I am not sure Jones was scanning the field more versus we had a more explosive running game that kept our opponent honest and there was a lot more scheming to get guys open than Daboll had done previously. Someone like Nabers can get open without scheming so it is easy just to rely on that.
You may be right in that I used the wrong word in scanning. I didn't want to give the impression Jones was suddenly going through progressions like Joe Montana.
However, by not having Nabers, Jones obviously had to rely on others to make plays. And they did. So, perhaps the passing game can become less Nabers centric and evolve to use all of these assets.
They're not going to. And I don't agree with what Eric said above about priority #1. I don't think they'll see it that way.
Everyone should bookmark this when fans say there’s giants fan openly rooting for the team to lose and play bad.
But then again - they’re more trolls than fans.
You've lost whatever argument you are in when you start calling posters "not real fans."
A guy who openly roots for a team is not a fan. Sorry. You may think the team stinks, the players stink, or whatever. But rooting for a team to lose is not a fan. Sorry. It’s not a losing argument. More like actual evidence.
I've said it before, call me crazy, but I'm still rooting for Schoen and Daboll to prove their the right man for the job, and all the young cornerstone players they've invested in to turn the corner.
The Giants have a new DC and a QB coming off an ACL. It wasn't going to be a fast start even though we really needed one in the court of public opinion.
Keep sawing wood. If the Giants win the Super Bowl due to having dominant trench play and a game manager QB, I'll happily take it.
They're not going to. And I don't agree with what Eric said above about priority #1. I don't think they'll see it that way.
Please just go away. Who care's if you are correct sometimes when you are an absolute ass in the way you handle yourself and make every thread about you.
But all I know is I was cheering my ass off yesterday when that final blocked FG/TD was being run back.
so I guess, logic aside, I am still rotting for wins.
In the case of professional football, only one team wins the Super Bowl per year. The other 31 teams do not. To win the SB takes the stars to perfectly align. So in any given year your team will probably not win it all. So why not enjoy the wins as they come? It sure felt good to me yesterday watching my team play a competitive game even though I know that they will be one of the 31 teams that won't win the SB.
make a stupid decision again and keep Jones. He had a decent game in the first half yesterday, but they still almost ended up in OT.
I'm pretty sure anyone who thinks Jones is the long term answer at QB doesn't watch any other NFL games. If the Giants had a top tier QB they'd probably be 4-1 right now.
I don't want the Giants to lose to get a new QB. I want them to lose to so they'll make changes at GM and head coach.
Make a change at GM because all of the ‘24 picks are contributing too much for your liking?
Make a change at HC because we finally have a coach that players want to player for?
RE: I'm waiting for one of the anti-DJ crowd here to say
"Why didn't he chase down Jenkins and prevent the TD after the fumble? Jayden Daniels would have".
This bullshit has to stop to. The anti-DJ crowd?
People can objectively state that DJ should not be our QB next year while still enjoying the teams successes this year.
This black and white shit and WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON is complete and utter bullshit and feels like a political zealot stance than rather than just an objective fan stance
McCarthy wasn't good enough to draft at six.
Penix was too injury prone to take at six.
Nix was too limited to draft at six.
Yet, some people complain about the QB situation. Well, which is it? I get the contract is what it is, but to improve QB you may have to draft a QB that isn't a perfect prospect.
RE: It seems a lot of fans want to improve QB but don't want to draft QB
McCarthy wasn't good enough to draft at six.
Penix was too injury prone to take at six.
Nix was too limited to draft at six.
Yet, some people complain about the QB situation. Well, which is it? I get the contract is what it is, but to improve QB you may have to draft a QB that isn't a perfect prospect.
It's the same approach as the front office - we realize we probably need a QB, we just want it to be a super easy decision.
"I'm all on board getting a QB, if the overwhelming consensus agrees he is the greatest QB to come out of college in a generation. Anyone else is too risky for our QB-whispering coach."
RE: RE: I'm waiting for one of the anti-DJ crowd here to say
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
that too many important decisions in the offseason (and maybe some decisions during it) will be based on a lot of ambiguity, or as stated in another thread, enigmas. We do need to keep in mind that some key members of the Giants are still inexperienced, improvement is still their goal, and if the goal is achieved the outcome should be consistent performance. But it will usually be difficult to determine if good performances are the result of improvement, or if they're aberrations that don't reflect a raised floor that improvement permanently brings.
