Welcome to this best-of-seven National League Championship Series thread between the 6th seeded Mets (89-73) & the 1st seeded N.L. West Champion Dodgers (98-64).
All games for this series will be covered in this thread. The Dodgers had the best record in all of MLB during the regular season & beat the Mets during the regular season 4 times,
winning the regular season series 4 games to 2. The Mets will be looking for some payback against the Dodgers the same way they did against the Brewers & Phillies, who they also lost their regular season series against. Click
HERE to read a preview of this Playoff Series. Enjoy 😊!
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Mets @ Dodgers: Game 1 –⚾Senga (R) vs. Flaherty (R)⚾– 8:15 pm EDT
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Chavez Ravine against the Dodgers.
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be televised on
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-The weather forecast for tonight's game at Dodger Stadium is excellent. Click
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HERE to see the Mets’ 26-man roster for the NLCS. There is one change overall: IF/OF Jeff McNeil for Reliever Adam Ottavino. This will be the 3rd time the Mets and Dodgers have met in the playoffs. They met before in 1988, 2006, and 2015 with the Mets winning in 2006 and 2015. Their most painful playoff series loss ever though was arguably to the Dodgers in 1988. Click
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-The Mets' 5-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of
Torrens (R), Martinez (R), Bader (R), Acuña (R), & McNeil (L). 
I hope this run taught our fanbase something about understanding team decisions especially managers and sets a tone that we as fans do not know all the in's and out's of why decisions are made.
I think Yankee fans struggle with this but Mets fans, we thrive in the chaos, we live and die with every strike, every out, every ball, every catch. We appreciate every little win and live in the moment because we know this win could be our last.
We get excited and text our friends about lineup changes, we love wearing the colors on the street, we buy into the fanfare and claw for anything that sets us apart from other teams because we are different. We are resilient fuckers that will never go away, we are fans of the fucking NY METS.
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Optimus...great job with the threads!
Can't wait to next year...wife just said, lets do spring training!
Only problem is we live in Las Vegas and I refuse to fly.
But not much to complain about other than that. I'm excited to see this group + Acuna + Ronny Mauricio + whatever additions are brought in. This year was fun. Next year should be also.
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Senga was asked about why he thought things didn't click for him after his rehab. He brought up stuff about his body and his mechanics.
As others have said this was an exciting, close-knit team and I’m proud of their effort in this postseason. At minimum they’ve lifted the Atlanta/Philly monkees off their back. I’m looking forward to what this offseason brings to tweak this core to run it back again next year.
As others have said this was an exciting, close-knit team and I’m proud of their effort in this postseason. At minimum they’ve lifted the Atlanta/Philly monkees off their back. I’m looking forward to what this offseason brings to tweak this core to run it back again next year.
Thanks for posting! It's always great to see the lurkers chiming in to let us know how they feel. Makes these threads even more worthwhile to me. It's gonna be a tough good-bye to some of these players (hopefully not too many). They were all likeable together this season. What an amazing ride it was.
Gilbert .083/.154/.250-.404
Williams .192/.323.385-.707
Reimer .154/.476/.154- .630
Pintaro 6 innings 5 hits 2 runs 1 walk 5 k's
Hall 5.2 innings 5 hits 2 er 6 walks 3 k's
Ramirez 2.1 innings 5 hits 2 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Ross 1.2 innings 5 hits 6 runs 3 walks 2 k's
Too often teams wait until the deadline to bolster the pen for a playoff run, and give up prospects; I hope we enter this next season with a high level, playoff-worthy group of relief pitchers.
I would not mind it. Diaz likes getting innings in so to be able to use him in an 8th inning when that has more difficult bats than the projected 9th inning would help to shorten games.
-Tanner Scott
-Buy low on Bednar (trade)
-Robertson/Yates
-Jeff Hoffman
-I don't see any realistic scenario Jansen signs with a team in which he's not the first in line for saves. He has a shot at top 3 all-time in saves, and 500+ saves.
-Clay Holmes (some buzz he may look to sign as a SP ala Lugo/Lopez)
why?
the lineup will be ok, hopefully Alonso did enough to get someone else to sign him, but not so much the Mets now overpay him.
but the pitching staff is filled with questions. No one in the rotation is still under contract for next year except Senga and Peterson unless I'm missing someone (maybe Megill but he's hopefully not in the 2025 rotation).
Expect Manaea to opt out, Sevy is a UFA, and Q is too. You lose 3/5th of your rotation and most of your bullpen.
