Curious of what games we win with better qb play? Vikings whooped us and everyone else so far. Commanders we didn't have a kicker or a defense that got off the field and fumble by Singletary, The Browns we won, Dallas we couldn't run the ball and we missed some deep passes.
We can argue the Dallas game is the one. Relying on hitting 50 yard bombs every week is not sustainable. Jones is absolutely a replaceable at his position, but he is also a scapegoat.
They wouldve had better luck in the vikings game with no qb at all. Jones was putrid and the reason they lost. There's no reason to wave past that. Its an easy argument to make that they'd be 2-2 or 3-1 if they score touchdowns.
RE: RE: Everybody else should be perfect besides Daniel.
Daniel can only be expected to play well when everyone else is perfect. It's unfair to him otherwise.
Jones did not play perfect .... no one did ... Even the coaches had some blunders. But the loss is on Jones ... that makes zero sense when being logical and unbiased.
See, it's how you frame the words that make all the difference. I said he didn't lose the game for the Gisnts BUY his inability to make the throws that lead to points is why we didn't win. I think too many people are now entrenched in being opposite of others statements. I am NOT accusing Jones of losing the game, but he didn't do the things need to get a victory.
Think of it more as doing a job and doing it well. Jones did a job good enough to lead to 15 points and only 1 late desperate throw turnover. But, none of his play was remarkable and some was borderline acceptable..
Again, regarding the name, suggestions are welcome but there are trademark concerns. I'm not sure how other podcasts have gotten around that, but I haven't in the past. "Giants" is a trademark.
Years ago, in our original podcast, we had on reporters who covered other teams as previews. That's something we can do again, but right now, that seems kind of empty to me. If the Giants were competitive, I think fans would like to hear from someone who covers the Seahawks. But now? Do you guys really want to hear that? We don't have a QB. The outcome is kind of predictable.
"highlight players or positions or prospects to talk about. You have something to say." Not sure what you mean here. The bulk of our podcasts are spent talking about players. The one linked above talks about prospects.
You are obviously doing the work, the content is really top, so who am I about content...
About names, BigBlueInteractive itself is pretty good, and plays directly to BigBlueInteractive.com. I wonder how talkin giants does it ... there is the term Giants, the logo is a knockoff, they have merch and >30K subscriptions. Fireside Giants has 22K subscribers. It takes time to build a subscription base and I think that will come with you guys, but it seems you may have been singled out on the infringement side of things...
Best to you and John...I'll keep listening and hitting the like button...
RE: John is great on these despite what a poster said.
John, that Jones rant was spot on. But the cursing...I had the daughter in the car while listening to it.
Thankfully, she's spent enough time in the man cave with me watching the Giants, Knicks, & ND football that she's heard the 'F' word a couple of times, at a minimum. Haha.
John, that Jones rant was spot on. But the cursing...I had the daughter in the car while listening to it.
Thankfully, she's spent enough time in the man cave with me watching the Giants, Knicks, & ND football that she's heard the 'F' word a couple of times, at a minimum. Haha.
Great pod.
Sorry, I put the warning sign on but yeah, I should have added beeps..
John, that Jones rant was spot on. But the cursing...I had the daughter in the car while listening to it.
Thankfully, she's spent enough time in the man cave with me watching the Giants, Knicks, & ND football that she's heard the 'F' word a couple of times, at a minimum. Haha.
Great pod.
Sorry, I put the warning sign on but yeah, I should have added beeps..
Thanks John, agree with the rant. It is what a lot of us have been saying about DJ, DJFC keeps saying he's playing well, he's completing 80% of his passes, blah, blah, blah. The eyes don't lie.
They are to the DJFC what Captain Edward Smith was to the Titanic.
Ok, I laughed out loud..
It's like a great many Giants fans are living in Westview, New Jersey with Daniel "the scarlet witch" Jones.. no matter the season, no matter the circumstances we have reasons he is good, not at fault and deserves another chance... Break the HEX Giants fans, see through the have and see the truth!!!
