Pretty solid in pass protection but none of our IOLs are plus run blockers. That’s not going to change. We’ll do ok against some teams but I don’t see that being a consistent plus. We’re close. A strong run blocking RG would probably do it but he’s not on this team.
The Giants passing game lost them the game Thursday night. Nabers, Slayton and WDR had multiple opportunities where they were open and a good pass, a pass that is on time and leading the receiver changes everything..
We had a bad running game Thursday night BUT Dallas was selling out to stop it. Our passing game should have exploited that.
Pretty solid in pass protection but none of our IOLs are plus run blockers. That’s not going to change. We’ll do ok against some teams but I don’t see that being a consistent plus. We’re close. A strong run blocking RG would probably do it but he’s not on this team.
Our team isn't good at zone blocking. Our guards and center aren't the best when moving in space.
Gap schemes are the way to go.
Run more duo and down hill runs like we did against Washington. Run from under center more. Use the FB more.
The Giants passing game lost them the game Thursday night. Nabers, Slayton and WDR had multiple opportunities where they were open and a good pass, a pass that is on time and leading the receiver changes everything..
We had a bad running game Thursday night BUT Dallas was selling out to stop it. Our passing game should have exploited that.
This isn't being talked about enough. Dallas was in heavy boxes all night which was a huge reason for the poor rushing output.
We need to connect on some of these deep shots if we're going to lighten up the boxes.
HitSquad. Giants have a personnel and scheme issue (imv) when it comes to running the ball. How much do they emphasize it?
Good running teams still run well with an extra defender. Giants scheme and use of multiple TE's also factors into why teams at times bring and extra defender to the box imv.
Their QB didn’t throw a single incompletion and averaged more than 16 yards per attempt.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
Next week it will be a defense that can stop the run.
Following week it will be a defense that can stop the pass.
Then special teams.
Coaching.
Equipment staff.
Parking attendant.
linemen who can do it all. These guys seem to be better pass blockers than what we've had. The past several years we had guys who were better run blockers, and where did that get us? We need to either scout better or adjust our offense to the players we have.
Wonderful theory. The only problems are we don't have a hammer at rb, we don't have a run blocking line because we needed to protect Shakey McQuakey the qb and pass blocking was paramount (you don't sign a Runyan to run block), and we cannot consistently (at all?) exploit the middle of the field between the lb's and the safeties because the qb doesn't see it, isn't particularly accurate and at the moment we do not have a functional tight end.
Remember what that immortal GM, Joe Schoen said: "we didn't pay the qb $40 million to hand off."
because Jones was running RPOs with Barkley and was taking quite a few of those runs himself. Remember he had 700 yards on the ground that year! I think it’s true that a good running game will only help the offense. It loosens up the deep and intermediate passing game. That said, Jones needs to start hitting some of those deep shots. It’ll be a different game if so.
RE: RE: Our OL just isn’t that good at run blocking
Pretty solid in pass protection but none of our IOLs are plus run blockers. That’s not going to change. We’ll do ok against some teams but I don’t see that being a consistent plus. We’re close. A strong run blocking RG would probably do it but he’s not on this team.
Our team isn't good at zone blocking. Our guards and center aren't the best when moving in space.
Gap schemes are the way to go.
Run more duo and down hill runs like we did against Washington. Run from under center more. Use the FB more.
Sometimes the old methods are the best option.
Yeah, I watched Bobby Skinner, too. He does a good job explaining run blocking. And it was evident that the duo blocks were there and likely would have worked. Bricillo is smart, perhaps he wanted to see if the line could handle the zone blocking scheme. Maybe after film review he will go back.
BTW, the pass blocking looked really, really good.
Their QB didn’t throw a single incompletion and averaged more than 16 yards per attempt.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
Next week it will be a defense that can stop the run.
Following week it will be a defense that can stop the pass.
Then special teams.
Coaching.
Equipment staff.
Parking attendant.
Anything to deflect blame.
Where do you place the Pepsi cup filler?
RE: RE: RE: Our OL just isn’t that good at run blocking
Pretty solid in pass protection but none of our IOLs are plus run blockers. That’s not going to change. We’ll do ok against some teams but I don’t see that being a consistent plus. We’re close. A strong run blocking RG would probably do it but he’s not on this team.
Our team isn't good at zone blocking. Our guards and center aren't the best when moving in space.
Gap schemes are the way to go.
Run more duo and down hill runs like we did against Washington. Run from under center more. Use the FB more.
Sometimes the old methods are the best option.
Yeah, I watched Bobby Skinner, too. He does a good job explaining run blocking. And it was evident that the duo blocks were there and likely would have worked. Bricillo is smart, perhaps he wanted to see if the line could handle the zone blocking scheme. Maybe after film review he will go back.
BTW, the pass blocking looked really, really good.
But our QB still isn’t good enough to carry this team even with really good pass blocking. Past 5 seasons it was our O line and now it’s another issue. Good QB’s find a way to win period! When are we going to stop with every excuse in the book for DJ and let reality sink in and move on. Doing the same shit game after game and getting the same results. I said it yesterday that if we would have moved on from Jones be it sitting our record would be at the worst 0&4 instead of 1&3. Move the f on from DJ please. Deep down inside everyone on the team, in the media and stands knows he’s not the guy after 6 years. End it now.
We need to run the ball on first down no matter how many people are in the box. We did that the first 7 times vs the Cowboys. Oh wait ... it did not work. Shocker!
