I can’t go through every thread and I’m sure some of this has been discussed, but we are losing games this year because of our head coach. The decision to kick a field goal on 4th and goal from our 4. Not adjusting the run scheme when Dallas clearly knew on first down all we are doing is running directly into the A or B. The play calling to throw under the sticks continuously on 3rd down. We do not have a coach who is seeing the game clearly or adjusting to what the other team is doing. We have 2 major issues. The other is our QB. I was always under the assumption he’d be good with a good QB, I’m now thinking he’s not equipped to be a head coach. There have been too many mind- boggling decisions. He seems content with losses, as long as it doesn’t look terrible ( making excuses constantly). What the f are we doing here?
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Mike, he’s making horrible decisions. Regardless, I don’t think he’d be a competent head coach even with a good QB. We are the only team this year that couldn’t run on Dallas. Why? He was completely predictable in his run play calling. Is that on the QB?
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You thought he (meaning Daboll) would be good with a good QB. How has that been disproven?
Mike, he’s making horrible decisions. Regardless, I don’t think he’d be a competent head coach even with a good QB. We are the only team this year that couldn’t run on Dallas. Why? He was completely predictable in his run play calling. Is that on the QB?
No, but the inability to call plays to push the ball down the field is on the QB. Jones' limitations shrink the playbook.
Maybe he would still suck with a good QB that would enable you to go to a full playbook, but he hasn't had that yet (and that is partially his fault).
The kicker situation is maddening but he's not a doctor and out training department has been suspect in my eyes for years. I bet Dabs asked the trainers is Ganu good to go and there response was yes.
Do you think he has players come into his office so he can do a physical on them?
I really think Dabs has little faith in DJ and I don't blame him
There have been many instances of offenses that didn't throw deep well having better success than we're seeing, I'm talking about playoff and SB winning teams that couldn't throw deep.
is it a hamstring? Absolutely, but it for sure doesn't absolve Daboll because "muhhh DJ can't throw deep"
that's horseshit. We're not mainly losing games because of something 31 other teams do with, at best, mild success.
True. Although they were also not guaranteed to play the run better simply because of the opportunity to make adjustments or any other material improvements. They do have personnel issues on the DL (as evidenced by being desperate to have traded anything at all for Jordan Phillips, for example), and have injury issues at DL as well. And typically, teams have very little opportunity to make significant scheme adjustments on a short week going into a Thursday night football game. Even more so for the road team in that scenario, given their travel schedule.
We can't say for certain that the Cowboys didn't make progress on their own to solve some of their run defense woes, but I do think the circumstances strongly suggest that the Giants may have at least contributed to Dallas' run defense looking better last night than it had in recent weeks.
Yup. 2022 1st half Daboll has gone MIA 2 straight years. Feel for playcalling isn’t there, offensive design is meh as defenders said constantly all year last year and it’s happening again. It’s not all because of “Jones”. The OL is much better right now. I just dont see a good HC and playcalling is as bad as it’s been as with Garrett (who could blame OL and Judge micromanaging a bit) even back during Hufnagel. Josh Allen isn’t walking through door to save Daboll and I’m not sure it matters.
There have been many instances of offenses that didn't throw deep well having better success than we're seeing, I'm talking about playoff and SB winning teams that couldn't throw deep.
is it a hamstring? Absolutely, but it for sure doesn't absolve Daboll because "muhhh DJ can't throw deep"
that's horseshit. We're not mainly losing games because of something 31 other teams do with, at best, mild success.
There can be multiple problems at play at the same time. Daboll is not calling a good game. He is also limited in what he can call with the limitation the Giants have at QB.
Two things can be true at the same time. Nobody is scapegoating anyone.
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The Cowboys were not destined to play the run poorly in last nights game just because they played the run poorly in the previous games. Teams make adjustments, players improve, units improve.
True. Although they were also not guaranteed to play the run better simply because of the opportunity to make adjustments or any other material improvements. They do have personnel issues on the DL (as evidenced by being desperate to have traded anything at all for Jordan Phillips, for example), and have injury issues at DL as well. And typically, teams have very little opportunity to make significant scheme adjustments on a short week going into a Thursday night football game. Even more so for the road team in that scenario, given their travel schedule.
