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| Dov Kleiman @NFL_DovKleiman Highest passer rating allowed in 2024: (134.0) #Giants Deonte Banks (130.8) #Commanders Benjamin St-Juste (120.6) #Eagles Darius Slay Jr. (CB's with 20+ targets) |
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In comment 16633001 Eric from BBI said:
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not buying this. And if you want to get pissed about the long TD to CeeDee Lamb, Tyler Nubin royally fucked up.
the 2 tds vs cooper werent great vs cleveland. he is constantly in position but fails to make plays on the ball be it pbus, disrupting catch, or ints.
We know the Cleveland game wasn't his best. But we're not talking about Jeremy Lincoln here. Not even close. Look at what he did to McClaurin.
does he need to be jeremy lincoln to be a disappointment so far?
he was a guy they needed to take another step up this year and so far this year im not sure he's playing up to eli apple.
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not buying this. And if you want to get pissed about the long TD to CeeDee Lamb, Tyler Nubin royally fucked up.
the 2 tds vs cooper werent great vs cleveland. he is constantly in position but fails to make plays on the ball be it pbus, disrupting catch, or ints.
This is it. His coverage is sticky. Talking Giants highlighted this (advanced metrics have him up there with top corners on forced tight window throws). But he has to learn to make plays on the ball to take the next step.
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not buying this. And if you want to get pissed about the long TD to CeeDee Lamb, Tyler Nubin royally fucked up.
the 2 tds vs cooper werent great vs cleveland. he is constantly in position but fails to make plays on the ball be it pbus, disrupting catch, or ints.
Cooper is having a down year and has some critical drops but he’s still one of the best route runners in the NFL. Banks has been lined up against Jefferson, McLaurin, Cooper and Lamb in the 4 games. Jefferson and Lamb may be the 2 best WRs in football. A lot of CBs would have bad numbers against these guys.
I do agree that his problem is he just never seems to get his head around to attack the ball. He needs to get that figured out but his coverage hasn’t been that bad
I think he will be fine.
You focus too much on numbers. Trust your eyes. He's not getting roasted. He's right there in coverage.
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in his 6 year mediocre journeyman career eli apple never allowed more than 3 tds in a single season. 4 in 4 games is bad no matter how it's sliced and the 2 against cleveland were on him.
You focus too much on numbers. Trust your eyes. He's not getting roasted. He's right there in coverage.
i get that but after 2 years of him being right there in coverage and still not making plays to disrupt the ball isnt it fair to wonder if that's just a flaw in his game?
he was right there with cooper all day and never touched the football or disrupted cooper at the catch point.
92. Tae Banks
93. Joey Porter
94. Terrion Arnold
95. L'Jarius Sneed
Those are some very recognizable names.
92. Tae Banks
93. Joey Porter
94. Terrion Arnold
95. L'Jarius Sneed
Those are some very recognizable names.
in the book about the history of pff they acknowledged that DB ratings are the hardest to "grade".
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in his 6 year mediocre journeyman career eli apple never allowed more than 3 tds in a single season. 4 in 4 games is bad no matter how it's sliced and the 2 against cleveland were on him.
You focus too much on numbers. Trust your eyes. He's not getting roasted. He's right there in coverage.
I'd seen somewhere (I don't recall) that his percentage of tight window throws is something like 32% which is right at the level of the top cornders. So that supports your point that he's in position, he just has to make plays on the ball.
Did Jefferson go off on Banks? No. Did McLaurin? No. He had a bad game against Cooper, but it was a game of inches in both TDs.
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in his 6 year mediocre journeyman career eli apple never allowed more than 3 tds in a single season. 4 in 4 games is bad no matter how it's sliced and the 2 against cleveland were on him.
You focus too much on numbers. Trust your eyes. He's not getting roasted. He's right there in coverage.
I agree, he’s right there in coverage.. but he’s not finding the ball. He has CB1 athleticism and stickiness, but not CB1 results; it’s been a tough start to the year from what I’ve seen. Hopeful he will be a good player, but he needs to work on finding the ball and getting more stops.
