He's better than his biggest detractors say he is.
He's not as good as his biggest supporters say he is.
When we all think Jones turns a corner, he follows it up with a bad game.
When we all think Jones is done here, he follows it up with a strong game.
He played well today and it was a good win in a tough place to play. I thought they'd win all week because this is what always happens.
Try harder. Missed Robinson twice off the top of my head. Not badly, but enough.
He was 23/34. And they all weren't drops or throw aways.
Fools gold, just like 2022
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12th in QBR. Ahead of Darnold, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Stafford and Mahomes, among others.
Fools gold, just like 2022
Not really. Jones needs to be replaced, but his stats are his stats if you use them correctly. He is not effective enough inside the red zone. Daboll has to do something with that.
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12th in QBR. Ahead of Darnold, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Stafford and Mahomes, among others.
Fools gold, just like 2022
Not really. Jones needs to be replaced, but his stats are his stats if you use them correctly. He is not effective enough inside the red zone. Daboll has to do something with that.
Like to see Theo get some 1 on 1s on the outside. Nabers will get a ton of attention so it could lead Johnson with some favorable matchups.
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
The infamous “if” argument for Daniel.
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12th in QBR. Ahead of Darnold, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Stafford and Mahomes, among others.
Fools gold, just like 2022
Not really. Jones needs to be replaced, but his stats are his stats if you use them correctly. He is not effective enough inside the red zone. Daboll has to do something with that.
I'm someone who has used advanced stats to kill Jones, so I would be a hypocrite to pretend they don't matter. The stats and the eye test say he's playing above average, just as it was the case in 2022.
But he also played decently at home in 2022, so until I see a good game from him at Met Life, his stats this year still feel a bit like a mirage. With 3 out of the next 4 at home, we're going to know for sure if his play is for real.
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Again, Nabers catches that pass against Washington, and a combination of 4 receivers catch passes against Dallas, and nobody is talking about Jones being an “enigma.”
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
The infamous “if” argument for Daniel.
There isn't a pro Jones argument that doesn't contain a bunch of "if"s. That is what happens when the stats and tape don't support your argument.
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Again, Nabers catches that pass against Washington, and a combination of 4 receivers catch passes against Dallas, and nobody is talking about Jones being an “enigma.”
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
The infamous “if” argument for Daniel.
There isn't a pro Jones argument that doesn't contain a bunch of "if"s. That is what happens when the stats and tape don't support your argument.
Ah yes, the ol "if" argument for passes that are right in the bread basket and dropped, that have a major factor in whether a team loses or wins a game.
But it’s always “if” everyone else was better the teams record would be better.
But it’s always “if” everyone else was better the teams record would be better.
And it’s the “ifs” with Jones that you only focus on. So who cares? The team has been bad for years because we have had a lot of bad players not doing their jobs.
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“If” Jones didn’t miss every single deep throw against Dallas they win.
But it’s always “if” everyone else was better the teams record would be better.
And it’s the “ifs” with Jones that you only focus on. So who cares? The team has been bad for years because we have had a lot of bad players not doing their jobs.
Wasn’t asking you. But glad you’ve moved on from still talking about a take on the defense that turned out to be pretty correct!
Yeah - you were right. The Herculean effort Jones gave yesterday while Seattles defense gave up 11.5 PPG per half should give him 5 more years. Glad you’re coming around.
Watch the upcoming twist from air. He’s never wrong!
Yeah - you were right. The Herculean effort Jones gave yesterday while Seattles defense gave up 11.5 PPG per half should give him 5 more years. Glad you’re coming around.
Watch the upcoming twist from air. He’s never wrong!
Very odd you’re repeating Ryan’s fake narrative. You should try coming up with your own material.
You don’t know me, or how I felt.
we're still dropping way too many balls, but guys are getting open and the line is much improved.
Outside of Minnesota, Jones has been good. Anyone not seeing that is just seeing what they want to see to back up their previous declarations about Jones.
I do think Daboll might be trying to get him killed with all the QB draws, though.
yesterday was a nice win, but those of you who are talking about how we should really be 4-1, or how Schoen has actually done a nice job - you were singing almost the exact opposite tune last week.
that you jump all over one win - a nice win, don't get me wrong - but one game - is demonstrating the same lack of judgment that our front office has shown for years.
someone quoted it perfectly either on this thread or another one - the front office would rather be "right" about Daniel Jones than fix this franchise. those of you talking playoffs because we won one game are of the same mind.
you've been abused for so long that you don't know what a healthy relationship looks like.