What a great episode. You guys are the best! Particularly loved John’s Jones rant. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Of course the DJFC aren’t bright enough to let that all soak in, or they refuse to, but either way you two speak for the people. Outstanding job!
What a great episode. You guys are the best! Particularly loved John’s Jones rant. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Of course the DJFC aren’t bright enough to let that all soak in, or they refuse to, but either way you two speak for the people. Outstanding job!
My wife is a lot like Eric's when I talk Daniel Jones. My wife knows he suck, but she's always saying...'Why do they keep playing him? Why don't they draft somewhere? Or sign someoe?' I really have no good response.
What a great episode. You guys are the best! Particularly loved John’s Jones rant. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Of course the DJFC aren’t bright enough to let that all soak in, or they refuse to, but either way you two speak for the people. Outstanding job!
My wife is a lot like Eric's when I talk Daniel Jones. My wife knows he suck, but she's always saying...'Why do they keep playing him? Why don't they draft somewhere? Or sign someoe?' I really have no good response.
My wife & daughter both know how much I want Jones gone. The wife thinks he's a good looking dude, which he is. Haha. But he's a bad QB. She knows that too.
As I've told my wife multiple times, I got that bottle of Scotch ready to be open when he's finally no longer a Giant. That'll go down smooth.
Daniel Jones has balled out in 3 out 4 games this season. LMAO. You can’t be fucking serious with that shit. Some people clearly don’t know what they are watching.
Daniel Jones has balled out in 3 out 4 games this season. LMAO. You can’t be fucking serious with that shit. Some people clearly don’t know what they are watching.
People are either delusional or do not watch other NFL games.
Daniel Jones has balled out in 3 out 4 games this season. LMAO. You can’t be fucking serious with that shit. Some people clearly don’t know what they are watching.
Daniel Jones has balled out in 3 out 4 games this season. LMAO. You can’t be fucking serious with that shit. Some people clearly don’t know what they are watching.
"Balled out" =the ball left his hands vigorously
That's all it could mean.
If 15pts per game is balled out then we are watching two completely different sports.
I saw a video shared on Facebook by a Giants fan basically showing passes dropped and saying tell me again why this is Jones's fault. But, a lot of those passes are poorly thrown. The deep pass to Slayton when he goes down low isn't a good pass at all. I would even dare say Jones wasn't even intentionally throwing the ball low it's just how it arrived. You make a somewhat lower % pass far tougher to complete by throwing it shorter and lower. In fact it is somewhat similar to the pass ti Hyatt against the Texans in the preseason that Stingley intercepted.. Yes it made it past the DB and Slayton almost caught it but it is a bad pass. Ignoring that fact is basically messing with the overall test and just using the last portion as your proof positive...
But some of you are going a bit overboard blaming him for drops of catchable balls. It'd be nice if DJ hit a receiver in stride, but it would also be nice if the receivers caught catchable balls. The podcast shared an anecdote with the punchline being something along the lines of "what do you expect throwing to stonehands?" to excuse the Slayton drop. Unless Daboll told DJ to not pass to Slayton, that drop is on Slayton. The Hate club wants to blame DJ for anything that isn't perfectly thrown. There's plenty to hate without heaping more on him.
As for the DJFC, there is a minority fringe who are diehard members, but anyone who dares point out not everything is DJ's fault (see comment above) gets lumped into that group. When the group meets, not too many chairs are needed. They can probably fit around a kitchen table. Reading BBI, one gets the impression the DJFC meeting is some massive rally.
But some of you are going a bit overboard blaming him for drops of catchable balls. It'd be nice if DJ hit a receiver in stride, but it would also be nice if the receivers caught catchable balls. The podcast shared an anecdote with the punchline being something along the lines of "what do you expect throwing to stonehands?" to excuse the Slayton drop. Unless Daboll told DJ to not pass to Slayton, that drop is on Slayton. The Hate club wants to blame DJ for anything that isn't perfectly thrown. There's plenty to hate without heaping more on him.
As for the DJFC, there is a minority fringe who are diehard members, but anyone who dares point out not everything is DJ's fault (see comment above) gets lumped into that group. When the group meets, not too many chairs are needed. They can probably fit around a kitchen table. Reading BBI, one gets the impression the DJFC meeting is some massive rally.
