Nick Falato
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The #Giants currently rank dead last in the NFL in yards per carry. They average just 3.4 YPC through four weeks.
Their only successful rushing game was Week 2 at Washington. |
in 2022 as a team they were 5th best at 4.8 yards per carry and had 4th most rushing TDs with 20 despite the worse OL.
they had 150 rushing 1st downs so they averaged almost 10 per game, so far this year they only have 21 which so about half that number. both barkley and jones were among the top 10 in rushing first downs that year from individual players.
amazingly they dont even have that many more passing first downs this year - they had 170 in 2022 so exactly 10 per game, this year they have 44 so 11 per game.
so essentially they strategically sacrificed what was the most productive feature of their 1 successful season and with a QB coming off a torn ACL increased the degree of difficulty for the whole offense.
nabers has obviously been spectacular but if their entire strategic plan was force feeding a rookie with the most targets ever while praying he has the stamina/durability to handle that many hits, that doesnt seem like such a good plan.
because id imagine going into this season the plan was to succeed like 2022 and not embarrass themselves like 2023?
a) no one cares about Singltary who is on his 3rd team in 3 years for a reason.
b) Jones scares no one with his passing; teams are free to crowd the LOS. The Jonesians here do not understand that interplay between the passing game and the run game
c) Runyan is not a good run blocker. He is here for his pass blocking. Van Roten is on his 7th team in his career and that is not counting a year in the CFL. He's only in there due to the failure of the draft picks to take over the RT position.
Well, they could have done both. I’m not advocating that it should have happened, but it could have.
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And why is 2022 being pointed to like a success story? That offense stunk too.
It's been 3 years of lousy football, with the first being fairly propped up by luck and the NFL's parity structure.
The whole operation is a mess.
they didnt need to not sign Elumeanor. singletary and barkley have the same cap hits this year, so technically if they just did the same contract philly did they didn't need to do anything differently.
So what's the point?
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And why is 2022 being pointed to like a success story? That offense stunk too.
It's been 3 years of lousy football, with the first being fairly propped up by luck and the NFL's parity structure.
The whole operation is a mess.
you can't pick and choose when to apply the 'you are what your record is' principle.
yes the league is full of parity. goes without saying. nobody is saying they deserve a medal for 2022, it was in many ways the bare minimum of what should be expected any season - competitiveness in every game, win more than you lose even if only by 1.
the goal should obviously always be progress which 2 years later should clearly be improvement on 2022, especially if it was as low of a bar as everyone seems to think it is. they have had 2 chances to improve on 2022 in whatever ways they saw fit and havent.
So what's the point?
who gives a shit whether it was smoke and mirrors or not? they have now had 2 separate seasons to adapt an offense better than smoke/mirrors and haven't. that's the point.
the worse you think the 2022 offense the easier it should have been to field something better right?
This organization is not honest with itself.
This organization is not honest with itself.
how many starting players from the 2022 offense remain? 3? and one of them is Andrew Thomas. not sure how we wouldn't call that a rebuild.
so as usual your gripe is with QB where the actual alternatives were mostly nibbling around margins. they couldnt get up for Daniels (or Stroud) and tried to move up for Maye. even if they could have added either what confidence do we have that any of them would have succeeded here anyway? remember the 2024 guys wouldn't have nabers.
The worst part about all of this is that the owner likely thinks along these lines as well.
which qb would you have chosen in either the 2023 or 2024 offseasons that has this team in a different position today?
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Teams caught on to what the Giants were doing and it stopped being effective in the second half. It was scheming around a weak QB, and it was also reliant on Jones running for 700 yards at a 6 ypc clip, something he'll never do again.
So what's the point?
who gives a shit whether it was smoke and mirrors or not? they have now had 2 separate seasons to adapt an offense better than smoke/mirrors and haven't. that's the point.
the worse you think the 2022 offense the easier it should have been to field something better right?
Pointing out that it was smoke and mirrors is saying that it wasn't replicable. Many fans, and apparently the FO, thought it would be easy to return to the heights of 2022, but it was never realistic because it was...smoke and mirrors...
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And, shockingly enough, that hasn't paid off despite a better OL and a gifted young star receiver
which qb would you have chosen in either the 2023 or 2024 offseasons that has this team in a different position today?
I don't think that is the point. The point is even if we drafted JJM and were in the same position, we could believe we are investing in the future and look to better times ahead. DJ is a dead end, he isn't getting any better
The goal of an offense is to create points. Pushing the ball down the field to score points was the goal this year. Despite better Oline blocking and the addition of a budding superstar WR, it isn't happening.
