Sy’s tweet today about where the bar is

At least they covered the spread (depending on when you placed your bet).

off the game last night.

But at some point I would imagine the attendances are going to drop. The last game I went to was the Seattle MNF last year. I left my seat as soon as jones got picked in the endzone for the pick 6. It’s not worth the time and money you need to invest in going out there..to see a brutal product. I can’t imagine going to both home games this year only to see zero TD’s…

In comment 16628088 The_Boss said:

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But at some point I would imagine the attendances are going to drop. The last game I went to was the Seattle MNF last year. I left my seat as soon as jones got picked in the endzone for the pick 6. It’s not worth the time and money you need to invest in going out there..to see a brutal product. I can’t imagine going to both home games this year only to see zero TD’s…

Season is over now, stands will be empty moving forward. Team is limited at the most important position.

It is really amazing how low this organization has sunk in the past decade plus.

despite losing, I feel like they know their job is in jeopardy

is analyze coach speak and then get so triggered by it.

pretty pathetic.

The fan base has gotten numb to losing. It doesn’t even bother me anymore either. I can’t tell you the last time I’ve been really animated watching the Giants. It is like, ‘Whatever’.

...the team looked inept and even I thought the #1 or #2 pick was secure.

I didn't attend a single game after the SNF game v. Dallas.

And guess what, the stands were pretty full the rest of the season.

a complete joke at this point. Why waste time watching these losers?

Fire everyone. Schoen and Daboll suck and they're going backwards.

Another lost season, but none more predictable than this year.

Bring in Vrabel and let him decide who his GM will be.

because after the game, I said to my wife, with full sarcasm turned on, "But we were competitive!"

Yup, that's where we are at....

In comment 16628104 BillKo said:

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...the team looked inept and even I thought the #1 or #2 pick was secure. I didn't attend a single game after the SNF game v. Dallas. And guess what, the stands were pretty full the rest of the season.

Yeah, well, what can I tell ya'... it's my cash cow! You'll get nothing... and like it! Now drop and give me 20, MF!

Another "feel good loss"...

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Fire everyone. Schoen and Daboll suck and they're going backwards. Another lost season, but none more predictable than this year. Bring in Vrabel and let him decide who his GM will be.

firing everyone again huh? how about no and you go fire yourself as a fan.

and now they are...this.

A division game at home is considered a success if it is a game in the 4th quarter, and some players played well.

They hope to win games, but it isn't expected by anybody. Be a good teammate and try hard, and you have a place with the New York Giants.

We are in full rebuild mode. The one playoff season threw everyone off. The offensive line is a lot better, the defensive line is better, the linebackers are better, the receivers are leaps and bounds better. Once they get a few more secondary pieces and a QB, we will be good. Rome wasn't built in a day. If you keep tearing down what is being built, you will never see a finished product. Give them 5 years if you aren't in the playoffs then get rid of them.

In comment 16628104 BillKo said:

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...the team looked inept and even I thought the #1 or #2 pick was secure. I didn't attend a single game after the SNF game v. Dallas. And guess what, the stands were pretty full the rest of the season.

By avg attendace, they are number two according to ESPN's numbers and number 3 according to Yahoo's numbers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/32-nfl-teams-ranked-attendance-155645543.html
ESPN - 2023 NFL attendance - ( New Window )

But the way tbe Giants operate, raising the bar creates more problems than solutions. To be an actual good team, the Giants need to add either 1 good QB OR 4 Pro Bowl players. Neither of those things are happening overnight.

Unfortunately the Giants MO is try to win as many games as possible as soon as possible rather than having any kind of long term strategic plan. In the last years of Eli, there were mistakes made because of this bit it was understandable because of Elis stature and legacy. Now, not so much.

I care far, far less about the outcomes of games when we are bad/mediocre than I do about having a plan to actually be good. To me, the biggest takeaway from last night was that our pass protection was great. That's awesome and it's been a long time since that was true.

I really think we have the bones of something here if we could get a QB. But we haven't invested in anyone and we still might not this offseason. Keeping Daniel and using our 1st round pick on a CB or DL will probably result in more wins in 2025 than drafting a QB.

I was literally looking for the address where we Giant fans could drink this all off...lol

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In comment 16628110 Chris684 said: Quote: Fire everyone. Schoen and Daboll suck and they're going backwards. Another lost season, but none more predictable than this year. Bring in Vrabel and let him decide who his GM will be. firing everyone again huh? how about no and you go fire yourself as a fan.

What does that even mean? I can't walk away from the Giants if I tried lol.

I just don't know what else people like you need to see. What are Schoen and Daboll buildings towards exactly? Why are they going backwards? Why do people try to separate them from Daniel Jones at this point?

The whole tone around this franchise has become so weird. It's like there are people who know they're not any good but are just afraid to face it so they speak in these terms like "positive spin" "good enough" "talent is better".