It's not likely that Daboll, Schoen, and various players (Jones, KT, etc) are suddenly going to become clearly and consistently elite in such a way as to make the decision a no-brainer. So evaluations are going to need to be made that are more elusive, more of a gamble. That sort of educated risk and calculation is normal, but I worry the Giants will grant positives way too much weight and actively look for ways to dismiss the poor performances as circumstantial.
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
😂😂😂😂
Tell that to Eli the 2nd half of his career dipshit
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
You don't like the ownership, front office or coaching staff
but I still want a new QB so we can rise to contender level.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
+1. The way the Giants play, if we are ahead the other team comes back and has a chance to win and if we are behind, we come back and have a chance to win. Our margin for error seems slight, many things have to go well.
On another thread someone posted that we'd be 4-1 with a few breaks. True, but if some breaks went the other way, we could also be 0-5.
The season is 5 games old and this team is ascending
and showing real promise. The first thing I loved about yesterday was that they dominated the LOS, doing that is THE recipe for success in the NFL. The second thing I loved was going out to maybe the toughest place to play in the NFL and playing with a ton of heart. It seems like this team truly doesn't listen to the outside noise. The fanbase and the pundits had them dead and what did they do, walked right down the field, had an all too Giants like disaster and then shook it off and pretty much kicked Seattle's ass.
Teams start to figure out their identity in October so no I don't want a tank job. I think this can be a fun season, the kids look impactful, the OL can pass block with the best of them and the D looks like it's getting used to Bowen's scheme and the talent on that side of the ball is showing itself. If there is a QB they really like and they can get him(easier said than done) I am sure they will, but to hope that they shit the bed to get some guy that some teams think "could" be like Stroud doesn't do it for me.
I'd love to see them win the division, the style of play they are starting to show plays well in the cold weather and who knows maybe they make some real noise. I want to win another SB but I'm not going to be crushed if they win a playoff game or two and we end the year saying this is a good team with a bunch of young talent. I want the arrow pointing up not another rebuild that guarantees absolutely nothing but a lot of losses and this place being insufferable
into the season, which would have been enough to get a new QB. Now it looks like they'll win 6-7 games, which still isn't good but also likely takes them out of the range for a QB in the draft.
I'm not upset that they've exceeded my expectations, but I also don't think there's anything to be overjoyed about. Being a middle of the pack non-playoff team is a shitty place to to be for a team, particularly when ownership is looking for an excuse to run it back again.
does not make a franchise QB. Sam Darnold has had a better year than DJ. Fans are getting blinded by one good game. In fact it seems like the one pass to Slayton for the TD was case-closed for many.
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
I’m curious, who are the better options at GM/ HC? I’m not disputing one way or the other, just interested in the names that you are focused on. To be clear, I continue to hope Schoen and Daboll will be successful, but am skeptical they will maximize the potential until there is a change at QB.
does not make a franchise QB. Sam Darnold has had a better year than DJ. Fans are getting blinded by one good game. In fact it seems like the one pass to Slayton for the TD was case-closed for many.
There are many posters who have argued for years that Jones is a really good QB. They don't say anything when Jones struggles, and then come flying out of the woodwork when he plays well, firing indiscriminately at everyone who challenged them. They care less about the team then they do vindicating themselves.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not even thinking about the QB
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
I’m curious, who are the better options at GM/ HC? I’m not disputing one way or the other, just interested in the names that you are focused on. To be clear, I continue to hope Schoen and Daboll will be successful, but am skeptical they will maximize the potential until there is a change at QB.
I think both Vrabel and Belichick (despite the age) are significant upgrades over Daboll. I think Daboll is brutal on roster management, has issues with his staff, and two years in a row had his team enter the season unprepared. And I know I'm not alone there because of I read the game thread yesterday everyone was ready to fire the guy around 7PM EST.
As for GM, I would lean heavily on whomever Vrabel/Belichick wanted at the position. Vrabel apparently wanted Ryan Cowden to be his GM in Tennessee, right? Well Cowden is now in the Giants' building as executive advisor to Schoen.
To answer your question specifically, my preference for GM/head coach is Cowden/Vrabel.
I don't think anyone is rooting for a deliberate tank job. But getting a QB is priority #1. See Jayden Daniels.
After today, I would guess Jones has received a stay of execution from 1925 Giants Way.
And he's back to being 50/50 as the 2025 starter.
I think TODAY, he is better than 50/50. That will shift throughout the season, I suspect, with Mara's sway being the key.