Yet with all that, after a stunning road upset when he diced the other guys up, the haters -- irreversibly mired in their reality distortion field - just can't stop hating
Yet with all that, after a stunning road upset when he diced the other guys up, the haters -- irreversibly mired in their reality distortion field - just can't stop hating
when there is time to throw and running game support he usually plays well enough to win. The "he's at best a backup" was always wrong.
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But big picture, there is no difference. We can’t get confused by Daniel Jones every time he plays a good game. He does every season. The problem is that he can’t do it consistently.
Which means he has twelve more games to prove he has cracked the "consistency" code. Let's see how he does vs Cincy, Philly, and Carolina and revisit this criticism at the bye.
Why is that the rebuttable presumption? That the burden is on the critics to revisit their argument and stay their hand?
Jones had a good game yesterday. It was, in fact, great on every metric. No one would or could deny that. That he did it without Nabers was even more impressive.
The question is its significance. He's had good games before and he's then gone back to clunkers. Perhaps he's truly turned a corner in year 6. Or perhaps this was a good game and he'll go back to having middling ones and terrible ones, i.e. being an average QB at best.
The historical record is in favor of the critics.
Yet with all that, after a stunning road upset when he diced the other guys up, the haters -- irreversibly mired in their reality distortion field - just can't stop hating
To your point, there were actually posters blaming Jones for Wandale's first drop. The ball hit him in both his hands and between the numbers! It's just weird at this point.
IMO, DJ has played above average bordering on good. He has missed too many deep throws and left point on the board no doubt. But overall except for the Minnesota game he's maming enough plays to put the team in position to win.
I will also say that despite all that, I still think if there is a QB available that's an upgrade in the first we need to draft him. While DJ has been maybe been top 10 to Top 12 this season, I want a guy who is a true difference maker. That and is injury history make me want to move on.
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Jones 5th in the NFL in overall efficiency since week 2 but carry on.
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
DJ is 11th in the NFL as we speak. Ahead of guys like Dak and Hurts and Darnold and Cousins and Stafford.
Willis doesn't qualify because who the hell cares.
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Sorry, not getting sucked back in on Daniel Jones. Daboll was able to scheme the one-read passing game today and isolate receivers. Jones was able to pick up the one read and make accurate and timely throws. Good job by both of them.
Dexter Lawrence is really good at football.
Great win.
Or maybe QBR is an incomplete measure of QB quality and more nuance is required.
Or maybe QBR is an incomplete measure of QB quality and more nuance is required.
Stop posting things that make sense, hater!
Or maybe QBR is an incomplete measure of QB quality and more nuance is required.
Yeah QBR is kind of ridiculous- I think Firlds was a top 10 QB coming into this week.
What is interesting is some of the best QBs are having down years tho. I mean Dak, Hurts have been pretty bad. Mahomes has looked human and Josh Allen has been pretty bad the last two weeks.
Weird year.
THIS!!!
Agree 100 percent. And the problem becomes that if anyone has the temerity to suggest Jones played a good game, the usual suspects berate you with snark.
The Giants played a very good game in a difficutl environment against a good not great team. Almoat no one gave us a chance. And DJ played a good game.
Let's enjoy it maybe
My issue is people throw them out and then when pressed, they run. Look at 2022, which is cited a ton--do people think Jones was the sixth best QB that year? Or is more nuance required? It's a good data point for sure, but people aren't using it to make an actual argument.
Fair take. I’ve been very harsh on Jones, but he played well yesterday.
My issue is people throw them out and then when pressed, they run. Look at 2022, which is cited a ton--do people think Jones was the sixth best QB that year? Or is more nuance required? It's a good data point for sure, but people aren't using it to make an actual argument.
I always say if you throw a couple of the advanced measures together (EPA, QBR, PFF) and average them, you get an accurate picture. Jones probably wasn't the 7th best QB in 2022, where EPA per play had him, but I don't think he was 17th or so, where PFF had him. Ergo, you put him at 12 or 13 for 2022 and get something that makes sense.
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With some of these decent performances which could save his starting job here in 2025.
I think Schoen will play it just like he did this past off season. If a qb they like can be drafted either with their pick or via a trade up, then they will do that. If not, they will roll with jones again.
I would be in favor of signing a capable free agent like cousins (if available), then draft the future QB. Then release or trade Jones if possible.