The way I look it is I can look very positively about a team who falls short like this that is young and filled with controllable assets - like the 2015 Mets were, lol.
but this to me was lightning in a bottle from June to mid-October. Fixable not easily fixable IMO.
Will be interesting to see how the off-season goes.
in the rotation they have Senga, Peterson, Blackburn, Megill as under contract options, could put Butto back in the rotation too. Sproat, Tidwell, Vasil, Hamel in AAA. Tong, Mclean in AA.
they have almost $150m of money to play with so they are going to fill all their spots.
tanner scott and soto are the obvious 2 FAs i'd hope to see them go all in with like yamamoto last year.
this is from a really good Kiley article a few weeks ago titled "How the 2024 Mets exceeded expectations -- and set themselves up for a dominant future", i personally agree with almost all of his analysis and the "recipe" he suggests below as a plan A (alonso, soto, and $80m left to be spent on pitchers - the best case would be severino and manaea accepting QO and having half left for Tanner Scott/BP).
How the 2024 Mets exceeded expectations -- and set themselves up for a dominant future - ( New Window )
why?
the lineup will be ok, hopefully Alonso did enough to get someone else to sign him, but not so much the Mets now overpay him.
but the pitching staff is filled with questions. No one in the rotation is still under contract for next year except Senga and Peterson unless I'm missing someone (maybe Megill but he's hopefully not in the 2025 rotation).
Expect Manaea to opt out, Sevy is a UFA, and Q is too. You lose 3/5th of your rotation and most of your bullpen.
The way I look it is I can look very positively about a team who falls short like this that is young and filled with controllable assets - like the 2015 Mets were, lol.
but this to me was lightning in a bottle from June to mid-October. Fixable not easily fixable IMO.
Will be interesting to see how the off-season goes.
Certainly doesn't feel good today. Honestly for me the really shitty part is you look up and somehow the Yankees find themselves in the WS. Just sucks, but it's hard to knock the team given the expectations.
While he opted to take the quieter route, especially by New York standards, the payoff has been immediate. The Mets are set to comfortably beat their preseason win projections and hold a 68% chance of making the playoffs with eight games to go.
Rather than focusing on who added a new pitch, or how much luck the team has had in one-run games, let's examine the big-picture team building and scouting/development stories that have aided the team's quick ascent.
Here's what I've noticed in Stearns' first year in New York, along with how the pre-Stearns decisions in 2023 and the team's steps forward in 2024 could set the Mets up for a huge splash this offseason -- and a potentially dominant future.
1. Stearns has a style that works -- and he stuck with it even in a big market.
Following Stearns' history in Milwaukee -- and also what Steve Cohen and Billy Eppler had done in the previous winter before Stearns arrived -- the Mets' offseason strategy seemed to be built around avoiding long-term deals to players in their 30s. That meant their offseason focus was on signing younger stars or older players to short-term deals.
Last September, it seemed Yoshinobu Yamamoto would be a big priority for the Mets, but I wasn't projecting that he'd reach the $200 million mark, much less the $325 million that he ended up getting from the Dodgers. Once the bidding hit that range, he went from a potential cornerstone of their winter to not making much sense for the Mets.
Beyond Yamamoto, the realistic adds for New York's offseason mostly revolved around midlevel free agents in the one- or two-year-deal area. J.D. Martinez, Jordan Hicks, James Paxton and Luis Severino were some of the players I projected as the lower end of two offseason approaches. The actual outcome was pretty close to that: Martinez, Severino, Harrison Bader, Jose Iglesias and Adam Ottavino all on one-year deals and Sean Manaea on a two-year deal that he'll likely opt out of after the season.
The results have been very similar to what we became accustomed to seeing from Stearns' teams in Milwaukee: strong performances from a group of under-the-radar additions. Severino has been excellent, Manaea is having a career year, Iglesias has had his best season since 2013 and Bader and Ottavino have been solid.
The success of these players means that they will all likely hit the market again, looking for a raise. With a small-market club such as Milwaukee, that would leave Stearns unable to realistically afford bringing the group back, instead starting a new dive for one-year finds. In New York, he has the flexibility to bring at least some of them back -- or find upgrades.
2. The farm system crested, as expected, and the impact started to show up at the big league level.
Third baseman Mark Vientos (a former top-100 prospect) was the biggest homegrown, young, arrow-up success story on this year's big league roster. He has long had big tools and potential, but this season was the first time the 24-year-old delivered on his upside in the big leagues. His offensive contributions have played a big role in New York's in-season turnaround.
Christian Scott also played an important role in solidifying the rotation before going down with an elbow injury in July (with news coming out this week that he'll likely miss all of the 2025 season after surgery). He was a preseason top-100 prospect who looked like a potential No. 3 starter for stretches of this season before he got hurt.
