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NGT: Hurts

BestFeature : 9/29/2024 8:37 pm
Am I crazy is he not very good? 3rd best QB in the NFC East and he's a lot closer to #4 than he is #2. 2022 was a fluke year where he had one of the best O-lines in the league, top 5 skill players, and a top 5 defense that got him the ball back. Maybe Howie Roseman does not walk on water afterall.
Check him out the year before  
mittenedman : 9/29/2024 8:38 pm : link
they became the All Madden Team. He got smacked around by Judge's Giants.
The Eagles  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/29/2024 8:40 pm : link
Are a sinking ship as their cap will be fucked for years paying washed players those voidable years (Bradberry, Slay) and backloaded contracts (Hurts, Brown, Barkley, and etc)
a good example  
Giantsfan79 : 9/29/2024 8:45 pm : link
of how losing your coach can tank your play
He is not very good but  
larryflower37 : 9/29/2024 8:47 pm : link
You lose your top 2 WRs and your starting RT these are usually the results.
I think he is better than Jones and that is the only person  
Essex : 9/29/2024 8:52 pm : link
I really care about in the sense that in order to beat the Eagles consistently we need our Qb to be better than theirs
He was a product of a powerhouse team  
Jay on the Island : 9/29/2024 8:54 pm : link
they unwisely invested in him as if he was a star QB just like the Giants.
RE: I think he is better than Jones and that is the only person  
BestFeature : 9/29/2024 8:58 pm : link
In comment 16630804 Essex said:
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I really care about in the sense that in order to beat the Eagles consistently we need our Qb to be better than theirs


But doesn't he make significantly more than Jones? And honestly, I'm a lot more confident in the Giants replacing Jones soon than the Eagles replacing Hurts.
don't worry  
Giantsfan79 : 9/29/2024 8:58 pm : link
I'm sure the Colts will trade at least 2 #1s for Hurts after the season
RE: He is not very good but  
BestFeature : 9/29/2024 8:58 pm : link
In comment 16630801 larryflower37 said:
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You lose your top 2 WRs and your starting RT these are usually the results.


So he's Daniel Jones in 2023? He sure got a lot of sympathy from fans and the media.
RE: He is not very good but  
Toth029 : 9/29/2024 9:30 pm : link
In comment 16630801 larryflower37 said:
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You lose your top 2 WRs and your starting RT these are usually the results.


Top WR's being All Pro or at the very least Pro Bowlers. The starting RT is also an annual All Pro guy.
I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
St. Jimmy : 9/29/2024 9:31 pm : link
The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.
RE: I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
Chris in Philly : 9/29/2024 9:39 pm : link
In comment 16630856 St. Jimmy said:
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The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.


And saquon missing blitzes that result in sacks and fumbles. Some things never change.
RE: RE: I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
Sean : 9/29/2024 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16630863 Chris in Philly said:
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The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.



And saquon missing blitzes that result in sacks and fumbles. Some things never change.

How do you see all this playing out? Is Sirianni looking at a mid season firing?
Told people that years  
section125 : 9/29/2024 9:47 pm : link
ago. Best line in football and the best group of WRs at that time made him great.
He is not bad, just vastly overrated because of where he was.
RE: RE: I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
St. Jimmy : 9/29/2024 9:48 pm : link
In comment 16630863 Chris in Philly said:
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The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.



And saquon missing blitzes that result in sacks and fumbles. Some things never change.
Did he? Good. I was in the car for part of it. Merrill and Mike are a good listen when the Eagles are getting killed.
RE: RE: RE: I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
Chris in Philly : 9/29/2024 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16630868 Sean said:
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The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.



And saquon missing blitzes that result in sacks and fumbles. Some things never change.


How do you see all this playing out? Is Sirianni looking at a mid season firing?


The seat is certainly red hot, and Howie continues to be Teflon for whatever reason. I can’t see a mid-season dismissal though as it would be admitting they should have fired him after last season. Which they should have.
Without brown  
Breeze_94 : 9/29/2024 9:50 pm : link
Hurts is now 12-21 in his career, with about 150 passing YPG. He also has 28 turnovers in his last 22 games.

