I just watched this and figured I'd post an alternative view point. I linked the comments which start his game recap:
-Daboll is coaching his ass off with a limited QB. NYG dominated time of possession.
-NYG now has a serviceable OL with a strong left tackle.
-NYG now has a legitimate WR1.
-NYG now has a strong defensive line.
He goes onto say they would be in the Super Bowl bubble if they had Josh Allen. They need more juice in the running game but can get that in the draft. The main point is they need a QB.
His opinion is that ownership influenced the Jones contract and Daboll is managing it the best he can.
Summarizing, with a QB he feels this team has the important pieces of what makes a Super Bowl team.
I'm not saying I agree with this, just a different perspective this morning.
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Would like to see us pick up a decent veteran in the offseason and would have no problems letting Devito come in this season and finish things out.
I forgive them for 22 and 23, I get that they had some success with him and wanted to see more. I can forgive the contract.
All that said, they had every opportunity this offseason, whether it was citing the injuries or the subpar 23 season, to pull the trigger and move on.
Some available options included Fields, Darnold, Nix, Penix, McCarthy or going all in for Maye which they obviously didn’t.
It’s laughable to me that anyone’s take this morning is that Daboll is doing a good job. Let alone a guy getting paid for his opinion in Cowherd.
Why are we getting worse each year then?
MEANWHILE WE ARE YEAR SIX(!!!!!!!!!) INTO THE DANIEL JONES EXPERIMENT AND I HAVE TO READ OUR HEAD COACH THRIW ROSE PEDALS HIS WAY AFTER LAST NIGHT. WHEN DIES THIS INSANITY END?!?!?!??
At a minimum, They're short 1-2 interior DL players, 1 LB, and a stud CB.
Burns is a ghost because they are constantly doubling and chipping him, same with Dex..
You know how Thibs had a good game last night? because they were froced to block him 1 on 1 with a rookie..
Yup .... DT compliment, QB, CB, WR & RB. The 1st 3 can be had in FA and with our draft picks (starting quality).
TE is still a weak spot but hopefully Johnson emerges as a receiving option soon.
That ignores QB but that's been beaten to death.
Dex, Nabers, and Thomas are all elite at their positions. Not many teams can say they have 3 elite guys. Burns isn’t elite, but he’s an impact player nonetheless. Okereke is very good. Thibs is good, McFadden, Pinnock all good. I like Runyan, Schmitz, and Eluemunor- all are solid starters. Plus the other rookies, Nubin and Phillips.
They probably have more talent than Buffalo does right now, outside of the QB and RB. Better weapons, LT, DL, LB’s, and safeties. The rest of the OL is pretty much on par with Buffalo,
Assuming they go out and get a QB r1, the only hole they’d have to prioritize in FA is CB (lots of intriguing names next year). The other positions where they could use an upgrade (RB, RG, IDL, and possibly TE) are easier to fill with day 2 picks or affordable FA contracts.
These guys are tough to find.
yes they have some good players, but until the coaching proves they can develop players better they are missing the biggest component of a playoff team no less super bowl team - being a well run organization.
Jalen Hurts and Tua elevate this team though. Tua would have hit at least one of those deep passes.
We seem so light on the defensive line front.
I believe you are 100% correct. I've been saying this since the moment the contract was announced.
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Josh Allen who is the best player this year so far, much less the best quarterback. Why is he being used as an example? An elite QB will elevate the team around them, no argument for anyone there. Not a new story. Now say this offense has Jalen Hurts or Tua, are they SB? No, they're not. This team still has a ways to go and absolutely, QB in the draft next year is apart of that.
Jalen Hurts and Tua elevate this team though. Tua would have hit at least one of those deep passes.
Tua and Jalen are in the best situations, aren't they? Tua operates in a scheme based offense with two of the fastest receivers in the league. Jalen has a stout line for both pass pro and run blocking, and three excellent receivers in Brown, Smith, and Goedert. He's struggling this year despite the rich supporting cast. They aren't in Josh Allen's stratosphere and neither makes the current Giants a top team. Philly aren't a top team and they have better talent across the board.
Cowherd's other points are solid.