After being acquired in last summer's Max Scherzer trade, SS/2B/CF Luisangel Acuna (brother of Ronald) has already provided a spark down the stretch since making his debut and looks like he'll be a solid contributor next season.
But the biggest excitement comes from the number of potential prospects who could become key members of the major league roster next season. Infielder Ronny Mauricio, a current top-100 prospect, missed the 2024 season with a torn ACL and will be returning next season, likely to spend the bulk of 2025 in the big leagues. SS/2B/CF Jett Williams, another top-100 prospect, has only played a couple dozen games this year because of injury but is finishing the season in Triple-A with a likely call-up coming in 2025. OF/1B Ryan Clifford, another top-100 prospect, should spend much of next season in Triple-A and get a big league look if he hits well. OF Drew Gilbert, yet another top-100 prospect, had a down season but should debut in 2025, as will RHP Blade Tidwell, who spent much of this season in Triple-A.
Righties Brandon Sproat (now a top-100 prospect) and Jonah Tong (not far behind) both had breakout seasons on the mound. Sproat, a longtime power arm with command limitations at Florida, took a big step forward with a slight tweak to his delivery that has helped his pitch shapes generate more whiffs while his command also has improved. Tong was a somewhat generic late-rising power high school arm in the 2023 draft who has posted big strikeout numbers since entering pro ball because of his standout fastball shape. He finished the year in Double-A and could be a big league factor in late 2025 at this rate.
3. The Mets have weathered storms via roster addition and development successes.
Plenty of things have gone wrong for the Mets this season, and being able to overcome those challenges has been one of the biggest differences between this year's squad and those of other recent years.
Kodai Senga made one big league start this season and Brooks Raley threw seven innings before he needed elbow surgery. Mauricio missed the entire season, and Scott went down after a strong stretch. Jeff McNeil's best days seem behind him, and Edwin Diaz had pretty awful luck on balls in play (and also out of the stadium). Brett Baty has traveled a similar path to Vientos, just without the breakout big league season. Last year's surprise, OF DJ Stewart, reverted back to his career norms. Dedniel Nunez, Drew Smith and Sean Reid-Foley all showed flashes in relief but had extended arm trouble. Some smaller offseason gambles (Jorge Lopez, Jake Diekman, Joey Wendle, Shintaro Fujinami) flopped, though the cost was low.
Because of the successes from their free agent and trade deadline additions combined with the young players who have stepped up and some smaller steps forward from role players such as David Peterson, Tylor Megill, Danny Young, Jose Butto and Reed Garrett, the Mets have come a long way in neutralizing the difficulties presented by the grind of a season.
4. These Mets are already starting to run with the payroll efficiency Stearns was known for in Milwaukee.
Yes, the Mets have the biggest payroll in baseball -- but it's a much more manageable version than the 2023 roster that famously flopped. Along with the team's disciplined offseason, the shedding of some of its bad contracts is the outcome of the 2023 trade deadline (while Eppler was still in charge) that sent Scherzer to Texas and Justin Verlander to Houston.
Only Verlander projects to have any real money paid to him next year as a player no longer on the team. Starting in 2025 there will be nothing else owed to (deep breath): Omar Narvaez, Adrian Houser, Fujinami, Wendle, Lopez, Tomas Nido, Joey Lucchesi, Phil Bickford, Julio Teheran, Diekman, Scherzer, James McCann, Darin Ruf and Michael Tonkin. Meanwhile, Manaea, Severino, Raley, Bader, Martinez, Ottavino, Pete Alonso, Jose Quintana, Phil Maton, Ryne Stanek, Jesse Winker and Smith have contracts expiring or options unlikely to be picked up.
If you add all those figures up, the Mets have just over $173 million coming off the books in expiring contracts and dead money from the $358 million CBT payroll figure, or almost exactly half the money paid this year from the biggest payroll in baseball. For context, $173 million would be the 14th-highest payroll in the sport.
5. The Mets are set up to do, well, just about anything they want this winter.
With all of the young talent headed to the big league roster next year plus so much freed up money (as a bonus, some of those young players were acquired in trades that moved some of the dead money), the Mets are in a fascinating position to make bold moves this winter, coming off an ahead-of-schedule likely 2024 playoff run.
Now, I wouldn't just assume the payroll will stay the same as it has been, and I don't expect the Mets to change their strategy of limiting long-term deals to older players. But we can play out some in-character decisions for Stearns and Cohen to see where potential moves would put the payroll.
