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Big Tom : 9/30/2024 10:06 am
take Jones to an eye doctor,and have his depth perception checked..After two neck injuries and quite a few head hits being a QB and all there could be a problem there.That doesn't mean not to draft a QB next year,but corrective lenses could help him compete at 100% health at least for 2024.I know there are quite a few players that play with corrective lenses,so why not have him checked out??
Is this  
BigBlueinDE : 9/30/2024 10:06 am : link
satire?
RE: Is this  
Mike from Ohio : 9/30/2024 10:10 am : link
In comment 16631174 BigBlueinDE said:
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satire?


September 2024. Likely a ophthalmologist looking for business.
You do understand that the Giants  
BillT : 9/30/2024 10:15 am : link
Have an entire medical and training staff that includes a dozen doctors and another dozen or so trainers. You think an eye exam is something they’ve overlooked.
Maybe the Giant scouts  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/30/2024 10:28 am : link
should have their eyes examined!
I think the problems run a lot deeper  
56goat : 9/30/2024 10:34 am : link
that corrective lenses.
If he breaks out  
Dankbeerman : 9/30/2024 10:38 am : link
The Ricky Vaughn glasses in Seattle your on to something
RE: You do understand that the Giants  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16631200 BillT said:
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Have an entire medical and training staff that includes a dozen doctors and another dozen or so trainers. You think an eye exam is something they’ve overlooked.
You do understand they had a player legally blind in one eye they didn't notice for a year and a half, yes?

You're familiar with their medical procedures and whether or not they test for depth perception, are you?
RE: Is this  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16631174 BigBlueinDE said:
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satire?
Satire is pretending a cockeyed man isn't cockeyed. That's what's comical. Or maybe you want to claim he isn't cock-eyed? Is that your position? or is it that being cock-eyed has zero effect on vision?
RE: I think the problems run a lot deeper  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16631264 56goat said:
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that corrective lenses.
Determining if he has depth perception issues due to strabismus would be a good start.
BillT assumed and you know what can happen...  
ConsistentGiantFan : 9/30/2024 12:05 pm : link
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RE: Is this  
Route 9 : 9/30/2024 12:05 pm : link
In comment 16631174 BigBlueinDE said:
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satire?


Is keeping Daniel Jones a starting QB for this long satire?
It's kind of funny  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 12:10 pm : link
No none wants to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. The real question is why.

It's clear he has Strabismus. It's clear it can cause depth perception and vision processing issues. This is a medial fact and any research at all supports this. It's clear everyone and his brother says he has processing issues, particularly when it comes to throwing deep balls. Even his worst detractors will not examine this issue, and no one will discuss it.

Why?

One guy tires it and gets flamed.

Why?

On what grounds exactly, is this satire, or ridiculous, or an impossibility. \

Not the first time this team has drafted people with SEVERE vision issues and not noticed it, either. What is so funny about it?
RE: You do understand that the Giants  
Big Tom : 9/30/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16631200 BillT said:
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Have an entire medical and training staff that includes a dozen doctors and another dozen or so trainers. You think an eye exam is something they’ve overlooked.

Do you know if they do depth perception?
You cannot get a aircraft flying license if you have bad depth perception..

RE: It's kind of funny  
Mike from Ohio : 9/30/2024 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16631470 Red Right Hand said:
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No none wants to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. The real question is why.

It's clear he has Strabismus. It's clear it can cause depth perception and vision processing issues. This is a medial fact and any research at all supports this. It's clear everyone and his brother says he has processing issues, particularly when it comes to throwing deep balls. Even his worst detractors will not examine this issue, and no one will discuss it.

Why?

One guy tires it and gets flamed.

Why?

On what grounds exactly, is this satire, or ridiculous, or an impossibility. \

Not the first time this team has drafted people with SEVERE vision issues and not noticed it, either. What is so funny about it?


And here all of these "expert" medical people say you can't medically diagnose someone on TV.

Oh wait, you can, but "nobody will talk about it."

Who do you think is behind this? The Illiuminati???

Have I said too much? Am I in danger?
Even if there is a vision problem, I’m sure the solution is more  
Ivan15 : 9/30/2024 1:07 pm : link
Complicated than contact lenses.
RE: RE: It's kind of funny  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 1:13 pm : link
In comment 16631547 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16631470 Red Right Hand said:


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No none wants to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. The real question is why.