Did Jefferson go off on Banks? No. Did McLaurin? No. He had a bad game against Cooper, but it was a game of inches in both TDs.
Even if you credit Lamb’s Touchdown to Nubin, Banks has given up 3 TDs in 4 games. That’s way too much for a No. 1 corner on any team. Banks has always been sticky in coverage but he never seems to get a hand on the ball. No matter how you slice it, it’s concerning.
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keep throwing four touchdowns out there. But again, on the play to CeeDee Lamb, Nubin has to make that play. He didn't.
Did Jefferson go off on Banks? No. Did McLaurin? No. He had a bad game against Cooper, but it was a game of inches in both TDs.
Even if you credit Lamb’s Touchdown to Nubin, Banks has given up 3 TDs in 4 games. That’s way too much for a No. 1 corner on any team. Banks has always been sticky in coverage but he never seems to get a hand on the ball. No matter how you slice it, it’s concerning.
CB is the most difficult position to adjust to in the NFL aside from QB. We see it all the time with young CBs struggling early. I remember most of this fanbase being absolutely disgusted with Corey Webster his first couple of seasons.
You’d think at some point many of you would learn to just freakin relax and let young players develop but here we are. It’s almost like you guys just started watching football
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in his 6 year mediocre journeyman career eli apple never allowed more than 3 tds in a single season. 4 in 4 games is bad no matter how it's sliced and the 2 against cleveland were on him.
You focus too much on numbers. Trust your eyes. He's not getting roasted. He's right there in coverage.
This doesn’t show up in the “TD’s against” stat line, but he got beat BADLY on the 2 point conversion as well. Not even close to his man.
I’m rooting for the kid though.
Did Jefferson go off on Banks? No. Did McLaurin? No. He had a bad game against Cooper, but it was a game of inches in both TDs.
almost every team has good WRs.
on sunday against seattle it's DK. banks gave up a td to him last year when he didnt make a play on the ball.
in 2 weeks it's cincy and jamarr chase/tee higgins.
in 3 weeks the eagles who will probably have at least 1 of AJB/Devonta back.
in 4 weeks it's pickens and the steelers.
in 5 weeks it's washington and mclaurin again.
in 6 weeks even the lowly panthers have diontae johnson.
in 7 weeks its mike evans/godwin.
in 8 weeks it's lamb and dallas again.
like a lot of aspects of this roster right now, banks is going to have to tighten up very quickly or the season will be over in a blink. nothing is getting easier.
and yes, nubin was just as bad on the lamb TD. id typically give a rookie non-first round pick a little more latitude than a first round pick in year 2 but without grading on any scale his angle was poor and he was just as to blame for that one.
Bill the play(s) that stand out have more to do with his tackling especially out in space...
He does need to improve on his stickiness on WR 1s...
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of why I hate drafting corners in round 1. They usually suck or are average. While I am aware average is a lot better than shitty and shitty corners can ruin a season, i'd just as much draft front 7 or any other position before corner in round 1. Wait until round 2-3.
The Giants never hit on corner in round 1 not since Aaron Ross. And even he was more solid and tough. IN this day and age corners have no shot unless they are elite. NYG of course, don't know what an elite player looks like.
I agree, if the guy is not clearly the top 2 CB or a top 15 pick, then the miss rate is still pretty low.
That said, he’s young and inexperienced, hopefully the lightbulb goes off soon. He’s not getting torched so much, just not turning and playing the ball.