We can't say for certain that the Cowboys didn't make progress on their own to solve some of their run defense woes, but I do think the circumstances strongly suggest that the Giants may have at least contributed to Dallas' run defense looking better last night than it had in recent weeks.
We are in agreement. Without looking (and knowing what we are actually looking at) we can't say how well the cowboys played the run or how poorly the giants run game was. Probably a bit of both. I agree about the adjustments on a short week (i did not think of that). Although I can see players getting desperate enough to focus on their jobs (if that was a problem to begin with) to help save their season.
There have been many instances of offenses that didn't throw deep well having better success than we're seeing, I'm talking about playoff and SB winning teams that couldn't throw deep.
Keep blaming the head coach, Jones is the issue, plays were there to be had, he didn't make them.
Defenses know the Giants can't throw deep, please provide examples of NFL teams that won the super bowl but never or rarely threw deep
is it a hamstring? Absolutely, but it for sure doesn't absolve Daboll because "muhhh DJ can't throw deep"
that's horseshit. We're not mainly losing games because of something 31 other teams do with, at best, mild success.
Matt LaFluer usually likes to throw the ball all over the field. The last 2 weeks he has favored a conservative game plan with heavy rushing and some short, easy passing.
The kicker situation is maddening but he's not a doctor and out training department has been suspect in my eyes for years. I bet Dabs asked the trainers is Ganu good to go and there response was yes.
Do you think he has players come into his office so he can do a physical on them?
I really think Dabs has little faith in DJ and I don't blame him
Is Daboll really "stuck" with Jones, or was he part of the decison to keep Jones?
You guys are so impulsive in your thoughts and have no critical thinking skills or the ability to look at the whole picture.
Daboll knows he has a lot of rookies playing, a QB coming off a major injury who is a bit of a shell of his formers self. An a mid tier RB. He knows the defense is his strength and leaning on his Defense to make a play
Daboll is not the problem. we go through this each every fucking year, Let the team develop a bit.
I can't stand it anymore.
How do you coach to win with DJ? You deal with what he can do. The problem is the defense knows it
Just from a competitive standpoint, even in losses, they don't look as bad as a team should look given the QB situation they have had the past 2 and quarter seasons.
He got wins out of Tommy Devito as a rookie. That's not easy to do for any rookie QB, much less an undrafted one with limited physical skills.
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Another thing that bothers is the play calling and the direction of the offense does not seem crisp, imaginative and at times is weird. I heard the Vikings play by play guy on Sirius and he was talking about Flores being a great schemer and defensive play caller and he referenced the Giants going max protect most of the game and the Vikings dropping;7 making it nearly impossible for any semblance of a passing game to be established.
Another thing that bothers is the play calling and the direction of the offense does not seem crisp, imaginative and at times is weird. I heard the Vikings play by play guy on Sirius and he was talking about Flores being a great schemer and defensive play caller and he referenced the Giants going max protect most of the game and the Vikings dropping;7 making it nearly impossible for any semblance of a passing game to be established.
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is another scapegoat that doesn't solve the puzzle.
There have been many instances of offenses that didn't throw deep well having better success than we're seeing, I'm talking about playoff and SB winning teams that couldn't throw deep.
is it a hamstring? Absolutely, but it for sure doesn't absolve Daboll because "muhhh DJ can't throw deep"
that's horseshit. We're not mainly losing games because of something 31 other teams do with, at best, mild success.
There can be multiple problems at play at the same time. Daboll is not calling a good game. He is also limited in what he can call with the limitation the Giants have at QB.
Two things can be true at the same time. Nobody is scapegoating anyone.
This I agree with.
Another thing that bothers is the play calling and the direction of the offense does not seem crisp, imaginative and at times is weird. I heard the Vikings play by play guy on Sirius and he was talking about Flores being a great schemer and defensive play caller and he referenced the Giants going max protect most of the game and the Vikings dropping;7 making it nearly impossible for any semblance of a passing game to be established.
Since the Giants game, the Minnesota D has turned the screw on Purdy and Stroud as well. So, I'm not sure I would use that game as an example for anything anymore.
And those two teams have pretty good HCs/OCs.