What evidence is there that Schoen and Daboll have made any progress when you keep in mind the only thing we have to tangibly look at, their record, is going the wrong way and is telling us the opposite?

I think this team is better then what most think.
They can beat Seattle and be 2-3 and then go from there. This is a very long season, just gotta play better.
2 of 3 games were winnable so I'm still optimistic

Clown show.

Kyler Murray lit us up in 2019. Me and my buddy walked out mid way throuhg the 2nd quarter and headed back to Manhattan and bar hopped. Actually enjoyed our day.

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I think this team is better then what most think. They can beat Seattle and be 2-3 and then go from there. This is a very long season, just gotta play better. 2 of 3 games were winnable so I'm still optimistic

I get it. It's just become so tiresome to go through these mental exercises, EVERY season. If this, if that....

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Clown show.

So I took that as a backhanded compliment. Being proud of someone usually means the guy is overmatched but hung in there and did the best he could. I don't take it as he was actually good, and I've never heard a coach say he was proud of a good players. Second, what do you want him to say publicly, Jones sucks? That is a quick way to lose all the players.

One positive for this season is the Panthers seem to be a loss now with Dalton at QB. 1-16 and the top pick isn’t out of the question. It suck’s to be having the discussion again but it’s reality.

Set the bar low, make excuse after excuse. We're 1-3 for a reason.

We don't hit the opposing QB, we can't run the ball, can't make any big plays in the passing game unless it's a blatantly blown coverage and even then it's for the most minimal big play possible. They have improved in pass blocking and in little else.

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off the game last night.

Same. It won't be good enough later this season in Dallas... but, yeah.

In comment 16628088 The_Boss said:

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But at some point I would imagine the attendances are going to drop. The last game I went to was the Seattle MNF last year. I left my seat as soon as jones got picked in the endzone for the pick 6. It’s not worth the time and money you need to invest in going out there..to see a brutal product. I can’t imagine going to both home games this year only to see zero TD’s…

The attendance isn't going to drop unless they are playing another awful team late in the year. Ticket holders will continue to sell their tix on the secondary market, which will result in a lot fans for the other team. While embarrassing (see last night's post game festivities), is it embarrassing enough for ownership to care? They still had a full house, concessions, etc.

In comment 16628101 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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The fan base has gotten numb to losing. It doesn’t even bother me anymore either. I can’t tell you the last time I’ve been really animated watching the Giants. It is like, ‘Whatever’.

Agree. At the beginning of the season I said I have become a very passive fan. Love the Giants but my emotions are much more in check. And that is not a good fan base. Thats the fan that won't buy any gear, won't buy tickets if available, turn the tv off if he becomes so inclined( I haven't don't that yet), or wont cancel other plans on Sunday to watch games. That isn't the way Mara should want his fan base.

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We don't hit the opposing QB, we can't run the ball, can't make any big plays in the passing game unless it's a blatantly blown coverage and even then it's for the most minimal big play possible. They have improved in pass blocking and in little else.

I get that everyone's dissatisfied but that's not true. The pass rush is a lot better. They had 34 sacks as a *team* last year.

They have 15 thru week 4 in 2024 and it's not because of one player. Numerous players are contributing to it.

83 QB hits in 2023.
29 thru week 4 in 2024.

In comment 16628170 gpat1031 said:

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I think this team is better then what most think. They can beat Seattle and be 2-3 and then go from there. This is a very long season, just gotta play better. 2 of 3 games were winnable so I'm still optimistic

I agree. Its going to be met with hostility on some threads but this isn't a 1 or 2 win team. The team will win some games people don't expect them to. Personally, I'm expecting a win vs Seattle.

Than 1-3 at this point in the season? Perhaps the Giants themselves did, since the transactions they've mad are of the sort that a team with playoff run ambitions make. But this was a bad team last year that has made some apparent improvements in personnel and coaching, but likely not enough to be significant better.

but saquon would've been a great upgrade.
seeing devin s. in 26 is just not yielding the same results.

In comment 16628193 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 16628183 bceagle05 said: Quote: Clown show. So I took that as a backhanded compliment. Being proud of someone usually means the guy is overmatched but hung in there and did the best he could. I don't take it as he was actually good, and I've never heard a coach say he was proud of a good players. Second, what do you want him to say publicly, Jones sucks? That is a quick way to lose all the players.

When Daboll looks at the tape with the players, plays are being missed. Jones is missing deep throws. The fastest way to lose the team is continuing to play and coddle the QB who isn't delivering results. For as efficient Jones was, he missed explosive plays down field.

And maybe Daboll doesn't trust him, than either Schoen & Daboll got the evaluation so blatantly wrong this year with no back up plan or they didn't have a grasp on his health if that is impacting his deep ball.