I am torn. I want a new QB no matter what. But, I NEVER root for a tank job whether deliberate or not. I want the Giants to win. Period. However, them winning is likely to continue that stay of execution, as 2022 did, even if the actual play doesn't warrant it.
I will amend 1 thing. At the start of the season, and really for the last few seasons, my take was Jones needs to be EXCEPTIONALLY good to continue beyond this year as our QB. If he can play week and and week out last yesterday AND the team plays similarly, with a winning record, then I can see moving forward as is. I just don't trust we can get the better part of 12 more games like this. I hope I'm wrong.
every game, and I'm rooting for them to do so. Should the time come that it's clear that post season play is not in the cards, I still want them to play to win, but I'm less inclined to root for that win.
Under no circumstances would I be OK with or advocate for any player, coach, or other personnel to suggest an active tank.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not even thinking about the QB
Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
I’m curious, who are the better options at GM/ HC? I’m not disputing one way or the other, just interested in the names that you are focused on. To be clear, I continue to hope Schoen and Daboll will be successful, but am skeptical they will maximize the potential until there is a change at QB.
I think both Vrabel and Belichick (despite the age) are significant upgrades over Daboll. I think Daboll is brutal on roster management, has issues with his staff, and two years in a row had his team enter the season unprepared. And I know I'm not alone there because of I read the game thread yesterday everyone was ready to fire the guy around 7PM EST.
As for GM, I would lean heavily on whomever Vrabel/Belichick wanted at the position. Vrabel apparently wanted Ryan Cowden to be his GM in Tennessee, right? Well Cowden is now in the Giants' building as executive advisor to Schoen.
To answer your question specifically, my preference for GM/head coach is Cowden/Vrabel.
Can’t argue with those two, but have to wonder the chances of it happening if they move on. The optics of Cowden staying and Schoen being fired after originally hiring Cowden would open up ownership to incredible criticism and we know how sensitive they can be…
I am not any longer but not just because the Giants won yesterday
I think the Giants still have some glaring weak spots on their roster. DT being #1 next to Dexter and #2 being ILB next to Okereke but they also have a lot of young players on both sides of the ball that are flashing or more. I think winning 7 or 8 games would help those young players more than winning only 3 or 4 games and getting a higher drafter pick.
but I still want a new QB so we can rise to contender level.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
This +1,000.
Yeah, it's not an uncontroversial position. It also shouldn't be controversial to wonder if the Giants ownership and front office is capable of responsible and reasonable self-analysis at the end of, say, a 7-10 season that featured some really good performances. Because they haven't been for a long, long time.
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I don't think anyone is rooting for a deliberate tank job. But getting a QB is priority #1. See Jayden Daniels.
Except there is no Daniels in this draft.
There are multiple teams that view Milroe as an equal to Stroud
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I don't think anyone is rooting for a deliberate tank job. But getting a QB is priority #1. See Jayden Daniels.
Except there is no Daniels in this draft.
There are multiple teams that view Milroe as an equal to Stroud
That’s an odd comparison since Milroe is a much better runner.
I do believe Milroe is QB1 right now
I am not sure Jones was scanning the field more versus we had a more explosive running game that kept our opponent honest and there was a lot more scheming to get guys open than Daboll had done previously. Someone like Nabers can get open without scheming so it is easy just to rely on that.
You may be right in that I used the wrong word in scanning. I didn't want to give the impression Jones was suddenly going through progressions like Joe Montana.
However, by not having Nabers, Jones obviously had to rely on others to make plays. And they did. So, perhaps the passing game can become less Nabers centric and evolve to use all of these assets.
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They're not going to. And I don't agree with what Eric said above about priority #1. I don't think they'll see it that way.
Everyone should bookmark this when fans say there’s giants fan openly rooting for the team to lose and play bad.
But then again - they’re more trolls than fans.
You've lost whatever argument you are in when you start calling posters "not real fans."
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They're not going to. And I don't agree with what Eric said above about priority #1. I don't think they'll see it that way.
Everyone should bookmark this when fans say there’s giants fan openly rooting for the team to lose and play bad.
But then again - they’re more trolls than fans.
You've lost whatever argument you are in when you start calling posters "not real fans."
A guy who openly roots for a team is not a fan. Sorry. You may think the team stinks, the players stink, or whatever. But rooting for a team to lose is not a fan. Sorry. It’s not a losing argument. More like actual evidence.
The Giants have a new DC and a QB coming off an ACL. It wasn't going to be a fast start even though we really needed one in the court of public opinion.