It's clear he has Strabismus. It's clear it can cause depth perception and vision processing issues. This is a medial fact and any research at all supports this. It's clear everyone and his brother says he has processing issues, particularly when it comes to throwing deep balls. Even his worst detractors will not examine this issue, and no one will discuss it.

Why?

One guy tires it and gets flamed.

Why?

On what grounds exactly, is this satire, or ridiculous, or an impossibility. \

Not the first time this team has drafted people with SEVERE vision issues and not noticed it, either. What is so funny about it?



And here all of these "expert" medical people say you can't medically diagnose someone on TV.

Oh wait, you can, but "nobody will talk about it."

Who do you think is behind this? The Illiuminati???

Have I said too much? Am I in danger?
To mbe clear, you are saying you've seen daniel Jonews, in press conferences, on TV, and haven't noticed he's fucking cockeyd? Is that what you are saying?

He's cock=eyed or he isn't. Are you saying he's not?

Or are you saying that fs you see a cock-eyed dude, you still need a doctor to confirm to you that's what you are seeing? I guess he's not the only one who's cockeyed...
Yesterday someone suggested Jones see....  
MOOPS : 9/30/2024 1:26 pm : link
an Orthopedist. Today it's an Opthalmologist.

I think he should actually see a Urologist because his deep throws have been piss poor.
For the record  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 1:43 pm : link
I pointed out he was fuckin' cockeyed the day he was drafted.
This is a mystery somehow? Or you never noticed?

Are cock-eyed people the new protected class? Is it uncouth to notice? Bad manners? Is it a bannable offense?

He's cockeyed, everyone KNOWS he's cockeyed, everyone can SEE he's cock-eyed, and everyone pretends not to notice.
Fucking wild...
RE: For the record  
Mike from Ohio : 9/30/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16631652 Red Right Hand said:
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I pointed out he was fuckin' cockeyed the day he was drafted.
This is a mystery somehow? Or you never noticed?

Are cock-eyed people the new protected class? Is it uncouth to notice? Bad manners? Is it a bannable offense?

He's cockeyed, everyone KNOWS he's cockeyed, everyone can SEE he's cock-eyed, and everyone pretends not to notice.
Fucking wild...


It is really difficult to take you seriously in this thread.

Do you really think the entire scouting process across the NFL did not pick up on a crippling physical deficiency for a QB that you picked up on TV?

You may need to consider the distinct possibility that you're just posting nonsense.
And while they are there  
thrunthrublue : 9/30/2024 3:07 pm : link
check for color blindness since he throws a lot to the wrong color jerseys.
Exclusive first look at Jones with new glasses  
uther99 : 9/30/2024 3:13 pm : link

RE: Maybe the Giant scouts  
Bingo : 9/30/2024 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16631244 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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should have their eyes examined!


LOL
RE: RE: For the record  
Red Right Hand : 9/30/2024 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16631770 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16631652 Red Right Hand said:


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I pointed out he was fuckin' cockeyed the day he was drafted.
This is a mystery somehow? Or you never noticed?

Are cock-eyed people the new protected class? Is it uncouth to notice? Bad manners? Is it a bannable offense?

He's cockeyed, everyone KNOWS he's cockeyed, everyone can SEE he's cock-eyed, and everyone pretends not to notice.
Fucking wild...



It is really difficult to take you seriously in this thread.

Do you really think the entire scouting process across the NFL did not pick up on a crippling physical deficiency for a QB that you picked up on TV?

You may need to consider the distinct possibility that you're just posting nonsense.
Hey mike, you are thick as a brick. and gutless to boot. Is he cock-eyed or not, yes or no. I already made the point we, and the rest of your NFP certified staff already cleared a man blind in one eye to play and no one noticed. or are you gonna ignore that. You ask a question that I have already CLEARLY stated the answer to. Not only do I think it, I KNOW IT. he is COCKEYED. DO YOU DENY IT? Or do you need someone to tell you what you are seeing. for my part I have the courage of my convictions. You. not so much. You don't have the goolies to say one way or the other whether he is or isn't, because you know as soon as you say he isn't you are gonna look like an idiot, Cause everyone can see he is, and if you say he is, well, you're afraid you'll get cancelled. So you try ans shame me into not noticing, but meanwhile you are content to slag the guy all day long day after day. tough guy you are. Now go tell me all about the NFLs depth perception test your so sure they give for strabismus.