We heard all these stories about how aggressive Daboll was going to run the offense, yet he's already back to running the 2022 offense.

I'd imagine Penix wouldn't miss those throws.

Is what we want vs a Cinderella season.

Let's say we go into next season with a real OL, blooming 2ndary, improved pass rush and a legit WR Corp that is competitive consistently we are moving in the right direction.

The Giants have made themselves an NFL doormat.

Many of us have been making the same complaints for years: low standards, poor planning, nepotism, general incompetence. Nothing has changed, and there is no reason to believe it will. Any success the Giants enjoy will be as much the result of parity and luck as it will anything they do themselves.

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Daboll just spitting out answers but wanted to see if they're actually moving the ball better but worse in RZ than previous 2 years Yards/Play: 2024: 4.7 2023: 4.5 2022: 5.2 RZ TD Rate: 2024: 50% 2023: 44.2% 2022: 63.3%

In comment 16628186 bradshaw44 said:

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Kyler Murray lit us up in 2019. Me and my buddy walked out mid way throuhg the 2nd quarter and headed back to Manhattan and bar hopped. Actually enjoyed our day.

That’s really funny. Bet it was a memorable day.

but there are some who heard him say that he was proud of the folks who squirt gatorade into the players mouth and then later heard him say he was proud of the people who paint the lines so straight up and down the field and across. He can't get over how they do that.

We're all there getting drunk because this team is so painful that we need the alcohol to numb the pain

In comment 16628309 Go Terps said:

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The Giants have made themselves an NFL doormat. Many of us have been making the same complaints for years: low standards, poor planning, nepotism, general incompetence. Nothing has changed, and there is no reason to believe it will. Any success the Giants enjoy will be as much the result of parity and luck as it will anything they do themselves.

If they ever actually try to improve QB and hit, it should get better. This still remains a QB issue. A lot of owners suck and teams win.

was set for the Giants to lose by 5?

It just kills me that the Giants have fallen so far. & if it kills me, I gotta imagine it's eating away @ John. Does he not recognize the problem?

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In comment 16628206 Dave in PA said: Quote: We don't hit the opposing QB, we can't run the ball, can't make any big plays in the passing game unless it's a blatantly blown coverage and even then it's for the most minimal big play possible. They have improved in pass blocking and in little else. I get that everyone's dissatisfied but that's not true. The pass rush is a lot better. They had 34 sacks as a *team* last year. They have 15 thru week 4 in 2024 and it's not because of one player. Numerous players are contributing to it. 83 QB hits in 2023. 29 thru week 4 in 2024.

Those numbers include the Browns game, which was an anomaly in terms of sacks, pressures, etc.

It counts, but that is going to smooth out over time.

is that hockey season is right around the corner.

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We are in full rebuild mode. The one playoff season threw everyone off. The offensive line is a lot better, the defensive line is better, the linebackers are better, the receivers are leaps and bounds better. Once they get a few more secondary pieces and a QB, we will be good. Rome wasn't built in a day. If you keep tearing down what is being built, you will never see a finished product. Give them 5 years if you aren't in the playoffs then get rid of them.

So that's the problem and why this regime has failed.

We have a $40 million QB, a Pro Bowl LT in his prime, a franchise DT in his prime, two pass rushers - one a big money FA and the other a former #5 overall pick.

This is a team built to win now.

The fact that it's not is an utter organizational failure and it starts with the Maras.

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In comment 16628156 Starke86 said:

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We are in full rebuild mode. The one playoff season threw everyone off. The offensive line is a lot better, the defensive line is better, the linebackers are better, the receivers are leaps and bounds better. Once they get a few more secondary pieces and a QB, we will be good. Rome wasn't built in a day. If you keep tearing down what is being built, you will never see a finished product. Give them 5 years if you aren't in the playoffs then get rid of them.

I agree, but 5 years is way too much additional time. Pick a QB in 2025 and make the playoffs by 2026. Patience is a virtue, but at some point it gets ridiculous. I like Daboll but the leash is getting shorter

In comment 16628195 CV36 said:

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One positive for this season is the Panthers seem to be a loss now with Dalton at QB. 1-16 and the top pick isn’t out of the question. It suck’s to be having the discussion again but it’s reality.

Really? People on this site said the same about Darnold and we got embarrassed at home. Dalton is a good QB and he will most likely have a career day against us

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One positive for this season is the Panthers seem to be a loss now with Dalton at QB. 1-16 and the top pick isn’t out of the question. It suck’s to be having the discussion again but it’s reality.

Do you realize how improbable it is to go 1-16? There is no chance that is happening.

Just keep playing DJ and 1-16 is actually very possible...

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Do you realize how improbable it is to go 1-16? There is no chance that is happening.

“Hold my beer.” - Daniel Jones