Keep sawing wood. If the Giants win the Super Bowl due to having dominant trench play and a game manager QB, I'll happily take it.
Please just go away. Who care's if you are correct sometimes when you are an absolute ass in the way you handle yourself and make every thread about you.
Yes, we are all tired of losing.
But also, we are all tired of you.
Good.
I really don’t like any of these QB’s.
But all I know is I was cheering my ass off yesterday when that final blocked FG/TD was being run back.
so I guess, logic aside, I am still rotting for wins.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
Yup.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
This +1,000.
Logical, isn’t it?
Accusing others of not being “real fans” or “mad they won” just because they think the QB still needs to be upgraded is weird behavior.
I'm pretty sure anyone who thinks Jones is the long term answer at QB doesn't watch any other NFL games. If the Giants had a top tier QB they'd probably be 4-1 right now.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
The problem isn't that posters struggle with that concept, it's that ownership struggles with it.
Connor Hughes laid out the low standards with John and Eric - 6 or 7 wins should be enough for Schoen and Daboll both. Oof.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
Just came back into this thread to post the exact same thing.
Making up hypotheticals to be mad about is weird.
Make a change at GM because all of the ‘24 picks are contributing too much for your liking?
Make a change at HC because we finally have a coach that players want to player for?
This bullshit has to stop to. The anti-DJ crowd?
People can objectively state that DJ should not be our QB next year while still enjoying the teams successes this year.
This black and white shit and WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON is complete and utter bullshit and feels like a political zealot stance than rather than just an objective fan stance
It seems you're struggling with posters hurting your delicate fan feelings.
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"Why didn't he chase down Jenkins and prevent the TD after the fumble? Jayden Daniels would have".
Making up hypotheticals to be mad about is weird.
There are some really strange sentiments on this site today. This win seems to have broken some folks.
Penix was too injury prone to take at six.
Nix was too limited to draft at six.
Yet, some people complain about the QB situation. Well, which is it? I get the contract is what it is, but to improve QB you may have to draft a QB that isn't a perfect prospect.
Penix was too injury prone to take at six.
Nix was too limited to draft at six.
Yet, some people complain about the QB situation. Well, which is it? I get the contract is what it is, but to improve QB you may have to draft a QB that isn't a perfect prospect.
It's the same approach as the front office - we realize we probably need a QB, we just want it to be a super easy decision.
"I'm all on board getting a QB, if the overwhelming consensus agrees he is the greatest QB to come out of college in a generation. Anyone else is too risky for our QB-whispering coach."
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"Why didn't he chase down Jenkins and prevent the TD after the fumble? Jayden Daniels would have".
It seems you're struggling with posters hurting your delicate fan feelings.
Not me. I'm agnostic with regard to DJ. Just pointing out how polarizing he is to others (as if that's a revelation).
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
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Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
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Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
Case closed..............
It's not likely that Daboll, Schoen, and various players (Jones, KT, etc) are suddenly going to become clearly and consistently elite in such a way as to make the decision a no-brainer. So evaluations are going to need to be made that are more elusive, more of a gamble. That sort of educated risk and calculation is normal, but I worry the Giants will grant positives way too much weight and actively look for ways to dismiss the poor performances as circumstantial.
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Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
😂😂😂😂
Tell that to Eli the 2nd half of his career dipshit
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
You don't like the ownership, front office or coaching staff
Sounds like you should just go find a new team
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
+1. The way the Giants play, if we are ahead the other team comes back and has a chance to win and if we are behind, we come back and have a chance to win. Our margin for error seems slight, many things have to go well.
On another thread someone posted that we'd be 4-1 with a few breaks. True, but if some breaks went the other way, we could also be 0-5.
Teams start to figure out their identity in October so no I don't want a tank job. I think this can be a fun season, the kids look impactful, the OL can pass block with the best of them and the D looks like it's getting used to Bowen's scheme and the talent on that side of the ball is showing itself. If there is a QB they really like and they can get him(easier said than done) I am sure they will, but to hope that they shit the bed to get some guy that some teams think "could" be like Stroud doesn't do it for me.
I'd love to see them win the division, the style of play they are starting to show plays well in the cold weather and who knows maybe they make some real noise. I want to win another SB but I'm not going to be crushed if they win a playoff game or two and we end the year saying this is a good team with a bunch of young talent. I want the arrow pointing up not another rebuild that guarantees absolutely nothing but a lot of losses and this place being insufferable
I'm not upset that they've exceeded my expectations, but I also don't think there's anything to be overjoyed about. Being a middle of the pack non-playoff team is a shitty place to to be for a team, particularly when ownership is looking for an excuse to run it back again.