But last night he had his team in position to beat the Cowpukes and his receivers dropped passes. Im guessing he is about as pissed as we are today.
You guys are so impulsive in your thoughts and have no critical thinking skills or the ability to look at the whole picture.
Daboll knows he has a lot of rookies playing, a QB coming off a major injury who is a bit of a shell of his formers self. An a mid tier RB. He knows the defense is his strength and leaning on his Defense to make a play
Daboll is not the problem. we go through this each every fucking year, Let the team develop a bit.
I can't stand it anymore.
You guys are so impulsive in your thoughts and have no critical thinking skills or the ability to look at the whole picture.
Daboll knows he has a lot of rookies playing, a QB coming off a major injury who is a bit of a shell of his formers self. An a mid tier RB. He knows the defense is his strength and leaning on his Defense to make a play
Daboll is not the problem. we go through this each every fucking year, Let the team develop a bit.
I can't stand it anymore.
You're free to leave BBI whenever. It's clear from your posts you think you're better, more educated, & more calm than us here. No one will miss you either.
You guys are so impulsive in your thoughts and have no critical thinking skills or the ability to look at the whole picture.
Daboll knows he has a lot of rookies playing, a QB coming off a major injury who is a bit of a shell of his formers self. An a mid tier RB. He knows the defense is his strength and leaning on his Defense to make a play
Daboll is not the problem. we go through this each every fucking year, Let the team develop a bit.
I can't stand it anymore.
You had the exact opinion about Joe Judge, correct?
The "stink" smell of our offense is masked by Malik's production. Remove him from the roster, and we will have less than 150 yards of total offense.
The "stink" smell of our offense is masked by Malik's production. Remove him from the roster, and we will have less than 150 yards of total offense.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Dabolls offense has stunk wherever he has been outside of Buffalo. If you need a unicorn like Josh Allen who can make off script plays to be functional or good, then what is he exactly adding?
I like Jones but I'm also fine with moving on from him. I just think we should have a new coach to work with a new QB if we go that route. We can't draft another QB and have a coach on the hot seat at the same time again.
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players wind up doing the same. Can't coach or play football scared, it almost always backfires.
How do you coach to win with DJ? You deal with what he can do. The problem is the defense knows it
You don't and won't, Jones is at the heart of it.
WR - Wan’dale is a bust, call it what it is. He can’t catch poorly placed throws, which is a necessity in this offense, and he can’t create after the throw, which is also a necessity because the QB can’t throw past 15 yds. “Why isn’t he playing Hyatt?!” Well, because Hyatt only gets separation in the area of the field our QB can’t throw. Slayton a 5th WR on any other team, but he’s our 2nd who’s make “wow” catches, but certainly makes “wow” drops seemingly every game.
RB - Tracy is a rookie, second year PLAYING THE POSITION, and he’s our 2nd RB, and our starter is a Buffalo retread. And Eric Grey has been ass since he got here.
OL - We had to go out and get, arguably, the best OL coach in football, with the second bests son as the assistant, to get a serviceable OL.
And the QB. The QB is a negative contributor, hamstrings the offensive playcalling, as evidence by winning games with Tyrod Taylor, and a portion of this fanbase still clamoring for Tommy “Have I run around long enough to buy the pass rush time to get me?” Cutlets. “Well DJ’s Daboll’s guy, he’s Daboll’s pick!” What a bizarre take, and terrible understanding of what roles people play in an organization. Robert Kraft wouldn’t let Bill Parcells have a say in personnel, you think Johnny Football is letting a first time head coach dictate to his first time GM on that choice? If we’re creating stories off of conjecture…
Winning a playoff game gave Mara enough ammo to demand the Daniel Jones contract. Schoen, having already declined his 5th year option, wanted an ability to get out from under the contract after this year, so Jones’s team negotiated the infamous “injury clause.” Mara leveraged HK to save face when we tried to move on from DJ and Saquon in the same offseason, and absolve himself from it. When Schoen told Daboll “we’re not gonna get a QB in the draft,” Daboll’s response was “So we’re going into the season, same QB room?” Oddly enough, he didn’t do backflips out of the room. This is just as likely, and is based more in reality than “well DJ is there, so it is true.” And at least mine sounds like a tale of whimsy, “The old man and his quarterback vs the mean fratboy GM, and the angry used-to-be-fat HC.”