Tell me he's not cock-eyed. Go ahead. Then tell me how strabismus has no effect of vision or depth perception. Go ahead tough guy.
Red Right Hand  
Mike from Ohio : 9/30/2024 4:46 pm : link
You are right. I am ashamed to admit this, but I am too afraid to have the courage of my convictions. Yes, me any my NFP (non-farm payroll?) have an agenda to protect the NFL's Scouting-Industrial Complex from their willing blindness to cock-eyedness.

For years I have dreamt of having the strength to come forward and call out the cock-eyedness of Daniel Jones. OH, Red Right Hand, how I have dreamed of having that courage. But me and my sight-denying brethren are forced into the shadows. We are sorry little puppet masters, pulling the strings to hide the creeping danger of truth when it comes to calling out those with cock-eyedness.

I come on this site everyday and say Daniel Jones is not a good QB because he can't read a defense or make a quick decision...but we all know the truth. I am simply making excuses to try and continue hiding the truth...the truth that lives in the silence of the masses...that Daniel Jones is one cock-eyed mother fucker who can't see the linemen in front of him.

Please do not shame me any longer. I yield to your power and truth!!! Tell the world what you have seen here today!!! Never yield and never relent!!!

It is time to call out cock-eyedness everywhere it exists, and expose those who continue to pretend it is not ruining our football (if not our society).

Go forth, my brave warrior!!! If Daniel Jones' eyes do offend thee, then pluck them out and cast them aside!!!
Maybe they should also check if he is color blind..  
kelsto811 : 9/30/2024 4:51 pm : link
Anyone have a way to see his numbers vs teams wearing red vs teams not wearing red? He always seems to do well against the skins, bucs, cardinals? - lol, yes I am mostly kidding
RE: RE: Is this  
santacruzom : 9/30/2024 5:45 pm : link
In comment 16631459 Route 9 said:
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In comment 16631174 BigBlueinDE said:


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satire?



Is keeping Daniel Jones a starting QB for this long satire?


Well played.
damn, he actually might  
santacruzom : 9/30/2024 5:49 pm : link
have strabismus.

RE: Maybe the Giant scouts  
BMac : 9/30/2024 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16631244 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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should have their eyes examined!


Heads!
RE: RE: You do understand that the Giants  
BMac : 9/30/2024 5:51 pm : link
In comment 16631448 Red Right Hand said:
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In comment 16631200 BillT said:


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Have an entire medical and training staff that includes a dozen doctors and another dozen or so trainers. You think an eye exam is something they’ve overlooked.

You do understand they had a player legally blind in one eye they didn't notice for a year and a half, yes?

You're familiar with their medical procedures and whether or not they test for depth perception, are you?


Not even close to being true. You do understand that, yes?
RE: For the record  
BMac : 9/30/2024 5:56 pm : link
In comment 16631652 Red Right Hand said:
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I pointed out he was fuckin' cockeyed the day he was drafted.
This is a mystery somehow? Or you never noticed?

Are cock-eyed people the new protected class? Is it uncouth to notice? Bad manners? Is it a bannable offense?

He's cockeyed, everyone KNOWS he's cockeyed, everyone can SEE he's cock-eyed, and everyone pretends not to notice.
Fucking wild...


I don't think you should be dissing him for your assumptions about his sexuality.
Ok. Let me try and understand this  
BillT : 9/30/2024 9:56 pm : link
The Giants employ athletes whose physical abilities are the reason they are employed. Their speed, strength, coordination, reflexes, sight, hearing are the elements of those physical abilities. Yet, you say he has an obvious physical defect that you are sure he has though, I gather, you’ve never been in the same room with him. And the Giants, and everyone else as you say, is in complete denial of this. And they put their players through extensive physicals with doctors who work at one of the top hospitals in the country and the trading staff as well but no one has noticed except you. (Oh, and everyone else who’s hiding it for some reason) If you say so.
wow  
4xchamps : 9/30/2024 10:24 pm : link
This place is insane...
I’ve read many goofy posts and comments  
chiro56 : 9/30/2024 11:38 pm : link
On here for years. Some have me pissing my pants with laughter. This conversation is right up there with the piss in my pants laughing. Thanks for ending my day on a high note.
RE: Red Right Hand  
Red Right Hand : 10/1/2024 5:40 am : link
In comment 16631996 Mike from Ohio said:
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You are right. I am ashamed to admit this, but I am too afraid to have the courage of my convictions. Yes, me any my NFP (non-farm payroll?) have an agenda to protect the NFL's Scouting-Industrial Complex from their willing blindness to cock-eyedness.