The Giants do not seem to realize that teams that have trouble stopping the run will make changes and COMMIT to more people in the box to stop the run. You have essentially ALREADY established the run before the game starts.
Why not come out passing and then go back to the run when the opponent adjusts?
When safeties are crowding the line with no fear of passes going over their head. The formula to beat the Giants is simple. Bring down Nabers and Robinson on the short passes that Jones throws.
Jones is struggling to hot on deep passes. Fine, but you still have to try a few to keep the Defense aware it needs to be defended. Why the hell can't we be completing 15-20 yards passes? With Dallas loading the box all night, I would have thought we would be able to scheme a little more mid-range routes.
Jones is struggling to hot on deep passes. Fine, but you still have to try a few to keep the Defense aware it needs to be defended. Why the hell can't we be completing 15-20 yards passes? With Dallas loading the box all night, I would have thought we would be able to scheme a little more mid-range routes.
Agree with you. The easy answer here is it is all the QB fault. Well if he isn’t hitting the long passes how about intermediate routes. What are Tight Ends doing. The OC Daboll needs to figure it out. Daboll and Schoen came here on the coat tails of Josh Allen.
The Giants passing game lost them the game Thursday night. Nabers, Slayton and WDR had multiple opportunities where they were open and a good pass, a pass that is on time and leading the receiver changes everything..
We had a bad running game Thursday night BUT Dallas was selling out to stop it. Our passing game should have exploited that.
Our team isn't good at zone blocking. Our guards and center aren't the best when moving in space.
Gap schemes are the way to go.
Run more duo and down hill runs like we did against Washington. Run from under center more. Use the FB more.
Sometimes the old methods are the best option.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
The Giants passing game lost them the game Thursday night. Nabers, Slayton and WDR had multiple opportunities where they were open and a good pass, a pass that is on time and leading the receiver changes everything..
We had a bad running game Thursday night BUT Dallas was selling out to stop it. Our passing game should have exploited that.
This isn't being talked about enough. Dallas was in heavy boxes all night which was a huge reason for the poor rushing output.
We need to connect on some of these deep shots if we're going to lighten up the boxes.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
The Lions have a top 5 OL. Not saying we can’t have success but we’re not the Lions.
Good running teams still run well with an extra defender. Giants scheme and use of multiple TE's also factors into why teams at times bring and extra defender to the box imv.
Agree Jones needs to hit more deep shots.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
Next week it will be a defense that can stop the run.
Following week it will be a defense that can stop the pass.
Then special teams.
Coaching.
Equipment staff.
Parking attendant.
Anything to deflect blame.
Remember what that immortal GM, Joe Schoen said: "we didn't pay the qb $40 million to hand off."
Other than that, great plan.
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Pretty solid in pass protection but none of our IOLs are plus run blockers. That’s not going to change. We’ll do ok against some teams but I don’t see that being a consistent plus. We’re close. A strong run blocking RG would probably do it but he’s not on this team.
Our team isn't good at zone blocking. Our guards and center aren't the best when moving in space.
Gap schemes are the way to go.
Run more duo and down hill runs like we did against Washington. Run from under center more. Use the FB more.
Sometimes the old methods are the best option.
Yeah, I watched Bobby Skinner, too. He does a good job explaining run blocking. And it was evident that the duo blocks were there and likely would have worked. Bricillo is smart, perhaps he wanted to see if the line could handle the zone blocking scheme. Maybe after film review he will go back.
BTW, the pass blocking looked really, really good.
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Their QB didn’t throw a single incompletion and averaged more than 16 yards per attempt.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
Next week it will be a defense that can stop the run.
Following week it will be a defense that can stop the pass.
Then special teams.
Coaching.
Equipment staff.
Parking attendant.
Anything to deflect blame.
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Pretty solid in pass protection but none of our IOLs are plus run blockers. That’s not going to change. We’ll do ok against some teams but I don’t see that being a consistent plus. We’re close. A strong run blocking RG would probably do it but he’s not on this team.
Our team isn't good at zone blocking. Our guards and center aren't the best when moving in space.
Gap schemes are the way to go.
Run more duo and down hill runs like we did against Washington. Run from under center more. Use the FB more.
Sometimes the old methods are the best option.
Yeah, I watched Bobby Skinner, too. He does a good job explaining run blocking. And it was evident that the duo blocks were there and likely would have worked. Bricillo is smart, perhaps he wanted to see if the line could handle the zone blocking scheme. Maybe after film review he will go back.
BTW, the pass blocking looked really, really good.
But our QB still isn’t good enough to carry this team even with really good pass blocking. Past 5 seasons it was our O line and now it’s another issue. Good QB’s find a way to win period! When are we going to stop with every excuse in the book for DJ and let reality sink in and move on. Doing the same shit game after game and getting the same results. I said it yesterday that if we would have moved on from Jones be it sitting our record would be at the worst 0&4 instead of 1&3. Move the f on from DJ please. Deep down inside everyone on the team, in the media and stands knows he’s not the guy after 6 years. End it now.
They averaged 4.1 yards per rush.
Don’t let facts get in the way of the agenda posts.
The Giants do not seem to realize that teams that have trouble stopping the run will make changes and COMMIT to more people in the box to stop the run. You have essentially ALREADY established the run before the game starts.
Why not come out passing and then go back to the run when the opponent adjusts?
Agree with you. The easy answer here is it is all the QB fault. Well if he isn’t hitting the long passes how about intermediate routes. What are Tight Ends doing. The OC Daboll needs to figure it out. Daboll and Schoen came here on the coat tails of Josh Allen.