He is not perfect, I get that...but he is our QB...and you probably forgot so soon, he threw 2 perfect balls to Malik on 4th down against the Redskins and the Cowboys...If Malik catches those 2 balls, those drives continue...so when you say he doesnt come up big in big moments, he is NOT the reason we lost those 2 games, quite the contrary, he put us in position to win those 2 games...
So leave the man alone for a minute.
And this is what his A-game looks like: solid, streaky player who is more dependent on his team than his team is on him.
Why anyone thinks that's the solution is beyond me, but this is Daniel Jones at his peak.
Enjoy.
In some ways, if the season plays out the way it has the first four weeks, everyone will have an opportunity to walk away with their dignity intact.
The Giants finish 5-12 and simply conclude that Jones is not the guy based on record. The Jones fanatics get to point to his 14th QBR rating to say he was actually not the problem. And the Jones haters get a new QB.
Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth.
In reality, he's a limited qb and always has been. He does nothing we couldn't have gotten Mineshew or Keenum or Brissett to do for practically nothing. He's worse than less expensive qb's like Mayfield, Darnold, Fields and Geno Smith. Get over it, tear the bandage off and let's move on.
Truth. Can't blame the OL now since the pass pro has been pretty good, so it's all on the receivers. Pay no attention to the woeful underthrows on deep passes!
Enough is enough. Jeez.
yes he has, but that used to be his strength so I think he will get that timing back as he plays more. Let's just give him some more time cause it's not like we have a better option anyway. This is the first time he's had a consistent oline in front of him and a #1 WR so lets see how he plays throughout the season.
What pisses me off about the Jones excuse makers is their willingness to shit on the other 52 guys on the roster to avoid criticizing Jones. They are also busting their ass to try and play well and win, and in most cases playing well enough to win. But then guys like Nabers are blamed for dropping a 4th down pass when he is getting crushed down after down running shallow crossing routes and curls because that is all our QB can throw.
The Oline and the WRs are playing better than Jones is right now. How about we stop blaming them for being unable to elevate a very limited player?
What pisses me off about the Jones excuse makers is their willingness to shit on the other 52 guys on the roster to avoid criticizing Jones. They are also busting their ass to try and play well and win, and in most cases playing well enough to win. But then guys like Nabers are blamed for dropping a 4th down pass when he is getting crushed down after down running shallow crossing routes and curls because that is all our QB can throw.
The Oline and the WRs are playing better than Jones is right now. How about we stop blaming them for being unable to elevate a very limited player?
"Daniel Jones cannot fail, he can only be failed."
Not saying you don't look to upgrade the position if you can, but taking Nabers this year was the right call.
I was a pretty eternal Jones optomist, but yeah. He's done.
That is a good point. Most of the frustration directed at Jones is mis-directed. It is the front office that is the problem. Jones is trying as hard as he can and you can't expect him to ask to be benched.
The front office has not only failed in upgrading the position, they have failed to try (all due respects to trying to get Drake Maye in 2024 by offering something that was never close to being a reality).
Not saying you don't look to upgrade the position if you can, but taking Nabers this year was the right call.
He’s 1&3. Glad he’s playing well we might be 0&4….thank you DJ
6 year veteran and I wake up every morning and thank God we have DJ as our QB.
But it's not "Mara money". It's the team's finite operating funds.
If it did come directly out of Mara's pockets and given to the player, fine.
But it doesn't. And I wish he never gotten a "Dime".
Yep.
Full. Bloom. Love.
But you know who else should have done better? St. Daniel Jones. How many times has he had WR's WIDE open downfield and hasn't been able to get the ball to them? Who is the guy who is 2-14 with a pick on passes thrown over 20 yards this season? Why isn't HE accountable in the way the OP wants to make Malik?
The same jokesters who claim that those who criticize Jones aren't true fans and should support their QB, have zero issue throwing other Giants under the bus in order to protect their patron saint. It happened with Evan Engram, and now it's happening with Nabers. So "supporting your players" somehow only equates with one player.
What about the last throw that hit Robinson in stride - right in the gut?