Calling this Daboll’s fault is like saying, “Hey, design a living room.” Him saying “okay, dope, I’ve done this before. For starters, I need an L shaped sectional, it’s crucial to how I want things to look” and replying, “Let me stop you there. Best I can do is 3 metal benches.” Guess what? Your living room is gonna look like shit.
I just don’t understand what he’s NOT doing that he should be, that would make any fuck of a difference. Here’s a recent fan favorite - “he’s coaching to not lose.” I will say, you’re right if you think this makes you sound cool and tough, I mean that. But ultimately, it’s meaningless nonsense. I think what you’re trying to describe is “coaching to cover up a lack of talent.” “We are not talented enough at the QB position to throw deep and put too much air under it and hang it out there to get picked” also looks like like “playing scared.” It’s easy to mix the two up, and the second one definitely sounds tougher. But this isn’t Judge taking back to back knees. You wanna coach to this teams strengths? Well they shut down the run. Okay, maybe Jones runs some stunts then, bootlegs? Oh yea he’s coming off a leg and neck injury and doesn’t move well right now. Well Nabers— yea he was all over the formation trying to create match up issues, but he’s the only guy who gets any respect. Remember when Saquon was here and you said he sucked? And now he’s looking like the best back in the league? Cause there’s other NFL caliber players around him? Ya… well, you gotta at least take what the defense gives you, right? Oh like checkdowns to Wan’dale all game and drives that end in FGs? Hm, Daboll still sucks. Ohhhh, wait, I’m sorry, you want him to air it out? Of course! Like how DJ did with the free play! Or the last play. Or the entirety of his 6 year career.
Fans will always question coaching decisions. “He didn’t go for it on 4th n goal from the 4” turns into “how do you not take the points in a close game” pretty quick. Btw, take the points in a close game, especially when you can’t run and your QB can’t process. The red zone is the most condensed, difficult part of the field to process. But when it’s a losing team, fans will be able to say they’re right, even when they’re completely off their fucking rocker - see “Why didn’t he score?!” tirades from the Cinci game. “They could lose the ball on a fumble if they kneel down.” Cool, for the first time in history? If the Bengals score twice in the 2 minutes after, it would be same people eviscerating him, “how could you not have the situational awareness to” blah blah blah. Except this time they’d be right. And listen I get it, at times it’s easy to question if anyone on this team has even seen a football before, but it’s getting “Giants .com message board” level stupid around here lately.
Every decision is wrong, and it’s at this fever pitch that can’t be reasoned with. I saw multiple people blame Nabers for not catching the ball for “a second time to cost us the game,” despite him getting near knocked unconscious, to the point CeeDee Lamb came out to check on him. And I don’t have the wherewithal to debate people on why lacking the ability to go deep stifles the running game, but if that’s your gripe, you’re either being willfully ignorant so you can form-fit it to a narrative (likely carved out by Jordan Raanan and Wink), or you should go pick up one of those fun, “NFL Play-Calling for Idiots” books. Or just turn on any of the 4 games of the ‘08 season immediately after Plax shot himself and see how the running game faired, despite a HOF QB, HOF HC (who was also run out of town by this fan base and John Mara), and a whole helluva lot more talent than this squad.
I don’t know, what else is dumb? Oh, someone will inevitably bring up Gano. He trusted his medical staff. That’s it. That’s all there is to it. “He shoulda had a backup.” A back up kicker? You wanted us to, in earnest, carry 2 fucking kickers into a game because, despite the medical staff and doctors clearing him to play, Daboll should have used his precognitive abilities that every good HC has except for ours, and should have felt in the winds or whatever that Gano would pull an entirely separate portion of his leg? And I know, there’s somehow a team of doctors rolling up their sleeves, pushing their glasses up their nose, and cracking all their knuckles in preparation to “well actually” me to death, yet somehow I can’t get a fucking doctor to see me until 2025 - stop posting on message boards, there’s people dying, go help them. And there’ll be one sad old dude who’s got an anecdote about how he fell off a ladder and his groin, quad, hamstring, mcl, acl, and his pelvis fucking exploded, so he can speak from experience. The medical staff cleared him to play. That’s all there is to it. When you’re already bad, bad luck seems like incompetence. “WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN! WE SHOULD HAVE PREPARED FOR THE FAILURE! AND STOP PLAYING SCARED!”