The goal was not to have the highest average YPC we could - duplicating an offense that didn't score enough points. It was to improve the offense. That isn't happening.
a) no one cares about Singltary who is on his 3rd team in 3 years for a reason.
b) Jones scares no one with his passing; teams are free to crowd the LOS. The Jonesians here do not understand that interplay between the passing game and the run game
c) Runyan is not a good run blocker. He is here for his pass blocking. Van Roten is on his 7th team in his career and that is not counting a year in the CFL. He's only in there due to the failure of the draft picks to take over the RT position.
To expand on that, for those who are now complaining about the running game, Runyan, Eluemunor, Van Roten and I think even Stinnie came as stronger in the passing game than in the run game. If they were strong at both, Giants would not have gotten them for the contracts they did. This line will better with the run when Neal replaces Van Roten next season.
The running back position is more important even in this new era passing age then most realize.
49ers and Eagles have high end talent ay all these positions and still find the money. So that's Schoen's job.
Pointing out that it was smoke and mirrors is saying that it wasn't replicable. Many fans, and apparently the FO, thought it would be easy to return to the heights of 2022, but it was never realistic because it was...smoke and mirrors...
they have replaced 8 of the 11 starters from 2022. i dont think they were obtuse to the need to improve post-2022, the problem is that they failed to do so not that they didnt try.
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And, shockingly enough, that hasn't paid off despite a better OL and a gifted young star receiver
which qb would you have chosen in either the 2023 or 2024 offseasons that has this team in a different position today?
I don't think that is the point. The point is even if we drafted JJM and were in the same position, we could believe we are investing in the future and look to better times ahead. DJ is a dead end, he isn't getting any better
i was all for JJM, but tell me what you think this offense looks like today with him (healthy), the dead last running game, and no nabers?
having a young qb may have been a fig leaf of hope but practically speaking it wouldnt have made the ytd failures of this offense elsewhere any better.
Can't wait to hear this is why Jones is struggling.
The worst part about all of this is that the owner likely thinks along these lines as well.
you know what other owner's team thinks along these lines? the one that used derrick henry to beat the bills to a pulp yesterday with just 19 passing attempts and 156 passing yards.
The goal of an offense is to create points. Pushing the ball down the field to score points was the goal this year. Despite better Oline blocking and the addition of a budding superstar WR, it isn't happening.
The goal was not to have the highest average YPC we could - duplicating an offense that didn't score enough points. It was to improve the offense. That isn't happening.
generally speaking do you think having a better running game with all the same personnel otherwise would have help open up any passing game?
my problem with this offense right now is they are basically just force feeding nabers. that is no knock on the reality that nabers is the best thing on the offense by far, but it's not sustainable.
even if the running game isnt the focus, the passing game needs to be more diverse than just nabers. they have gotten nothing out of their tight ends and nothing out of their 3rd WR. hard to be a high volume passing attacked funneled to just 2 guys.
The running back position is more important even in this new era passing age then most realize.
good point. I think a lot of ppl are missing this. defense has countered the wide open passing game with the proliferation of this shell coverage. It's all about preventing explosive plays (attempts are down 30% ish across the NFL) , then playing good red zone/ situaltional D. It is at the expense of the short passing game and running which is essentially being conceded. Scoring is down, passing yds, explosives etc. It's been trending this way for a cpl years but it is very evident this year.
I do think the running game will get sorted. I think this OL needs an identity - instead of trying to use all run schemes get really good at 1. Tracey is getting more integrated. I don't think Neal will play until there is an injury (nor should he) hopefully this time has been a benefit.
Because 2022 fits his narrative
he actually got $500k less guaranteed than they gave singletary.
Even the 2nd rounder JMS was not considered a glowing prospect from a physical standpoint. Van Roten struggles to survive in the League as a journeyman who plays multiple positions poorly.
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Because 2022 fits his narrative
they have not been able to run the ball at all this year. that's not a narrative it's reality.
forget barkley, forget 2022. does it seem like a good decision to have guaranteed singletary more $ than derrick henry got?
No, having a QB who can connect on a pass more than 15 yards downfield is what would open up the passing game, and make it easier to run as well.
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generally speaking do you think having a better running game with all the same personnel otherwise would have help open up any passing game?
No, having a QB who can connect on a pass more than 15 yards downfield is what would open up the passing game, and make it easier to run as well.
assuming you have that QB is it better for them to also have a running game or not?
do the ravens look better with derrick henry or not?
this is such a fundamentally obvious thing. one can hold these 2 thoughts in their head at the same time - running the football isnt as important as passing but having the ability to do it is better than not.
The running back position is more important even in this new era passing age then most realize.