2025 1st round appears weak on paper?

Fits our needs and one of the best players in the country. We need a QB above all else, but maybe they pull in a vet QB for a year and we can snag our next starting CB at the top of Round One this year.

Last year we had Nabers substantially higher than any of the available QB’s. I was looking at who might do that this year, and other than McMillan, Pearce, Johnson, and Hunter who stands out as far and away better than QB options?

including QB.

In comment 16631047 Bold Ruler said:

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Fits our needs and one of the best players in the country. We need a QB above all else, but maybe they pull in a vet QB for a year and we can snag our next starting CB at the top of Round One this year.

Yep. Whenever I think about this draft and who is a true big time talent that can help right away, my thoughts keeps returning to Will Johnson. Would be nice if we could sign Darnold and draft a QB behind him.

but what do I know.

In comment 16631049 Mike in NY said:

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Last year we had Nabers substantially higher than any of the available QB’s. I was looking at who might do that this year, and other than McMillan, Pearce, Johnson, and Hunter who stands out as far and away better than QB options?

Mason Graham next to Lawrence would be absolutely insane.

When you have a top 5 pick

We get all kids of predictions from the pundits that rarely pan out... we'll see when we see...

But it is simply way too early to make any statement like that. The early grades from teams are often way, way off. The most-junior level guys are dishing them out over summer.

This number will be over 15 by mid-january.

That said, DE Pearce (Tennessee) and OLB Carter (Penn State) have been somewhat of a let down and there is no sure-thing top QB, yet. That is a factor.

A number of very good cornerbacks, edge rushers and receivers. QBs are still up in the air.

Here are a few:

Kayvon Thibodeaux
Trevor Lawrence
Evan Neal
Bryce Young

Here are a few:

Kayvon Thibodeaux
Trevor Lawrence
Evan Neal
Bryce Young

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But it is simply way too early to make any statement like that. The early grades from teams are often way, way off. The most-junior level guys are dishing them out over summer. This number will be over 15 by mid-january. That said, DE Pearce (Tennessee) and OLB Carter (Penn State) have been somewhat of a let down and there is no sure-thing top QB, yet. That is a factor.

Sy, my general feeling so far is that stock is up a little for Milroe and way up for Ward, while stock down a little for Beck and a lot for Ewers given another injury.

And no significant movement on Will Howard yet given the OSU schedule this far. Is how you also see it?

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Here are a few: Kayvon Thibodeaux Trevor Lawrence Evan Neal Bryce Young

Thibodeaux is a very good player. He had a very good year last year and this year the early returns are good.

And I and others were shouting from the rooftops that Young was a huge risk, I just don't understand taking a QB #1 overall at that physical profile. I was a Stroud guy.

Now, I also was a Lawrence guy and don't forget he was pretty good in 2022, that was a successful year for a 2nd year QB, and they made the playoffs.

I think Pederson is hurting him badly, he doesn't seem to give a second thought to scheming more protection for his QB while his tackles are struggling badly.

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including QB.

Agreed. Not a great QB class.

And of course, this is the year where a top 3-4 pick is realistic for the NYG.

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In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class.

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In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class.

How is someone like Milroe not on the same level as Jayden Daniels? I think pretty similar final 2 years of college. Both were good, not great, their first year starting at Bama and LSU and took massive leaps the next year. Milroe is a more athletic, better built version of Daniels on paper.

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In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class.

Disagree, I think there are a number of good QBs that will be NFL players. Now which 2 or 3 become stars, well we will wait and see, but I can list 4-6 guys that IMO are at least as good as the JJM/Nix/Penix grouping, and possibly as good as the higher picked 3.

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In comment 16631377 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class. How is someone like Milroe not on the same level as Jayden Daniels? I think pretty similar final 2 years of college. Both were good, not great, their first year starting at Bama and LSU and took massive leaps the next year. Milroe is a more athletic, better built version of Daniels on paper.

I think Milroe looks great. I'd be happy to see the Giants draft him.

Do you think they're going to get that chance? I don't.

In comment 16631430 allstarjim said:

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In comment 16631377 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class.

At some point we have to stop bullshitting ourselves, don't we?

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In comment 16631430 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 16631377 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class. At some point we have to stop bullshitting ourselves, don't we?

We are not bullshitting ourselves if we say that there are a number of QB's this year at least on par with JJ/Nix/Penix even if none may be at the level of Williams/Daniels coming out

In comment 16631494 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16631480 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16631430 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 16631377 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16631051 JonC said: Quote: including QB. Agreed. Not a great QB class. At some point we have to stop bullshitting ourselves, don't we? We are not bullshitting ourselves if we say that there are a number of QB's this year at least on par with JJ/Nix/Penix even if none may be at the level of Williams/Daniels coming out

Who? Things may change between now and April, but right now I don't see six first round QBs. I see two, tops (definitely Milroe and probably Ward).