Jones has played decently, but is leaving plays on the field. He missed a few throws yesterday and he seems to conservative on the deep balls. I do not have All-22, but would love to see how many times he just couldn't pull the trigger.
He obviously made some really nice deep passes yesterday, navigated the pocket better than usual, and just looked more comfortable and decisive as a whole. That's great. I just still don't have confidence in the guy in certain situations, such as the final third down play. In such situations I'm so far from thinking, "Jones has got this, he's gonna end the game right here." Instead I'm nearly certain of an incompletion at best and an interception is always on the table.
It's a good thing Simmons made the play he did or who knows what the outcome would have been.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
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They absolutely need to be better passing the ball late in games and close them out. The 4th quarter play calling/execution with a lead is one of the few question marks I have about Daboll.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
What are you even talkng about? The post says "they" and "Daboll".
The Giants have penchant for letting teams hang around and have a chance to win (Cleveland and Seattle had both teams missing game tying field goals).
I know thinking is hard for you, but at least humor us sometimes. If that comes off as blaming Jones when he wasn't even mentioned, I'm not sure there's much else to say except that you're pretty pathetic. Not everything is a dig at Daniel Jones, don't be so defensive..
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They absolutely need to be better passing the ball late in games and close them out. The 4th quarter play calling/execution with a lead is one of the few question marks I have about Daboll.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
Completely agreed, we should be looking at the overall picture. The team is 6th worst in PPG this season and Daniel Jones has never been part of an offense that was above 16th.
Pretty simple to me. Keep signing qbs and maybe even draft one until there is someone better on the roster. Unless Jones regresses again-if he looks more 22 than 23; guess what his cap number is not that terrible in year 3 of this contract given the QB market is reset. Not ideal for sure. But you need to have a better option.
Maybe even draft one?
29 NFL teams have drafted a QB more recently than the Giants, who have not drafted a QB since Daniel Jones.
The fact that "maybe even draft one" is the suggestion and not "draft one every single year and in strong years draft two until you find the solution" is a pretty good illustration of just how satisfied with mediocrity this franchise and its fans have become.
We should be 2-0 in division
These are the kind of stats that only seem to get applied once bye weeks have begun and before SNF and MNF happens. It's a lot easier to stay in the top half of counting stats when a third of the league's QBs have played one fewer game.
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Jones 5th in the NFL in overall efficiency since week 2 but carry on.
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
Posts like this that are completely untrue and devoid of any fact are what kills message boards.
It might also be posters that resort to sensationalism and drama by suggestion that a message board might die. They probably kill message boards too.
Consistency from both a durability and performance perspective is his issue.
I think the number of posters who believe Jones is awful is fewer than 5. The real question for me is how many years running do you go to battle with a replacement-level QB.
I've seen this movie before.
Consistency from both a durability and performance perspective is his issue.
I think the number of posters who believe Jones is awful is fewer than 5. The real question for me is how many years running do you go to battle with a replacement-level QB.
I've seen this movie before.
That's my overall point. It's amazing how he puts together a solid game every time he seems to be on the ropes.
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They absolutely need to be better passing the ball late in games and close them out. The 4th quarter play calling/execution with a lead is one of the few question marks I have about Daboll.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
The overall picture is his play was better than some of the other games this year. But the fourth quarter when the game is on the line, things are amped up and plays need to be made/not made, then we see Jones' 6-year career trends.
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And they are likely going to move on from him, the bad has far outweighed the good. But the DJ sucks people who litter every post have quietly become more annoying, and more vocal, than the DJFC. We can't enjoy a win for 24 hours without the same people reminding us that he sucks and needs to be replaced. It's tiring
THIS!!!
I'm guilty of this. Absolutely ZERO reason to be discussing next year's QB situation right now. Root for wins, hope for the best, and hash it out in the offseason, or when this season is dead.
100% correct.
To be fair, the defense needs to do their part as much as the offense in closing games, too. That's where you need the pressure guys to deliver and/or the DC to scheme out of the soft shell.
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They absolutely need to be better passing the ball late in games and close them out. The 4th quarter play calling/execution with a lead is one of the few question marks I have about Daboll.
To be fair, the defense needs to do their part as much as the offense in closing games, too. That's where you need the pressure guys to deliver and/or the DC to scheme out of the soft shell.
While true, I thought the defense was mostly fine. It was also a way better second half offensively than against Cleveland.
But the 3 and out for 6 yards the drive before Seattle's blocked FG can't happen, and it happens far too often. Have to eat up some clock.