You are correct. It is overboard and Jones shouldn't be blamed for delivering the pass and having it dropped nor should he be expected to place the perfect pass every time. The only thing I will say is every receiver drops passes and every qb suffers drops and perhaps the drops wouldn't loom so large in the context of a game if Jones wasn't leaving numerous other plays on the field and this team was scoring more points. 6 td's in 4 games is pretty bad.
It also smacks of a long-used Jones rationale going back to college that his struggles are the result of bad receivers rightly or wrongly so there is going to be some pushback against it.
But some of you are going a bit overboard blaming him for drops of catchable balls. It'd be nice if DJ hit a receiver in stride, but it would also be nice if the receivers caught catchable balls. The podcast shared an anecdote with the punchline being something along the lines of "what do you expect throwing to stonehands?" to excuse the Slayton drop. Unless Daboll told DJ to not pass to Slayton, that drop is on Slayton. The Hate club wants to blame DJ for anything that isn't perfectly thrown. There's plenty to hate without heaping more on him.
As for the DJFC, there is a minority fringe who are diehard members, but anyone who dares point out not everything is DJ's fault (see comment above) gets lumped into that group. When the group meets, not too many chairs are needed. They can probably fit around a kitchen table. Reading BBI, one gets the impression the DJFC meeting is some massive rally.
You are correct. It is overboard and Jones shouldn't be blamed for delivering the pass and having it dropped nor should he be expected to place the perfect pass every time. The only thing I will say is every receiver drops passes and every qb suffers drops and perhaps the drops wouldn't loom so large in the context of a game if Jones wasn't leaving numerous other plays on the field and this team was scoring more points. 6 td's in 4 games is pretty bad.
It also smacks of a long-used Jones rationale going back to college that his struggles are the result of bad receivers rightly or wrongly so there is going to be some pushback against it.
Ball placement and hitting a receiver *on time* matters a whole hell of a lot more if you aren't going to threaten with passes over 20 yards.
You can win with a QB that doesn't have good skill at downfield throws *but that means you have to be really good on these short passes*. Just completing the pass isn't enough. If we agree that Jones' value is just getting the ball into his receiver's hands and letting them get the yards, then just completing passes isn't enough. 'It hit the hands' isn't enough. He's got to be accurate enough on a fairly consistent basis to get the ball to these guys where they are not backtracking, reaching behind, stopping their route or diving forward to get it.
but my recall is that Eric tried to sell some "Big Blue" t-shirts through the BBI amazon store and received threats from the NFL.
I'm not an IP attorney, but my guess is that the website is considered less risk than merch. similarly, my guess is that a podcast with "Big Blue" in the title would attract more attention, and to Eric's point, it could be the wrong kind of attention (from the league).
Would be one about the history of BBI. So many great moments --asshats, gloveone, etc.
If you could track down some of the former posters to have on to tell some of the old stories, maybe even share some behind the scenes tidbits, that would be absolutely incredible. To hear what they're doing now, if the still follow, etc. but mostly, to tell the stories in their own words how they happened. Like a reunion.
but my recall is that Eric tried to sell some "Big Blue" t-shirts through the BBI amazon store and received threats from the NFL.
I'm not an IP attorney, but my guess is that the website is considered less risk than merch. similarly, my guess is that a podcast with "Big Blue" in the title would attract more attention, and to Eric's point, it could be the wrong kind of attention (from the league).
Yeah once you start to profit on something the lawyers come out. Not sure how ad generated revenue and video monetization play into that in our current era.
Would be one about the history of BBI. So many great moments --asshats, gloveone, etc.
If you could track down some of the former posters to have on to tell some of the old stories, maybe even share some behind the scenes tidbits, that would be absolutely incredible. To hear what they're doing now, if the still follow, etc. but mostly, to tell the stories in their own words how they happened. Like a reunion.
Not sure how to track down former posters. Even if we could, since they were "former", they either probably passed away or want nothing to do with the site.