For years I have dreamt of having the strength to come forward and call out the cock-eyedness of Daniel Jones. OH, Red Right Hand, how I have dreamed of having that courage. But me and my sight-denying brethren are forced into the shadows. We are sorry little puppet masters, pulling the strings to hide the creeping danger of truth when it comes to calling out those with cock-eyedness.

I come on this site everyday and say Daniel Jones is not a good QB because he can't read a defense or make a quick decision...but we all know the truth. I am simply making excuses to try and continue hiding the truth...the truth that lives in the silence of the masses...that Daniel Jones is one cock-eyed mother fucker who can't see the linemen in front of him.

Please do not shame me any longer. I yield to your power and truth!!! Tell the world what you have seen here today!!! Never yield and never relent!!!

It is time to call out cock-eyedness everywhere it exists, and expose those who continue to pretend it is not ruining our football (if not our society).

Go forth, my brave warrior!!! If Daniel Jones' eyes do offend thee, then pluck them out and cast them aside!!!
whole lot of gutless bullshit and you still dont have the nerve to say whether you think he is cross eyed, or not. Simple question dude, no need to get all twisted over it. And you still won't answer, so piss off.
RE: damn, he actually might  
Red Right Hand : 10/1/2024 5:45 am : link
In comment 16632090 santacruzom said:
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have strabismus.

and there's a thousand other pictures like that, some worse, some not noticeable. sometimes it's intermittent. they have a name for that too. Name also depends on whether the bad eye is turned uom down, in , or out, and whether it is persistent or intermittent. for a total of 8 different types of strabismus. He's got it turned in, and it's intermittent.
RE: Ok. Let me try and understand this  
Red Right Hand : 10/1/2024 5:54 am : link
In comment 16632335 BillT said:
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The Giants employ athletes whose physical abilities are the reason they are employed. Their speed, strength, coordination, reflexes, sight, hearing are the elements of those physical abilities. Yet, you say he has an obvious physical defect that you are sure he has though, I gather, you’ve never been in the same room with him. And the Giants, and everyone else as you say, is in complete denial of this. And they put their players through extensive physicals with doctors who work at one of the top hospitals in the country and the trading staff as well but no one has noticed except you. (Oh, and everyone else who’s hiding it for some reason) If you say so.
Bunch of hooey. edric Jones was legally blind in one eye and no one noticed it for a couple of years so your theory is out the window. You are a guy i respect so i'm not gonna smart ass you, but , man, you have to acknowledge that THIS organizarion HAS overlooked way worse vision issues than strabismus. That's either a true staement, or it isn't, sir, and the act is it's true. You can't deny it and pretend it's some sort of impossibility because they are so professional and so thorough, when they fact recent history shows they aren't, end SPECIFFICALLY when it comes to vision.

I love how everyomne loves to shit all over the medical staff and trainers, until someone points something out they ACTUALLY fucked up, and then it can't be discussed.

Agasin though, i ask you, a simple question. Is he cross eyed, or not. A simple yes or no will do. It seems to be an impossible question for so very many., and one can't help but wonder why. Just say he isn't cock-eyed if you think he isn't. Because if you do there are a thousand photos and video clips that show that he is. Nothing wrong with my vision, and it's clear as day. I doubt even Jones would claim he isn't.
And the med staff not picking up on it is exactly the kind of mistake  
Red Right Hand : 10/1/2024 6:03 am : link
This organization would make, just like they did with Cedric legally blind in one eye Jones, or do you not want to talk about that either???? We'll just pretend that didn't happen because it's inconvenient? Doesn't support your narrative? Seriously, how can you not see he is cross eyed? he either is or he isn't. If he isn't why is he in so many photos, why have I noticed it since he was drafted?