Yep, to paraphrase a famous quote regarding the definition of porn;
"I can't define what "IT" is but I know it when I see it".
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
So GM is doing decently?
but guess what, it ain't easy to find an elite QB... how many are there in the league right now? 3?
I think we'd be a much better team with an upgrade to one of the Tier 2 QBs (Hurts, Burrow, Dak, Herbert,etc) but how many SB's have they won?
Meanwhile, the reality is they will start considering the injury guarantee.
Let me guess, not until mathematically eliminated.
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differently if he had a force multiplier like Allen. Personally, I think Daboll has reapplied the training wheels to Jones and is trying to replicate 2022 but with a little more spice with Nabers.
But this is one of the few times Cowherd has something right. On offense, we have a legit WR1, a legit pro bowl LT, and an OL stepping it up in pass protection. And an interesting mix of RB skills.
And on D, we do have two players who are legit disruption factors in Sexy and Burns.
That is a lot of good pieces.
So GM is doing decently?
Let's say that is accurate. Are we really good with decent?
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Josh Allen who is the best player this year so far, much less the best quarterback. Why is he being used as an example? An elite QB will elevate the team around them, no argument for anyone there. Not a new story. Now say this offense has Jalen Hurts or Tua, are they SB? No, they're not. This team still has a ways to go and absolutely, QB in the draft next year is apart of that.
Jalen Hurts and Tua elevate this team though. Tua would have hit at least one of those deep passes.
Tua and Jalen are in the best situations, aren't they? Tua operates in a scheme based offense with two of the fastest receivers in the league. Jalen has a stout line for both pass pro and run blocking, and three excellent receivers in Brown, Smith, and Goedert. He's struggling this year despite the rich supporting cast. They aren't in Josh Allen's stratosphere and neither makes the current Giants a top team. Philly aren't a top team and they have better talent across the board.
The Giants have an improved line and a guy who is looking like an elite WR.
Hurts and Tua’s situations are no longer an excuse.
Swap Jones for either of those QBs the Giants are 3-1 at least and winning the division.
Stop with the excuses.
I'm not, I'm ok with them and think they are doing as well as they can. The team is definitely getting stronger. The people who want them gone are the ones who only focus on the QB and say they haven't changed anything there. However its a tough trade off. If we offered the moon and sun to trade up for Maye/Daniels, we wouldn't have Nabers, Nubin, and lots of future picks. If we had picked JJM or Nix, we wouldn't have Nabers, etc. Next season lets get a vet QB and draft a top college guy
but guess what, it ain't easy to find an elite QB... how many are there in the league right now? 3?
I think we'd be a much better team with an upgrade to one of the Tier 2 QBs (Hurts, Burrow, Dak, Herbert,etc) but how many SB's have they won?
I've read on BBI many times in prior seasons that "no QB" could succeed with this team. I am absolutely certain that there are still people that feel that way here. It's not Daniel's fault. The narrative now has just changed. Instead of the OL or the WRs, it's all on Daboll, it's all on the drops, etc. Incredibly, there are still a more than small number of Jones believers here.
Such an insane comment to make. They should have ripped the band aid off and cut Jones in the offseason.
Winston, Darnold, Fields- should have just tried to find someone else. Jones isn't it- another wasted season.
This + 1,000.
That game is a win with an NFL average starter at QB. Heck it was almost winnable without one!
Jones is an anchor on this offense that the front office can't quit.
There is SOME talent here.
2 questions for you though.
First, Why don't Schoen and Daboll own the fact that there is no QB here? And if you do think they own it, that will go a long way to answering the question you asked.
Second, why are Schoen and Daboll's teams getting worse each season? They went from 9 wins, to 6 wins and I'd say 3 wins seems just about right where they'll be in the end. Why?
I don’t think you realize or will admit, how much our ceiling is capped with Jones. We have much better team than our record dictates, it’s really obvious IMO. This is an above .500 team with just a solid QB.
Last year showed he doesn’t give them a better chance than DeVito. Lock is TBD
Even if you believe this, Schoen’s handling of keeping him around has proved horrendous.
also players and coach need to continue to improve.