Besides, you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB, remember? Should the Giants pass on WR1/CB1/DE1 so they can draft QB3?

To align to where we're ultimately picking in the draft. If there were two sure fire studs, people would be talking more favorably about the class, but it would only benefit the teams picking 1 and 2. Last year at this time Williams and Maye were well on everyone's radar and Daniels was tearing up, but it didn't do us any good. With an incomplete grade on the QBs and not knowing where we'll be picking, the hand wringing about it being a week QB class is silly complaining.

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But it is simply way too early to make any statement like that. The early grades from teams are often way, way off. The most-junior level guys are dishing them out over summer. This number will be over 15 by mid-january. That said, DE Pearce (Tennessee) and OLB Carter (Penn State) have been somewhat of a let down and there is no sure-thing top QB, yet. That is a factor.

Didn't Carter have a very good game on Saturday?

It's way too early to make any definitive proclamations on the QB class or if there will be any elite franchise QB prospects in this draft.

What Milroe did against Georgia was extremely impressive, however.

Can't put him on Daniels' level as of yet as a prospect, but he's putting up similar production and efficiency to Daniels' Heisman '23 season thus far through 4 contests. If he keeps this up he will likely go #1.

Cam Ward is also off to a very impressive start.

Out of teams likely to be bad this year, there's not many that I think would take a QB at one. For example, if Jacksonville implodes and gets the first pick, what do you about Lawrence and that contract... he's already made the playoffs and shown some level of success, I think they would invest around him and trade out.

Carolina, not sure they would move on this quickly from Young but possible. Tennessee I don't think will lose enough games but could happen.

I think the Giants will have a chance to either get one of the top 2 QBs or trade up to do the same with a team in position that won't want to transition to a rookie yet.

In comment 16631494 Mike in NY said:

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We are not bullshitting ourselves if we say that there are a number of QB's this year at least on par with JJ/Nix/Penix even if none may be at the level of Williams/Daniels coming out

I think it's an interesting class. Dart didn't help himself Saturday, Leonard does nothing for me, Moss seems too small and one dimensional for me, Beck is okay, but that OL gives him a lot of time to make fairly straightforward throws.

But Milroe, Nussmeier, Ward, Sanders have first round skills. Nussmeier, in particular, can hum it.

Allar is physically a first rounder, but I still can't turn the corner with his pocket ability and decisions. Ewers can also throw it, but he seems one dimensional to me.

Have you seen Rourke for Indiana? A couple of posters mentioned him a few weeks agon. He's big and it looks like there isn't a throw he can't make.

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In comment 16631197 Sy'56 said: Quote: But it is simply way too early to make any statement like that. The early grades from teams are often way, way off. The most-junior level guys are dishing them out over summer. This number will be over 15 by mid-january. That said, DE Pearce (Tennessee) and OLB Carter (Penn State) have been somewhat of a let down and there is no sure-thing top QB, yet. That is a factor. Didn't Carter have a very good game on Saturday?

He did. It was his breakout game for the year.

all look the part to me. Other more developmental guys for later rounds are Moss and ALlar.

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all look the part to me. Other more developmental guys for later rounds are Moss and ALlar.

These guys are all playing better than Maye did in his senior year. Williams and Daniels were a cut above, but so far I'd put this list up with any of the others.

The Giants felt that wasn't good enough to draft when they were in position to do so and with a clear need. Why would this year be any different? Daniel Jones is still under contract in 2025.

With the torn ACL has weakened the edge rusher position.

But it's about NFL potential, not just college stats. Guys like Sanders and Nussmeier don't really pop off the screen in terms of physical talent.

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The Giants felt that wasn't good enough to draft when they were in position to do so and with a clear need. Why would this year be any different? Daniel Jones is still under contract in 2025.

Two of those 3 were starting as rookies (JJM got hurt), so I don't see it as any problem personally. Why would we play a dead-end DJ on his last year when we could invest in the future and play a rookie, likely getting the same results. At least this way we are potentially building something, not just status quo

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In comment 16631563 widmerseyebrow said: Quote: The Giants felt that wasn't good enough to draft when they were in position to do so and with a clear need. Why would this year be any different? Daniel Jones is still under contract in 2025. Two of those 3 were starting as rookies (JJM got hurt), so I don't see it as any problem personally. Why would we play a dead-end DJ on his last year when we could invest in the future and play a rookie, likely getting the same results. At least this way we are potentially building something, not just status quo

I'm just talking about what the Giants will do. I liked Penix myself.

But anyone trying to rationalize what we did in the last draft as part of some greater strategy to just get the QB in 2025...it's not going to be any easier this time around. We either have to be really bad all year (at which point, why would the GM and coach be retained?) or we have to settle for a prospect with warts like Penix/JJ/Nix.