Is your claim that he isn't cross eyed, or that being cross eyed cannot affect your depth perception. I've made it clear what I'm saying, i don't see anyone saying anything other than it's ridiculous because suddenly the med staff that gets trashed daily is suddenly a sacred cow? Bullshit, I says.
RRH  
BillT : 10/1/2024 7:51 am : link
I thought you might be referring to Cedric Jones. That was 28 years ago. And from what I remember, though they did miss that in the draft analysis, it was discovered by the team soon after he got here. And the kind of analyses done nowadays is night and day different than what it was 28 years ago.

However, we’re not even talking about what they knew or didn’t when DJ was drafted. We’re talking about what they know now after being on the team for 6 years. Even if you’re right about this the idea that they don’t know now or know and have ignored it is just not reasonable.

And so speaking of the draft, below I posted a link to the details of the NFL combine medical exam which specifically mentions vision testing. There are other articles as well that talk about the detail these exams include. These exams make your yearly check up look somewhat cursory.

So, like I said before, the idea that a serious vision issue could exist in DJ and be missed starting with the draft process and continue for a half dozen years doesn’t, to me, seem possible.
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An old SNL skit comes to mind  
ThomasG : 10/1/2024 11:42 am : link

RE: RRH  
Red Right Hand : 10/1/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16632452 BillT said:
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I thought you might be referring to Cedric Jones. That was 28 years ago. And from what I remember, though they did miss that in the draft analysis, it was discovered by the team soon after he got here. And the kind of analyses done nowadays is night and day different than what it was 28 years ago.

However, we’re not even talking about what they knew or didn’t when DJ was drafted. We’re talking about what they know now after being on the team for 6 years. Even if you’re right about this the idea that they don’t know now or know and have ignored it is just not reasonable.

And so speaking of the draft, below I posted a link to the details of the NFL combine medical exam which specifically mentions vision testing. There are other articles as well that talk about the detail these exams include. These exams make your yearly check up look somewhat cursory.

So, like I said before, the idea that a serious vision issue could exist in DJ and be missed starting with the draft process and continue for a half dozen years doesn’t, to me, seem possible. Link - ( New Window )
You dragged this down the rabbit hole of what the team knows and when it knows it. I made a fairly sdimple assertion that neither you, nor anyone else will resapond to. You still won't > I mad eno point about the organization, it's staff or it's competence until i basically got trolled into it. I said simply he's cockeyed. This devolved into " Let me get this straight, you're saying the giants organization doesn't know what it's doing" > wasn't really what I said, was what I wound up saying trying to make the point he's cockeyed. And cedricc ZJones issues were not discovered " shortly after he got here". He was here a good while, but again, I am gertting sidetracked.

I will acknowledge you are smarter than me, because throughout the entirety of this you have successfullt managed to avoid the one simple question I asked, and I have no doubt you, nor anyone else, will answer, which at this point is far more fascinitating, and that is, do you or do you not think he is cock-eyed. Why won't you just say yes or no? I know why, but you still won't say. I may look like a schmuck, but between you and me, long term you damage your credibility, as least as far as I am concerned. For all I know the Giants know he's cockeyed and drafted him anyway. How would I know what their tests or results show? I have no clue. What I know is that he is cockeyed. I should never have let myself get sucked into an argument about the giants staff and what they say or Know, and for the record, you don't know either. I am sure every year there are tons of athletes who enter the NFL with previous health or medical issues. Just about every athlete in the NL has long term issues in some fform or another.

I make no claims about what the giants know or don't< so don't ask me about their practices and procedures. You want to say the Giants accepted him as is so that's ffine with you, what's cool, but you still never answered the question, which is whether or not you think he is cross eyed, or has strabismus. Likewise I note for all the ridicule, no one else has said one way or the other simply that it's a ridiculous concept, which, I find hard to accept staring at all his cross eyed photos and video clips, so, what's really going on here?

I'll add that i have asked personal friends and relatives, and get the same reaction. They see the photos, they see the clips, but they won't admit what they see, nor will they deny it. They say it's ridiculous, then resort to irritating, but NO ONE will admit that he is, or come right out and deny that he is either, especially after they look at 50 photos or so and more than a few clips.

I'll say it. he's cross eyed, cock-eyed, has strabismus, whatever you want to call it, and I don't see how you can credibly say he isn't. Bravo for suckering me into an argument about the Giants staff though, nice move.

Do you think he's cross eyed, or not?
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