That said, a show on the site and funny stories sounds like a good idea.
issues with the NFL were just weird. I had a BBIer who has a relationship with an IPR lawyer look at some former correspondence with the league. So I personally looked at the old back-and-forth I had with the NFL on this. It makes little sense (and I am not completely unfamiliar with the process... I used to work indirectly with PTO).
Long story short, it is unpredictable with how the NFL will treat trademarks. It's best to play it safe. They literally threatened to shut down my site.
Feedback is always welcome, but (1) this podcast wouldn't even be happening without John, (2) he does all the work putting it together, and (3) most importantly, I think we form a good team. He's got experience doing this and is much smoother than I am in public speaking. He's also a great setup man.
I have no doubt jvm is extremely knowledgeable and works hard. The problem I have is that he doesn't offer much insight in that he says what we all already know or already think and it takes him a long time to say it. I would prefer more insight and a bit more inside information, and less verbosity.
We can argue the Dallas game is the one. Relying on hitting 50 yard bombs every week is not sustainable. Jones is absolutely a replaceable at his position, but he is also a scapegoat.
They wouldve had better luck in the vikings game with no qb at all. Jones was putrid and the reason they lost. There's no reason to wave past that. Its an easy argument to make that they'd be 2-2 or 3-1 if they score touchdowns.
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Daniel can only be expected to play well when everyone else is perfect. It's unfair to him otherwise.
Jones did not play perfect .... no one did ... Even the coaches had some blunders. But the loss is on Jones ... that makes zero sense when being logical and unbiased.
See, it's how you frame the words that make all the difference. I said he didn't lose the game for the Gisnts BUY his inability to make the throws that lead to points is why we didn't win. I think too many people are now entrenched in being opposite of others statements. I am NOT accusing Jones of losing the game, but he didn't do the things need to get a victory.
Think of it more as doing a job and doing it well. Jones did a job good enough to lead to 15 points and only 1 late desperate throw turnover. But, none of his play was remarkable and some was borderline acceptable..
You're making the argument something that no one is talking about.
Its not the "50 yard plays". Its throws over 20 yards. Those are routine nfl plays.
Dont fake an argument to be able to say 'scapegoat'.
Again, regarding the name, suggestions are welcome but there are trademark concerns. I'm not sure how other podcasts have gotten around that, but I haven't in the past. "Giants" is a trademark.
Years ago, in our original podcast, we had on reporters who covered other teams as previews. That's something we can do again, but right now, that seems kind of empty to me. If the Giants were competitive, I think fans would like to hear from someone who covers the Seahawks. But now? Do you guys really want to hear that? We don't have a QB. The outcome is kind of predictable.
"highlight players or positions or prospects to talk about. You have something to say." Not sure what you mean here. The bulk of our podcasts are spent talking about players. The one linked above talks about prospects.
You are obviously doing the work, the content is really top, so who am I about content...
About names, BigBlueInteractive itself is pretty good, and plays directly to BigBlueInteractive.com. I wonder how talkin giants does it ... there is the term Giants, the logo is a knockoff, they have merch and >30K subscriptions. Fireside Giants has 22K subscribers. It takes time to build a subscription base and I think that will come with you guys, but it seems you may have been singled out on the infringement side of things...
Best to you and John...I'll keep listening and hitting the like button...
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Thankfully, she's spent enough time in the man cave with me watching the Giants, Knicks, & ND football that she's heard the 'F' word a couple of times, at a minimum. Haha.
Great pod.
Anyone we know? Eightshamrocks?
Thankfully, she's spent enough time in the man cave with me watching the Giants, Knicks, & ND football that she's heard the 'F' word a couple of times, at a minimum. Haha.
Great pod.
Sorry, I put the warning sign on but yeah, I should have added beeps..
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John, that Jones rant was spot on. But the cursing...I had the daughter in the car while listening to it.
Thankfully, she's spent enough time in the man cave with me watching the Giants, Knicks, & ND football that she's heard the 'F' word a couple of times, at a minimum. Haha.
Great pod.
Sorry, I put the warning sign on but yeah, I should have added beeps..