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...when he ignored a wide open Singletary who was right in front of him for an easy 1st down. Once again locking in on his primary and ignoring everything else.
What about the last throw that hit Robinson in stride - right in the gut?
Not sure what pass your talking about. The 3rd and 6 at 3:30 in the 4th? That play was before the Nabers pass through. Yeah Robinson should have caught it, but it wasn't "right in the gut" it was at his knees. He had to reach down for it, and considering he is 5'8" tops, that's saying something. Jones just doesn't make it easy for his guys to make these catches. Check the video:
Jones to Robinson - 4th quarter - ( New Window )
But you know who else should have done better? St. Daniel Jones. How many times has he had WR's WIDE open downfield and hasn't been able to get the ball to them? Who is the guy who is 2-14 with a pick on passes thrown over 20 yards this season? Why isn't HE accountable in the way the OP wants to make Malik?
The same jokesters who claim that those who criticize Jones aren't true fans and should support their QB, have zero issue throwing other Giants under the bus in order to protect their patron saint. It happened with Evan Engram, and now it's happening with Nabers. So "supporting your players" somehow only equates with one player.
I don't agree that Jones is not held accountable by whom? Hard Knocks proved the Giants were really interested in two quarterbacks in Daniels and May. If they held DJ unaccountable why would they try diligently to acquire the aforementioned QBs? DJ is what we have now and most likely gone by next season. I am sure even when Jones is gone the complaint would be they should have done it sooner. Presently, Lock and DeVito are at best the equal of Daniel Jones. If the powers that be really believe Jones is a lame duck quarterback sit his ass down now. Eliminate any injury settlement and pass the baton to either Lock or DeVito. If they are awful and we get to pick in the top three go get Schoen/Daboll's highest rated college qb. Thus the end of the Daniel Jones era will give us hope that the new kid will make us a relevent franchise once again.
I am a Jones supporter. I hope any Giant we draft/trade for will work out.
For those who attend the games at Metlife, we see more than those watching TV.
We see him holding the ball too long. We see open receivers where Jones doesn't.
He's not the guy for the job. Dave Gettleman was no genius. He did not see what every GM in the NFL saw, Daniel Jones was not a first round pick. let alone being #6.
Not a great decade to be a NY GIANTS fan.
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That sums it up very nicely.
But you know who else should have done better? St. Daniel Jones. How many times has he had WR's WIDE open downfield and hasn't been able to get the ball to them? Who is the guy who is 2-14 with a pick on passes thrown over 20 yards this season? Why isn't HE accountable in the way the OP wants to make Malik?
The same jokesters who claim that those who criticize Jones aren't true fans and should support their QB, have zero issue throwing other Giants under the bus in order to protect their patron saint. It happened with Evan Engram, and now it's happening with Nabers. So "supporting your players" somehow only equates with one player.
Without Nabers NYG is sitting at 0-4 today
With a different QB they might be 3-1
Not saying you don't look to upgrade the position if you can, but taking Nabers this year was the right call.
This!
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...when he ignored a wide open Singletary who was right in front of him for an easy 1st down. Once again locking in on his primary and ignoring everything else.
What about the last throw that hit Robinson in stride - right in the gut?
On the third down play?
That ball was in front of him and on a downward arc…. That is not an easy play when the WR is hunched over and Parsons had his arm just prior to the ball getting there… Was it catchable, yes. Was it easy, no.
Pretty sure it was Eric on Li who mentioned how none what the Giants offense does looks easy on another thread. This was specifically regarding the deep out to Slayton that was dropped. Ball should’ve been on Slayton’s back shoulder and he should've never had to leave his feet. Instead he had to dive back to the ball.
The easy first down on the last play to Nabers was Singletary just behind Nabers and in Jones field of view. No toe tap req’d but Jones just doesn’t see everybody and the throws he makes are never easy. Nothing looks simple in the execution.
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EVERYONE is held accountable except St. Daniel. Malik has busted his ass, been the BEST player by far, and is still a rookie adjusting to NFL speed and complexity. Sure, he should have caught those 2 passes late in games.