Daboll will undoubtedly be run out of town. I’ve accepted that. But here’s the thing, besides maybe Mike Tomlin, who’s this guru you guys think is coming in that’s winning 10 games with this roster? If I told you Dallas, who was historically bad at stopping the run for the first 3 games, was going to absolutely stonewall us all game, what would you have said the final score would be? Like a billion - 0, them? But they were in it until the very end. Well, until when Nabers got hurt. Dallas missed the kick and I said, out loud, “I wish that mattered.” I knew the game was ending in a pick. Everyone knows Mahomes is gonna throw, everyone knows Lamar wants to run, everyone knows Justin Jefferson wants to go deep. They can’t stop them. That’s not coaching. When DJs gonna go deep, we know it’s gonna be a pick. That, also, is not coaching.
We’ve been bad for a long time. It’s exhausting. We lack offensive talent. Mara is to blame first and foremost, Schoen shortly behind him, but the truth is I don’t think we’ll ever truly know what we have in Dabs. I know Josh Allen credits Daboll for his success, I know 2 Jets fans who rejoiced when he left their division. And I know he’s better than the last 3 fucks we had, who aren’t NFL level coaches, and he’s certainly better than that better that turncoat piece of shit we had as a DC who got blackballed out of the league and gave up 90 pts in Dallas LAST YEAR, but seemingly left his mark on the impressionable fanbase and their opinion of Daboll.
Maybe Daboll isn’t a great head coach. I think he could be a very very good head coach with just a slight bit of real NFL talent, but I could be wrong (anyone still use that phrase?) I just can’t possibly see how you can objectively come to the conclusion that he “sucks” and it’s all his fault when looking at the total picture. There will be responses of “well i just can’t get past…” thing taken out of context of the whole, or “a good coach would never” one mistake he made that was probably a bad call but we lack insights and have hindsight so we can criticize, or my favorite, “I stopped reading at” the part I can actually make a point on and truncated the post to neutralize the parts I can’t explain away, ironically continuing to not look at the big picture. Or taken as a personal attack by someone who fits the description of one of the things I brought up. But most likely, it’ll be ignored entirely - which, honestly, is probably the correct response. All this withstanding, Daboll isn’t even in my top 5 of people I’d put the onus on for where this team is at. I think he’s a victim of a culture of losing that long predates him, and unfortunately, will exist well past his time here without 3rd party intervention.
Tl;dr - We suck, we’re gonna suck no matter who the coach is because the roster is that bad, Daboll hasn’t done anything truly egregious and has honestly done more with what he’s been given than he should, but you bought a jersey one time so you know the most. This is targeted at no one in specific, but also everyone all at once. Including myself. I’d say forgive the spelling/grammar errors, but, don’t. Who gives a shit. /endrant
Always good for one to 4 botched sentences.
Coaches coach, players play.
Stop constantly looking for scapegoats and believing that you have a fucking clue what you're looking at.
Execution has been shit.
Last night, Jones had a couple of misses that could have changed the game.
Slayton and Robinson (who has been fantastic) also had drops.
Dabol didn't get the kicker hurt. He didn't drop passes that could have won the game. He didn't miss any throws.
He didn't throw any bullshit flags either because officiating hurt us in Washington and last night too.
Bottom line, this team could easily be 3-1 right now... If not for the aforementioned, and none of it had to do with Dabes.
Another thing that bothers is the play calling and the direction of the offense does not seem crisp, imaginative and at times is weird. I heard the Vikings play by play guy on Sirius and he was talking about Flores being a great schemer and defensive play caller and he referenced the Giants going max protect most of the game and the Vikings dropping;7 making it nearly impossible for any semblance of a passing game to be established.
Bingo!!! Daboll's playcalling is fucking predictable. The run plays were telegraphed. We all knew when the Giants were running from our couches. We have no TE to worry about up the seams. It's just Robinson and Nabers. The goal of the offense is to get to the redzone and score. And the playcalling down there was as bad as it gets.