Thanks John, agree with the rant. It is what a lot of us have been saying about DJ, DJFC keeps saying he's playing well, he's completing 80% of his passes, blah, blah, blah. The eyes don't lie.
You can never discount Stroud, either.
They are to the DJFC what Captain Edward Smith was to the Titanic.
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Don't forget Jack Stroud!
You can never discount Stroud, either.
They are to the DJFC what Captain Edward Smith was to the Titanic.
Ok, I laughed out loud..
It's like a great many Giants fans are living in Westview, New Jersey with Daniel "the scarlet witch" Jones.. no matter the season, no matter the circumstances we have reasons he is good, not at fault and deserves another chance... Break the HEX Giants fans, see through the have and see the truth!!!
You’ve heard the other podcasts, right?
Can’t blame John for you deciding to play it in the car with your daughter there, lol
My wife is a lot like Eric's when I talk Daniel Jones. My wife knows he suck, but she's always saying...'Why do they keep playing him? Why don't they draft somewhere? Or sign someoe?' I really have no good response.
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What a great episode. You guys are the best! Particularly loved John’s Jones rant. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Of course the DJFC aren’t bright enough to let that all soak in, or they refuse to, but either way you two speak for the people. Outstanding job!
My wife is a lot like Eric's when I talk Daniel Jones. My wife knows he suck, but she's always saying...'Why do they keep playing him? Why don't they draft somewhere? Or sign someoe?' I really have no good response.
It’s one of life’s greatest mysteries
As I've told my wife multiple times, I got that bottle of Scotch ready to be open when he's finally no longer a Giant. That'll go down smooth.
But did not take into account a qb who can't throw deep.
And people want to leave them in charge?
People are either delusional or do not watch other NFL games.
Who could have thought?
"Balled out" =the ball left his hands vigorously
That's all it could mean.
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Daniel Jones has balled out in 3 out 4 games this season. LMAO. You can’t be fucking serious with that shit. Some people clearly don’t know what they are watching.
"Balled out" =the ball left his hands vigorously
That's all it could mean.
If 15pts per game is balled out then we are watching two completely different sports.
I saw a video shared on Facebook by a Giants fan basically showing passes dropped and saying tell me again why this is Jones's fault. But, a lot of those passes are poorly thrown. The deep pass to Slayton when he goes down low isn't a good pass at all. I would even dare say Jones wasn't even intentionally throwing the ball low it's just how it arrived. You make a somewhat lower % pass far tougher to complete by throwing it shorter and lower. In fact it is somewhat similar to the pass ti Hyatt against the Texans in the preseason that Stingley intercepted.. Yes it made it past the DB and Slayton almost caught it but it is a bad pass. Ignoring that fact is basically messing with the overall test and just using the last portion as your proof positive...
Geno hit Metcalf in stride on Monday night and DK took it to the half yard line. That was the kind of throw Jones doesn't make
As for the DJFC, there is a minority fringe who are diehard members, but anyone who dares point out not everything is DJ's fault (see comment above) gets lumped into that group. When the group meets, not too many chairs are needed. They can probably fit around a kitchen table. Reading BBI, one gets the impression the DJFC meeting is some massive rally.
As for the DJFC, there is a minority fringe who are diehard members, but anyone who dares point out not everything is DJ's fault (see comment above) gets lumped into that group. When the group meets, not too many chairs are needed. They can probably fit around a kitchen table. Reading BBI, one gets the impression the DJFC meeting is some massive rally.
It also smacks of a long-used Jones rationale going back to college that his struggles are the result of bad receivers rightly or wrongly so there is going to be some pushback against it.
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But some of you are going a bit overboard blaming him for drops of catchable balls. It'd be nice if DJ hit a receiver in stride, but it would also be nice if the receivers caught catchable balls. The podcast shared an anecdote with the punchline being something along the lines of "what do you expect throwing to stonehands?" to excuse the Slayton drop. Unless Daboll told DJ to not pass to Slayton, that drop is on Slayton. The Hate club wants to blame DJ for anything that isn't perfectly thrown. There's plenty to hate without heaping more on him.
