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D Jones - any orthpaedists/doctors out there?

NJBlueTuna : 9/29/2024 11:32 am
I will start out by saying I was pro-Jones for a long time. Partly bc I know he had a horrific OLine and also no weapons for a good chunk of his time. Also, if he panned out it made the rebuild focused and much easier. I was hopeful as a fan.

However, I saw this the first game of the season and was hoping it was rust after the long layoff. He was short arming passes at the feet of his WRs even on short intermediate routes, even with little pressure. That wasn’t good and some of the very esteemed posters, even an asshat, made a very cryptic comment that wasn’t a good sign and without further elaboration. After the Dallas game, when he had great protection and literally had to throw a few deep balls, he just couldn’t. Remember, Jones used to throw a beautiful deep ball ie, “Danny Dimes”. It has become apparent to me the past neck injuries have messed up his mechanics and arm strength. His arm strength was never a cannon, but was very capable and at least slightly above NFL average. His accuracy was elite, noting accuracy is very different from decision making (which was always on the slow side).

I think his injury clause language has us stuck as a franchise now bc he can medically play and is serviceable. He is just limited on the throws he can now make and the deep throw, which Nabers and Hyatt can excel at, is now gone allowing teams to stack the line and intermediate routes.

It’s going to be a long season.
I don’t see that the Giants are “stuck” because of the injury clause.  
Ivan15 : 9/29/2024 11:43 am : link
If this season continues with multiple losses and the Giants are 2-8 at the break, it gives them another reason to sit Jones for the rest of the season (essentially declaring early that “we are done with Jones”) rather than waiting for improvement that never comes.
Not as confident on his runs and boots  
WestCoastGMan : 9/29/2024 11:50 am : link
He didn't run out of the pocket as much-which is good. His pocket awareness has gotten better in the last 2 games but the threat of him running is a lot less. On one run he did he went HEAD FIRST again into the tackle.
With the ACL repair, you are not as confident on cuts and twists on the turf. Supposedly they use a tendon to rebuild the ACL so technically it's stronger than the ligament that was the original. But all the adjacent muscles like VMO(stabilizer)go to shit in weeks after trauma.
His straight ahead speed is probably OK but DJ was never an agile runner. He gets an opening and runs straight for the line and will steamroll the safety. But for agility, nimbleness and quickness he never had that. And the surgery rehab probably over emphasized muscle building and not fast twitch explosiveness. IE: the quick pops and cuts to duck, run plant and throw. Plus if you are running laterally and trying to chuck on the run you will twist upper body to generate elastic force which may put twisting pressure on knee . Like how tennis players whip their core but keep legs generally stable. That's the motion that an ACL will not like. When upper body and core are generating tons of force and the quad follows but cleats are planted. No bueno
I wonder what would happen if it comes out that  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/29/2024 12:05 pm : link
his neck is still an issue and will need another surgery to get back to full strength. Could team DJ try to force a procedure which would put his recovery beyond the March deadline?
Try this out and you will know  
WestCoastGMan : 9/29/2024 12:15 pm : link
Run laterally or even walk sideways and then go into a throw motion and see how the knee gets torque . That's something Mahomes takes for granted
Wasnt there some asshats & rumors  
HardTruth : 9/29/2024 12:30 pm : link
Last year that Jones had sustained enough damage that he was weakened and had demonstrably less arm strength?
RE: Wasnt there some asshats & rumors  
NJBlueTuna : 9/29/2024 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16630162 HardTruth said:
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Last year that Jones had sustained enough damage that he was weakened and had demonstrably less arm strength?


This is the whole point of my post.
I don't think they ever  
Bill in UT : 9/29/2024 3:09 pm : link
specified what the neck injury(ies) was, so it's pretty hard to say what the effect on his throwing may or may not be.
It all starts with the legs  
Rjanyg : 9/29/2024 3:33 pm : link
I think the knee and the weaker legs is affecting both his throwing strength and accuracy.
women weaken legs  
gtt350 : 9/29/2024 4:16 pm : link
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Jones has fine lower body strength  
WestCoastGMan : 9/29/2024 5:58 pm : link
But it's probably slow twitch weight bearing stuff like lunges, squats. The ability to throw on the run, off balance requires a lot of instinct with the lower body. If he is guarding the knee then his rotational strength is compromised
RE: RE: Wasnt there some asshats & rumors  
kickoff : 9/29/2024 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16630194 NJBlueTuna said:
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In comment 16630162 HardTruth said:


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Last year that Jones had sustained enough damage that he was weakened and had demonstrably less arm strength?