He is not very good, and now is being exposed without weapons and the OL not playing as well. He doesn’t look much better than Jones now that he is in a similar situation as Jones was (but a better OL). He’s even handing it off to Barkley and throwing to Paris Campbell and John Ross.
He’s had a good supporting cast  
RAIN : 9/29/2024 10:01 pm : link
And done well, but he's not putting a team on his back ala Mahomes/Allen.
Looks more like the #4 in the  
barens : 9/29/2024 10:02 pm : link
NFC East, but that's me.
RE: I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
Giantimistic : 9/29/2024 11:43 pm : link
In comment 16630856 St. Jimmy said:
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The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.


I was going to start a thread about this. They do look just like the Giants with Saquon—who I was a big fan of. He is great and helps with some wins and has some exciting plays that make you think he is elevating the team but something is just off.
RE: RE: I was thinking they look like the Giants most of Saquon's career hear.  
Chris in Philly : 9/30/2024 12:00 am : link
In comment 16630940 Giantimistic said:
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The entire team looked like crap. Awful throws by Hurts and drops by receivers. The defense couldn't tackle most of the day.



I was going to start a thread about this. They do look just like the Giants with Saquon—who I was a big fan of. He is great and helps with some wins and has some exciting plays that make you think he is elevating the team but something is just off.


And they already lost a game because he dropped a pass in his hands that could have sealed it. Again, some things never change.
I can't wait to see Sirriani get the Fassell treatment  
200711 : 9/30/2024 1:45 am : link
Couldn't happen to a more deserving piece of shit.
RE: I can't wait to see Sirriani get the Fassell treatment  
56goat : 9/30/2024 8:04 am : link
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Couldn't happen to a more deserving piece of shit.


Eagles post-game show threw him under the bus big time. Looks like he is or already has lost the team.
Not to miller this thread, but yesterday was vintage Barkley  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/30/2024 8:26 am : link
...doing fuck-all for the whole first half, doing zero to extend drives, has one big run to pad his YPC.
If you thought Jones' contract  
Costy16 : 9/30/2024 8:39 am : link
Was bad, take a look at Hurts.
I thought many overrated Hurts after his  
Section331 : 9/30/2024 8:44 am : link
2022 season. He was excellent, don’t get me wrong, but the key to being a top 20 QB is to repeat it year after year. He’s a big strong guy, runs well, but has always struggled with accuracy in mid-range passing. He no longer has the best OL in the league and it shows.

Sirianni is definitely on the hot seat. I just wonder how long before Philly makes a switch. There is clearly something wrong in that locker room, they are too talented to be struggling this much.
I have seen 3 of the 4 Eagles games this year  
Essex : 9/30/2024 9:21 am : link
because they played in primetime twice and we were off yesterday. Hurts was not good yesterday, but he has been playing without AJ Brown for 3 of the 4 games and Smith yesterday. The bottom line is that when he has those two guys or even one of them he performs at a level we that makes them competitive virtually every game and I don't think that has changed. The question after 2022 was he one of the best QBs i n the league and I don't think he is (although I was scared he was after 2022), but he isn't on the Jones level by any stretch.
He sucks  
Lambuth_Special : 9/30/2024 9:26 am : link
And Roseman is now just as guilty as Giants management of falling too much in love with his QBs too early. Bad contract to Wentz, and he literally went on record saying Hurts "has nothing left to prove" a week before the Superbowl!

If he's not careful the Eagles will be lapped will be lapped by the Commanders (unfortunately not by the Giants at this rate).
Hurts like so many NFL QBs  
joe48 : 9/30/2024 4:03 pm : link
He was a good running QB that has a great supporting cast. Take away his top receivers and he struggles. He is not a QB that can throw into tight windows. But many in 2022 were rating him elite. Other than Mahomes there are a few flashes.
Hurts' no good,  
Pete in MD : 10/1/2024 10:24 am : link
c'mon baby say that Hurts' no good!
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