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Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
I’m curious, who are the better options at GM/ HC? I’m not disputing one way or the other, just interested in the names that you are focused on. To be clear, I continue to hope Schoen and Daboll will be successful, but am skeptical they will maximize the potential until there is a change at QB.
There are many posters who have argued for years that Jones is a really good QB. They don't say anything when Jones struggles, and then come flying out of the woodwork when he plays well, firing indiscriminately at everyone who challenged them. They care less about the team then they do vindicating themselves.
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In comment 16639588 Go Terps said:
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Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
I’m curious, who are the better options at GM/ HC? I’m not disputing one way or the other, just interested in the names that you are focused on. To be clear, I continue to hope Schoen and Daboll will be successful, but am skeptical they will maximize the potential until there is a change at QB.
I think both Vrabel and Belichick (despite the age) are significant upgrades over Daboll. I think Daboll is brutal on roster management, has issues with his staff, and two years in a row had his team enter the season unprepared. And I know I'm not alone there because of I read the game thread yesterday everyone was ready to fire the guy around 7PM EST.
As for GM, I would lean heavily on whomever Vrabel/Belichick wanted at the position. Vrabel apparently wanted Ryan Cowden to be his GM in Tennessee, right? Well Cowden is now in the Giants' building as executive advisor to Schoen.
To answer your question specifically, my preference for GM/head coach is Cowden/Vrabel.
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I don't think anyone is rooting for a deliberate tank job. But getting a QB is priority #1. See Jayden Daniels.
After today, I would guess Jones has received a stay of execution from 1925 Giants Way.
And he's back to being 50/50 as the 2025 starter.
I am torn. I want a new QB no matter what. But, I NEVER root for a tank job whether deliberate or not. I want the Giants to win. Period. However, them winning is likely to continue that stay of execution, as 2022 did, even if the actual play doesn't warrant it.
I will amend 1 thing. At the start of the season, and really for the last few seasons, my take was Jones needs to be EXCEPTIONALLY good to continue beyond this year as our QB. If he can play week and and week out last yesterday AND the team plays similarly, with a winning record, then I can see moving forward as is. I just don't trust we can get the better part of 12 more games like this. I hope I'm wrong.
Under no circumstances would I be OK with or advocate for any player, coach, or other personnel to suggest an active tank.
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Like they did in Cleveland, the Giants played that fourth quarter like they were trying to give the game back.
Go read the game thread. People were ready to make Daboll buy his own ticket home late in the fourth quarter. And now we're supposed to take this game like we're on the right track? Talk about some violent mood swings.
I'm not interested in this GM and head coach being here in 2025. There are better options out there.
We know.
Please start applying your football acumen about the rest of the team rather than QB, HC/GM.
The rest of the team doesn't really matter.
I’m curious, who are the better options at GM/ HC? I’m not disputing one way or the other, just interested in the names that you are focused on. To be clear, I continue to hope Schoen and Daboll will be successful, but am skeptical they will maximize the potential until there is a change at QB.
I think both Vrabel and Belichick (despite the age) are significant upgrades over Daboll. I think Daboll is brutal on roster management, has issues with his staff, and two years in a row had his team enter the season unprepared. And I know I'm not alone there because of I read the game thread yesterday everyone was ready to fire the guy around 7PM EST.
As for GM, I would lean heavily on whomever Vrabel/Belichick wanted at the position. Vrabel apparently wanted Ryan Cowden to be his GM in Tennessee, right? Well Cowden is now in the Giants' building as executive advisor to Schoen.
To answer your question specifically, my preference for GM/head coach is Cowden/Vrabel.
Can’t argue with those two, but have to wonder the chances of it happening if they move on. The optics of Cowden staying and Schoen being fired after originally hiring Cowden would open up ownership to incredible criticism and we know how sensitive they can be…
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but I still want a new QB so we can rise to contender level.
Many posters here seem to struggle mightily with the concept of two things can be and are true at the same time.
This +1,000.
Yeah, it's not an uncontroversial position. It also shouldn't be controversial to wonder if the Giants ownership and front office is capable of responsible and reasonable self-analysis at the end of, say, a 7-10 season that featured some really good performances. Because they haven't been for a long, long time.