He's better than his biggest detractors say he is.
He's not as good as his biggest supporters say he is.
When we all think Jones turns a corner, he follows it up with a bad game.
When we all think Jones is done here, he follows it up with a strong game.
He played well today and it was a good win in a tough place to play. I thought they'd win all week because this is what always happens.
I don't subscribe to the idea of getting a new QB just for the sake of getting a new QB, but the Giants need to continue to actively seek better options.
i still think jones is better than darnold or some of the other retreads that were available. So they liked nabers over jj and went that direction this year. let’s see where they draft where they are and who is available.
Exactly.
Why doesn’t everybody on this site understand what you just said?
You mean like not dropping passes that are thrown right into your hands?
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
joe flacco and andy dalton were both 10 year+ starters who went to playoffs. they aren't enigmas, they are old and limited.
how many people fall into that fan group?
how many more fall into the group that would blast him to the moon right now if they could?
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Jones isn't an enigma. He is a low-end starter / high-end backup. These players are certainly capable of great games and even good seasons.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
joe flacco and andy dalton were both 10 year+ starters who went to playoffs. they aren't enigmas, they are old and limited.
Then substitute DeVito after the Green Bay game or whatever crappy backup QB has a great game this year or last year.
Backup QBs have great games (usually when playing the Giants), great QBs have terrible ones. It's why I care about larger sample sizes (when we have them). Drilling down on Jones, he was never as bad as that week one performance.
Some fans see that as a guy giving 100% and being a competitor. Others see that as being dumb and reckless. Both can be correct.
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he still does not know how to slide or protect himself. How many years will it take?
Some fans see that as a guy giving 100% and being a competitor. Others see that as being dumb and reckless. Both can be correct.
As an aside (and maybe people in the game thread talked about it), but Geno sliding a yard ahead of the the first down marker on third down in the second half was absolutely terrible, lol.
how many people fall into that fan group?
how many more fall into the group that would blast him to the moon right now if they could?
Are we including Jack Stroud and Eight shamrocks in this?
how many people fall into that fan group?
how many more fall into the group that would blast him to the moon right now if they could?
Good questions. I definitely think there are more who would blast him to the moon. Probably by a wide margin.
I just think Daniel Jones is good enough to get you fired as I said last week. This was a nice performance today and he has a knack for playing well on the road.
It's just an interesting thing to me. I'm not sure it's a slam dunk he's cut in February.
to answer brett's other reply his game against minnesota was definitely bad. that is what bad starters look like. i dont think that's been his usual though, and it isn't what he's been since. im would guesstimate 80% of his starts over his career to have been somewhere in the middle 1/3, with the occasional better game (like today) and the occasional worse game (like min).
this season has been a very "he is what he is" season so far, but relatively speaking i think there are a lot more people who think he's worse than he is than think he's better.
And yet another opportunity for him to flip the narrative regarding his home + prime time performance record next Sunday, against a team that is beatable but will put up points.
I think 25’ is in play but only if he turns it around at home.
And the Giants still need to move on. Carry on.
Are visions of an extension dancing in your head?
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he still does not know how to slide or protect himself. How many years will it take?
Some fans see that as a guy giving 100% and being a competitor. Others see that as being dumb and reckless. Both can be correct.
As an aside (and maybe people in the game thread talked about it), but Geno sliding a yard ahead of the the first down marker on third down in the second half was absolutely terrible, lol.
My son and I were laughing about how terrible a play by Geno that was. It was awful.
I thought it was an easy busted coverage throw.
That world has been here all along. They will win 7 games and Jones will throw 20 TDs and he will be the unchallenged starter in 2025. I’d bet my next mortgage payment on it.
The Seahawks stink. They have faced Bo Nix, Jacoby Brissett, and Skylar Thompson in their wins, allowed ZERO incompletions to Jared Goff last week, and just got torched by Daniel Jones.
But you know what, let the Jones gang have their fun. We’ll be back here in 2025 doing the same shit, and it won’t be good enough to actually contend.
Mmmmm.
Throw out the easy win vs Miami. That team is in crisis and winning against them means nothing.
A legit #2 WR. Slayton or Hyatt aren’t it. Just like they need to move on from Jones they need to move on from Slayton. Slayton is a worse WR2 than DJ is a QB1. You’re not winning with Slayton as a 2.
They need a TE. Theo looked good today but they still need a lot more from him and need another legit TE regardless.
They need a good RB. Maybe Tracey is it after today? Who knows…but Singletary and Gray aren’t good.
They need another stud DT. Preferably a 3tech. Davidson looked good today and Chatman has played decent but when Dex comes out of the game there’s a tremendous drop off in the way the defense plays.
They need a legit #1 CB. Or if you think Banks is a legit 1 fine, they need another.
And they need a 3rd edge rusher to rotate in. Azeez has played ok this year but I’ll be shocked if he’s back next year so edge is still a priority.
If they have a shot to get a top QB they have to take it. But they still need a lot of help to be a legit consistent playoff contender.
I want two out of three good years.
Throw out the easy win vs Miami. That team is in crisis and winning against them means nothing.
Mmmm indeed
Keep building —-build this roster up and let’s hope that we can reestablish a winning culture here again. I get the need to tank for the great QB, but losing begets losing —-it doesn’t always work out that way where you get the dream QB and all the problems go away. Just win for now. Learn to walk before we fly. Look at the Knicks their first three years under rose and Thibs and look at where they are now. They won all the while, didn’t seem to hurt their draft positioning did it?
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
It's not like any of those were dropped game-winners. Hell, for all we know Jones could have followed any of those dropped passes with a pick six the very next play if they'd been caught.
Other players on the team make mistakes too, yes. But Jones has a history here, his reputation as a below average starting QB is earned, and it's going to take more than playing well a quarter of a season go change it.
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There is a lot of football left and Jones is obviously the QB. His play for the full season will determine what happens with him.
Exactly!
If you want to speculate then fine …. But it’s just speculation.
The season he and the team have will determine the future.
Personallly?
I think this is a SuperBowl team.
It that’s just me.
Why doesn’t everybody on this site understand what you just said?
Give the man a huge extension, post haste!
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
We should be 2-0 in division
Also, Schoen will definitely be here next year. Daboll needs to prove he belongs.
Seriously - 9/30???
I think Schoen will play it just like he did this past off season. If a qb they like can be drafted either with their pick or via a trade up, then they will do that. If not, they will roll with jones again.
I would be in favor of signing a capable free agent like cousins (if available), then draft the future QB. Then release or trade Jones if possible.
I think Schoen will play it just like he did this past off season. If a qb they like can be drafted either with their pick or via a trade up, then they will do that. If not, they will roll with jones again.
I would be in favor of signing a capable free agent like cousins (if available), then draft the future QB. Then release or trade Jones if possible.
Jones has played decently, but is leaving plays on the field. He missed a few throws yesterday and he seems to conservative on the deep balls. I do not have All-22, but would love to see how many times he just couldn't pull the trigger.
I do think unless Jones all of a sudden gets really good, not mediocre good, really good, they draft a QB.
Will wait and see what Sy has to say on his review.
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Jones 5th in the NFL in overall efficiency since week 2 but carry on.
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
Posts like this that are completely untrue and devoid of any fact are what kills message boards.