As for the DJFC, there is a minority fringe who are diehard members, but anyone who dares point out not everything is DJ's fault (see comment above) gets lumped into that group. When the group meets, not too many chairs are needed. They can probably fit around a kitchen table. Reading BBI, one gets the impression the DJFC meeting is some massive rally.
You are correct. It is overboard and Jones shouldn't be blamed for delivering the pass and having it dropped nor should he be expected to place the perfect pass every time. The only thing I will say is every receiver drops passes and every qb suffers drops and perhaps the drops wouldn't loom so large in the context of a game if Jones wasn't leaving numerous other plays on the field and this team was scoring more points. 6 td's in 4 games is pretty bad.
It also smacks of a long-used Jones rationale going back to college that his struggles are the result of bad receivers rightly or wrongly so there is going to be some pushback against it.
Ball placement and hitting a receiver *on time* matters a whole hell of a lot more if you aren't going to threaten with passes over 20 yards.
You can win with a QB that doesn't have good skill at downfield throws *but that means you have to be really good on these short passes*. Just completing the pass isn't enough. If we agree that Jones' value is just getting the ball into his receiver's hands and letting them get the yards, then just completing passes isn't enough. 'It hit the hands' isn't enough. He's got to be accurate enough on a fairly consistent basis to get the ball to these guys where they are not backtracking, reaching behind, stopping their route or diving forward to get it.
as an example - if Go Terps were a guest - it would get a ton of engagement from the BBI community.
just an idea!
IMO Big Blue is synonymous enough with NYG, and it goes along with other Giants podcasts.
Then just keep plugging BBI on the pod.
Sued? Nah, maybe a C&D but he's also been using big blue for what 30 years with the website?
I'm not an IP attorney, but my guess is that the website is considered less risk than merch. similarly, my guess is that a podcast with "Big Blue" in the title would attract more attention, and to Eric's point, it could be the wrong kind of attention (from the league).
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will get Eric sued, in all likelihood.
Sued? Nah, maybe a C&D but he's also been using big blue for what 30 years with the website?
shut down is what it would bring.
If you could track down some of the former posters to have on to tell some of the old stories, maybe even share some behind the scenes tidbits, that would be absolutely incredible. To hear what they're doing now, if the still follow, etc. but mostly, to tell the stories in their own words how they happened. Like a reunion.
I'm not an IP attorney, but my guess is that the website is considered less risk than merch. similarly, my guess is that a podcast with "Big Blue" in the title would attract more attention, and to Eric's point, it could be the wrong kind of attention (from the league).
Yeah once you start to profit on something the lawyers come out. Not sure how ad generated revenue and video monetization play into that in our current era.
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as an example - if Go Terps were a guest - it would get a ton of engagement from the BBI community.
just an idea!
That's not a bad idea.
If you could track down some of the former posters to have on to tell some of the old stories, maybe even share some behind the scenes tidbits, that would be absolutely incredible. To hear what they're doing now, if the still follow, etc. but mostly, to tell the stories in their own words how they happened. Like a reunion.
Not sure how to track down former posters. Even if we could, since they were "former", they either probably passed away or want nothing to do with the site.
That said, a show on the site and funny stories sounds like a good idea.
Long story short, it is unpredictable with how the NFL will treat trademarks. It's best to play it safe. They literally threatened to shut down my site.
It is not all DJ's fault, but he surely is part of the problem.
as an example - if Go Terps were a guest - it would get a ton of engagement from the BBI community.
just an idea!
It’s not DJs fault! It’s everyone else’s fault!!!
We have failed Daniel again. Maybe the next coach, GM and entire new group of players will finally be up to the standard for helping Danny
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I wish Eric would find another guy.
Feedback is always welcome, but (1) this podcast wouldn't even be happening without John, (2) he does all the work putting it together, and (3) most importantly, I think we form a good team. He's got experience doing this and is much smoother than I am in public speaking. He's also a great setup man.
I have no doubt jvm is extremely knowledgeable and works hard. The problem I have is that he doesn't offer much insight in that he says what we all already know or already think and it takes him a long time to say it. I would prefer more insight and a bit more inside information, and less verbosity.