changed. Instead of the OL or the WRs, it's all on Daboll, it's all on the drops, etc. Incredibly, there are still a more than small number of Jones believers here.
Such an insane comment to make. They should have ripped the band aid off and cut Jones in the offseason.
Winston, Darnold, Fields- should have just tried to find someone else. Jones isn't it- another wasted season.
This + 1,000.
That game is a win with an NFL average starter at QB. Heck it was almost winnable without one!
Jones is an anchor on this offense that the front office can't quit.
There is SOME talent here.
2 questions for you though.
First, Why don't Schoen and Daboll own the fact that there is no QB here? And if you do think they own it, that will go a long way to answering the question you asked.
Second, why are Schoen and Daboll's teams getting worse each season? They went from 9 wins, to 6 wins and I'd say 3 wins seems just about right where they'll be in the end. Why?
I don’t think you realize or will admit, how much our ceiling is capped with Jones. We have much better team than our record dictates, it’s really obvious IMO. This is an above .500 team with just a solid QB.
Last year showed he doesn’t give them a better chance than DeVito. Lock is TBD
Even if you believe this, Schoen’s handling of keeping him around has proved horrendous.
also players and coach need to continue to improve.
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differently if he had a force multiplier like Allen. Personally, I think Daboll has reapplied the training wheels to Jones and is trying to replicate 2022 but with a little more spice with Nabers.
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
So GM is doing decently?
Let's say that is accurate. Are we really good with decent?
From where we were cap wise and talent wise under DG?
And...comments above seem to indicate a decent QB would make us an above .500 team.
I think the should get Lock a look.
I would if I was the HC.
Last was the first time in 3 YEARS they sacked Dak Prescott. Think about how pathetic that is. WR's that drop easy passes that should be caught. Coaches suck. STs suck.
This team wouldn't be close to a SB with Josh Allen. Sure, they'd be alittle better, but the talent sucks.
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and with a decent QB this team is a playoff team, then why are we running the GM and coach out of town?
There is SOME talent here.
2 questions for you though.
First, Why don't Schoen and Daboll own the fact that there is no QB here? And if you do think they own it, that will go a long way to answering the question you asked.
Second, why are Schoen and Daboll's teams getting worse each season? They went from 9 wins, to 6 wins and I'd say 3 wins seems just about right where they'll be in the end. Why?
They do own the bringing back Jones, i think there is context that needs to be added but they own it and hindsight they shouldnt of done it..
As for last year they lost their Left tackle and then lost thwir best weapon by the 2md game of the season and then Jones got hurt..Daboll was able to win 6 games eith Tyrod Taylor and Tommy freakin devito and in reality should of won 9 games..
We will see what happens this year, i think they end up winning 7 games..
Progrsss isnt linear there are going to be ups and downs especially with a young roster..
While any answer is going to be multi causal, some causes matter a lot more than others.
Just finding a legit franchise QB, much less a top 3 player at the position, is the dream of every GM and is one of the hardest things to do in pro sports. 16 of the last 21 Super Bowls have been won by either Brady, Manning, Manning, Roethlisberger, or Mahomes. If you have “one of those guys” you’re gonna be in contention every year. Finding that guy is insanely rare and difficult to do…
But the fact is the Giants have had 6 top 7 picks since 2018 and the only QB we have to show for it is Daniel Jones who was not even considered by most to be worthy of a top 15 pick even at the time we drafted him. It is absolutely insane to go that long post Manning’s prime (which ended 10 years ago) with that many opportunities to draft high and NOT end up even taking a CHANCE on a QB who was a projected top 10 talent.
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and with a decent QB this team is a playoff team, then why are we running the GM and coach out of town?
There is SOME talent here.
2 questions for you though.
First, Why don't Schoen and Daboll own the fact that there is no QB here? And if you do think they own it, that will go a long way to answering the question you asked.
Second, why are Schoen and Daboll's teams getting worse each season? They went from 9 wins, to 6 wins and I'd say 3 wins seems just about right where they'll be in the end. Why?
They do own the bringing back Jones, i think there is context that needs to be added but they own it and hindsight they shouldnt of done it..
As for last year they lost their Left tackle and then lost thwir best weapon by the 2md game of the season and then Jones got hurt..Daboll was able to win 6 games eith Tyrod Taylor and Tommy freakin devito and in reality should of won 9 games..
We will see what happens this year, i think they end up winning 7 games..
Progrsss isnt linear there are going to be ups and downs especially with a young roster..
Winning 7 games this year is overly optomistic.
Everybody's guess on the QB.
We have a ton of holes
Franchise QB
Bell Cow RB
No. 2 Receiver
No. 1 CB
2 Starting Caliber DT
We need 2 or 3 strong drafts and who knows what we’ll need then.
The way to think about it is where would we be with a good QB. Getting a good QB is possible. YMMV on who is "good" vs elite vs not good. But I'd think someone on a Stafford or Herbert level.
I think that this is a good team with a Stafford or Herbert. A QB that level last night with all day to throw to these receivers? I think that team is putting up a lot of points.
San Francisco is the only one that’s clearly a playoff team even without an elite QB.
There are a handful of solid vet QBs that can push a 7 win team to 10 win playoff team level. But I don’t think we want the Giants grasping for that, we want a perennial Super Bowl contender.
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and with a decent QB this team is a playoff team, then why are we running the GM and coach out of town?
There is SOME talent here.
2 questions for you though.
First, Why don't Schoen and Daboll own the fact that there is no QB here? And if you do think they own it, that will go a long way to answering the question you asked.
So you want the coach and GM to publicly state the QB sucks? Are you serious?