Look at his positioning in coverage he is all over the WRs, he needs to learn to turn and look for the ball ! That will come with experience, does that make you feel better now, no, but the coverage is there, more so than other corners drafted, I feel he’ll become a very good corner
So many of you suck sooo much as fans. You're opinions are garbage and tiresome. This post is an example of that. Buy an effing clue.
ctrl f and you will see your post is the first time the word 'bust' was used in this thread.
nobody has seemed to say that much more than the obvious that he has had a bad start to his season. there are just as many compliments of him in this thread for consistently sticking with his man as there are mentions of his inability to play the ball.
the NFL is a young players league now. next week when the NYG play the seahawks Devon Witherspoon is also in his 2nd season. Tariq Woolen is in his 3rd season same as Flott and was picked later that him.
i dont think anyone is intending to bury banks in his second year, i think more than anything we are all hoping he can do better going forward because he is one of a handful on the roster who has the talent to do that and for it to make a difference in the W/L column. he was someone many thought could take a step forward this year as opposed to backward and i think there's some valid disappointment in that development.
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makes some good points. At times, Banks has been very good. But there are also too many stretches where he has played poorly. The counter argument is that he's only in his second year, and is matched up every week against the other teams' best receiver. My biggest complaint with Banks is his inability to locate the ball. He often has good coverage, but can't make a play for that reason. That needs to be corrected.
the NFL is a young players league now. next week when the NYG play the seahawks Devon Witherspoon is also in his 2nd season. Tariq Woolen is in his 3rd season same as Flott and was picked later that him.
i dont think anyone is intending to bury banks in his second year, i think more than anything we are all hoping he can do better going forward because he is one of a handful on the roster who has the talent to do that and for it to make a difference in the W/L column. he was someone many thought could take a step forward this year as opposed to backward and i think there's some valid disappointment in that development.
Witherspoon was the fifth pick n the 2023 draft and the first CB taken. Forbes and Gonzalez were also taken ahead of Banks. Gonzalez was injured for most of last season IIRC. I'm not sure how he is doing this year. Forbes has so far been a colossal disappointment.
Banks also shut down Marvin Harrison, Jr. in college.
My biggest concern with Banks as I said is that he seems to have difficulty locating the ball. He's in position to make a play but can't for that reason. It is very hard to be successful in the NFL just based on athletic ability. It takes more than a fantastic 40 time to be a good NFL CB. The same is true for WRs, which we may be learning with Hyatt.
Woolen was just a great pick by the Seahawks. When was the last time the Giants had a player taken on day three as good as Woolen? Bradshaw? Jacobs? Schoen has found some serviceable players on day three, but none as good as Woolen IMO.
I expected more from Flott by now. He had a chance to seize the #2 CB position this summer and did not, which too some extent is why the Giants had to resign Jackson, a player they couldn't wait to get rid of this past offseason.
Allen turned out to be a pretty damn good corner. Remember how bad Corey Webster was up until late 2007. CB’s usually take a few years. It’s more technical related than it is physical ability with Banks, and I’ll take his chances of developing over a guy with technique who lacks the athleticism to stay in the hip pocket of NFL receivers
Agree. Nubin did screw up bad. Imo, I think the rookie is ready to start. He did something similar in preseason against the Jets. Also Banks is not very good, he is average at best. I don't see anything special in this kid. Scouting definitely needs to improve.
I think this defense will get better as the season goes mainly because the system is still new AND its a young group as well. We just lack a second big man on the DL that could push the pocket and shut down the run. We lack a top second corner or perhaps even a first corner. But those guys don't grow on trees!
I honestly think we are building in the right direction but the 2022 off-season and draft is keeping us back this year as we didn't hit on Thibodeux and Neal in the first rd. If both were probowlers this year we'd be 3 - 1 (likely) right now. But the 2024 draft looks good so far so I'm hopeful that we will bring it vs Seattle and win keeping us in the game for now.
What's the excuse this week? He had DK? Next weeks excuse? He had Chase.
He makes no plays on WRs or balls, gives up on plays after he gives up long catches. I'm so tired of the excuses some people on this site make for these players.
Or, he’s getting beat like he stole something…
Thankfully it gets easier for him with DK coming up this week and Chase next week (sarcasm on)
Stop the excuses.
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Banks isn’t a #1 CB. Joins Thibs and Neal as underwhelming top picks.