This is the whole point of my post.


The hail mary pass at the end of the Dallas game went about 60 yds. I don't think arm strengh is the problem.
Before the Cowboys Game  
Jeffrey : 9/29/2024 6:05 pm : link
He was overthrowing the few deep passes he tried.
I am willing to buy the neck injury as a reason for diminshed strength  
Matt M. : 9/29/2024 7:46 pm : link
(see P. Manning). But, you lose me when you say his accuracy was elite.
I don't even think it was about the weapons  
barens : 9/29/2024 10:06 pm : link
as much as the offensive line, which was really horrible for a long time.
I keep thinking about this  
Giantimistic : 9/29/2024 11:49 pm : link
He had processing problems and pocket awareness early in his career but he really did throw an accurate long ball—it was what got me excited about him.

He is really off in this now and clearly something has changed.
RE: I am willing to buy the neck injury as a reason for diminshed strength  
NJBlueTuna : 9/30/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16630752 Matt M. said:
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(see P. Manning). But, you lose me when you say his accuracy was elite.


Think he was called Danny Dimes by accident? Mental processing and accuracy are mutually exclusive traits.
Please make it stop  
HomerJones45 : 9/30/2024 9:52 am : link
DC's have a long book on Dumpster Dan now. They take away the deep middle and make him throw down the sidelines. He doesn't see when and where his receivers have leverage, he is consistently late delivering the ball, and not particularly accurate.

On the penalty play that became a pick, Slayton had leverage deep and to the outside. Jones should have thrown the ball up and to the outside when Slayton was approaching the cornerback. Jones, of course, didn't see it, waited until Slayton was clear of the corner to throw the ball and then threw it inside where the safety was waiting for it. There's a long play there for a qb who sees the field and recognizes where the receiver has an advantage. Jones ain't it and never has been.

One of the keys to throwing long is to recognize where the opening is going to be before the defenders recognize it. That never happens with this guy. The DC's know that too.
RE: Please make it stop  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16631139 HomerJones45 said:
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DC's have a long book on Dumpster Dan now. They take away the deep middle and make him throw down the sidelines. He doesn't see when and where his receivers have leverage, he is consistently late delivering the ball, and not particularly accurate.

On the penalty play that became a pick, Slayton had leverage deep and to the outside. Jones should have thrown the ball up and to the outside when Slayton was approaching the cornerback. Jones, of course, didn't see it, waited until Slayton was clear of the corner to throw the ball and then threw it inside where the safety was waiting for it. There's a long play there for a qb who sees the field and recognizes where the receiver has an advantage. Jones ain't it and never has been.

One of the keys to throwing long is to recognize where the opening is going to be before the defenders recognize it. That never happens with this guy. The DC's know that too.
again , and again, you and everyone says " Didn't see it, didn't see it", yet the one thing no one will talk about is his vision. Amazing...
RE: Please make it stop  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16631139 HomerJones45 said:
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DC's have a long book on Dumpster Dan now. They take away the deep middle and make him throw down the sidelines. He doesn't see when and where his receivers have leverage, he is consistently late delivering the ball, and not particularly accurate.

On the penalty play that became a pick, Slayton had leverage deep and to the outside. Jones should have thrown the ball up and to the outside when Slayton was approaching the cornerback. Jones, of course, didn't see it, waited until Slayton was clear of the corner to throw the ball and then threw it inside where the safety was waiting for it. There's a long play there for a qb who sees the field and recognizes where the receiver has an advantage. Jones ain't it and never has been.

One of the keys to throwing long is to recognize where the opening is going to be before the defenders recognize it. That never happens with this guy. The DC's know that too.
again , and again, you and everyone says " Didn't see it, didn't see it", yet the one thing no one will talk about is his vision. Amazing...
RE: RE: I am willing to buy the neck injury as a reason for diminshed strength  
rsjem1979 : 9/30/2024 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16631115 NJBlueTuna said:
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Think he was called Danny Dimes by accident?


Not by accident, but it wasn't an apt nickname at any point.
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