But you know who else should have done better? St. Daniel Jones. How many times has he had WR's WIDE open downfield and hasn't been able to get the ball to them? Who is the guy who is 2-14 with a pick on passes thrown over 20 yards this season? Why isn't HE accountable in the way the OP wants to make Malik?
The same jokesters who claim that those who criticize Jones aren't true fans and should support their QB, have zero issue throwing other Giants under the bus in order to protect their patron saint. It happened with Evan Engram, and now it's happening with Nabers. So "supporting your players" somehow only equates with one player.
I don't agree that Jones is not held accountable by whom? Hard Knocks proved the Giants were really interested in two quarterbacks in Daniels and May. If they held DJ unaccountable why would they try diligently to acquire the aforementioned QBs? DJ is what we have now and most likely gone by next season. I am sure even when Jones is gone the complaint would be they should have done it sooner. Presently, Lock and DeVito are at best the equal of Daniel Jones. If the powers that be really believe Jones is a lame duck quarterback sit his ass down now. Eliminate any injury settlement and pass the baton to either Lock or DeVito. If they are awful and we get to pick in the top three go get Schoen/Daboll's highest rated college qb. Thus the end of the Daniel Jones era will give us hope that the new kid will make us a relevent franchise once again.
I'm referring to posters here, the OP being a prime example.
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Jones is the reason the games were so close. He is reduced to a dink and dunk QB who cant complete deep or many intermediate throws. You can just as easily say if he throws a good ball on any of the deep throws we could have won both games. I get the loyalty and all but he is a good backup at best. Watch CJ Stroud or Daniels play. They are ballers who make her team significantly better. We have other areas to improve but QB is the weakest link.
CJ Stroud get his butt kicked by the Vikings even worse than Jones did. Odd timing to bring up his name. As for Daniels, its very early. I think he could stuggle once DC's get more film and he is forced to play in cold weather.
I will take strouds one bad game and the rest of his resume over anything Jones has ever done. His second year and Jones has been here how long. Jones sucks. I’ve been listening to the DJFC for several years. He doesn’t have a line, he doesn’t have a receiver blah blah blah. The guy now has time and a WR1 and he can throw it downfield. Next it will be the coach and the GM and so on. CJ is already way better than him and it’s not close. So yeah I thinks it’s a fine time to bring him up. Ironically the Vikings playoff game is the only accomplishment the DJFC has to defend him.
Never, ever Jone’s fault at. Always someone else’s.
Fucking pathetic at this point.
By 2085, he might be in 'Can DJ make the Pro Bowl?' talk around Week 7 before he sucks the rest of the year.
WRs get killed for drops because the only way the QB can function is throwing 5 yard passes.
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...when he ignored a wide open Singletary who was right in front of him for an easy 1st down. Once again locking in on his primary and ignoring everything else.
What about the last throw that hit Robinson in stride - right in the gut?
Drops happen. There's one guy a year that might have just a handful of drops. If your offense goes to shit on two dropped passes, then you have a larger problem, which we already are aware of: cant hit explosive plays.
WRs will never be perfect.
Can't let Offensive Scoring be so barren that one play (drop) puts you on the edge every game.
Drew Lock sucks, DeVito sucks, so we just have to deal with what we have.
Drew Lock sucks, DeVito sucks, so we just have to deal with what we have.
"He won us a playoff game...", Case Keenum won a playoff game too, why in the world did Minny ever let him go?
The point is that if you're going to blame Malik for drops, you also have to factor in Jones badly missing throws, and, not for nothing, how many times Nabers saved Jones's ass by making catches few other WR's could make. Like his TD catch v CLE.
Thats true. In college.
At this level, the QB needs to be putting receivers in situations where they can make plays. That means on time throws to guys before the defense closes it down Thats not jones. He's doing average work.
Drew Lock sucks, DeVito sucks, so we just have to deal with what we have.
He won a playoff game in a season when he rushed for 700 yards and that contributed a lot to the teams offensive identiity. In said playoff game he had 15 rushes for 75 yards or so if memory serves. That aspect of his game is gone.
Drew Lock sucks, DeVito sucks, so we just have to deal with what we have.
You remain an obtuse know nothing.