So many of you suck sooo much as fans. You're opinions are garbage and tiresome. This post is an example of that. Buy an effing clue.
Fuck off, dude. I played CB. I know what a good one looks like. Banks could be a solid 2. He ain’t a 1. How’s Joe’s ass taste these days?
Just not good at locating the ball.
Has to improve in that area to take his game to a higher level.
We still need a #1 corner on this team.
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In comment 16633175 The_Boss said:
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Banks isn’t a #1 CB. Joins Thibs and Neal as underwhelming top picks.
So many of you suck sooo much as fans. You're opinions are garbage and tiresome. This post is an example of that. Buy an effing clue.
Fuck off, dude. I played CB. I know what a good one looks like. Banks could be a solid 2. He ain’t a 1. How’s Joe’s ass taste these days?
Nobody gaf about what u played, as if yo're experience is at all relevant to playing at the NFL level (it's not).
This man is early in his 2nd season in a brand new system where he has to play a lot more zone. He was drafted to be a man corner in Wink's scheme.
The reason you suck is bc you make broad proclamations about players without considering all the factors and without giving players time to reach their potential as they make the leap from college to the NFL.
Banks has not embarrassed himself. He has the tools to be a great player. As a rookie, he showed he could play very well against great competition. And he has been defending the best WRs in the NFL, players that make other very good NFL CBs look bad.
You also brought Thibs into it. He had 50 tackles and 11.5 sacks, and 35 pressures last year. He greatly improved from year 1 to year 2.
Some of you just expect a guy to play like an All Pro immediately. And if they're only a good player and not great, you shit on them. You win championships by hitting a lot of singles and doubles in the draft. Not every pick is going to be a Homerun and that is fine.
Did you know some 48ers fans wanted to run Jerry Rice right out of town after his rookie season? Pump the brakes on this bs.
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Banks isn’t a #1 CB. Joins Thibs and Neal as underwhelming top picks.
So many of you suck sooo much as fans. You're opinions are garbage and tiresome. This post is an example of that. Buy an effing clue.
This response does not warrant my comment
Banks covers the best WR basically all the time, sometimes 1-on-1 because he is far and away our best CB. He isn't just playing LCD or RCB. He has played good games against some good WRs. He was a bad game, whether its due to him or others effecting him we really don't know, and his stats pop like crazy, but he is always put in tough positions
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In comment 16633078 Eric from BBI said:
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keep throwing four touchdowns out there. But again, on the play to CeeDee Lamb, Nubin has to make that play. He didn't.
Did Jefferson go off on Banks? No. Did McLaurin? No. He had a bad game against Cooper, but it was a game of inches in both TDs.
Even if you credit Lamb’s Touchdown to Nubin, Banks has given up 3 TDs in 4 games. That’s way too much for a No. 1 corner on any team. Banks has always been sticky in coverage but he never seems to get a hand on the ball. No matter how you slice it, it’s concerning.
CB is the most difficult position to adjust to in the NFL aside from QB. We see it all the time with young CBs struggling early. I remember most of this fanbase being absolutely disgusted with Corey Webster his first couple of seasons.
You’d think at some point many of you would learn to just freakin relax and let young players develop but here we are. It’s almost like you guys just started watching football
Absolutely accurate, especially re: Webster. I'm willing to bet that you'll get revisionist stories of Webster being great within the second half of his first season (not true then, not true now). He just needed time and a few kicks in the butt before developing into a good corner.
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In comment 16633275 allstarjim said:
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In comment 16633175 The_Boss said:
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Banks isn’t a #1 CB. Joins Thibs and Neal as underwhelming top picks.
So many of you suck sooo much as fans. You're opinions are garbage and tiresome. This post is an example of that. Buy an effing clue.
Fuck off, dude. I played CB. I know what a good one looks like. Banks could be a solid 2. He ain’t a 1. How’s Joe’s ass taste these days?
Nobody gaf about what u played, as if yo're experience is at all relevant to playing at the NFL level (it's not).
Pop Warner is pretty damn competitive.