The Mets have a locked-in core of Francisco Lindor, Francisco Alvarez, Brandon Nimmo and Vientos, along with Senga in the rotation and Diaz in the bullpen. The supporting cast includes Jeff McNeil, Starling Marte, Tyrone Taylor, Megill and David Peterson, along with the prospects who will either start the season in the big leagues or be ready to come up at some point in 2025.
Let's assume in the rosiest situation the Mets bring back Alonso for $25 million per year and land the prize of the offseason in Juan Soto (and that Soto's CBT figure is the very round number of $50 million per year). The buzz is the Soto sweepstakes will primarily be between the two New York teams, and he fits the Mets' offseason needs almost perfectly.
Those two moves would put the 2025 payroll at roughly $255 million ($80 million less than the current payroll) with five spots left to fill and a roster that looks like this:
Lineup: C Alvarez, 1B Alonso, 2B McNeil/Mauricio/Acuna, SS Lindor, 3B Vientos, LF Nimmo, CF TBD, RF Soto, DH TBD
Bench options: Luis Torrens, Marte, Taylor, Jett Williams, Drew Gilbert, Ryan Clifford
Rotation options: TBD, Senga, TBD, Peterson, Megill, Paul Blackburn, Sproat, Tidwell
Bullpen: Diaz, Reed Garrett, Jose Butto, Dedniel Nunez, Reid-Foley, Danny Young, TBD
It's also possible the current bench/prospects group takes those two open lineup spots, but I think the Mets will add some veterans on short-term deals (bringing back Bader is one possibility).
If the Mets choose to make an even bigger free agency splash, the pricey lineup option could be signing Alex Bregman (roughly $30 million AAV) at third base -- pushing Vientos to a DH spot -- or signing the likely-to-opt-out Cody Bellinger (roughly $25 million AAV) to play center field. Gleyber Torres also seems likely for a one-year pillow deal that would make him the type of addition who fits Stearns' past moves, even if the infield is pretty full.
If the Mets are unable to sign Alonso, fallback options would include Christian Walker and Paul Goldschmidt. If they miss out on Soto, alternatives include Anthony Santander, Teoscar Hernandez, Tyler O'Neill and Max Kepler.
While bringing back Severino and Manaea is one option to restock the rotation, there are a wealth of options to fill New York's pitching needs. Chicago White Sox starter Garrett Crochet will be the most sought after name in the trade market, though he'd probably cost a couple of key prospects and I don't think the Mets want to do that if it isn't necessary. Another trade target could be relief ace Devin Williams, who is entering his final year of team control and pitched for Stearns in Milwaukee.
As for free agent starters, Corbin Burnes ($30 million-plus AAV) is the top on the market (and also pitched for Stearns in Milwaukee). The next group includes Max Fried, Jack Flaherty and Blake Snell, and the tier below that (alongside Manaea and Severino) includes Nick Pivetta, Yusei Kikuchi, Nathan Eovaldi and Michael Wacha. Shane Bieber coming back from Tommy John surgery and Walker Buehler headline the list of intriguing veterans likely to land a short-term deal or pillow contract who could be of interest to the Mets. And, of course, if the Mets can also jump into a potential Roki Sasaki sweepstakes, landing a $200 million-plus talent for under $10 million guaranteed, that would be the cherry on top of an ideal fantasy winter for the Mets.
The most realistic combination here might be bringing back Manaea (let's say on a three-year deal), and then picking two more additions from the potential optimization targets (Pivetta or Buehler), a buy-low short-term deal off of injury (Bieber), a proven vet on a short-term deal due to age (Eovaldi) or even waiting out the market and paying a premium AAV on a shorter deal for an ace type (Snell, at something like $40 million per on a three-year deal) if the market allows.
So, if we land on a potential offseason of Soto, Alonso, Bader, Snell, Manaea, and Bieber as the main pieces, with only Alonso getting more than three years at over 30 years old, the 2025 Mets would have a payroll almost exactly equal to this year's team. Back of the envelope math says this hypothetical roster would give the Mets a top-five offense and a top-five pitching staff.
For a franchise that entered the homestretch of last season looking directionless, heading into the final week of 2024 with a playoff spot within reach and a dream offseason suddenly seeming attainable is an incredible outcome.
i dont see how the NYY can let him go, and to the NYM of all places, but i also dont see him turning down $ or Cohen not offering more if he wants to.
it reminds me very much of Yamamoto last year, so if anything stops them I think it may be that Stearns could take a disciplined enough position that the Yankees match so he goes there just like LAD/Yamamoto. I could see Stearns doing the math that getting for the same amount Alonso + Adames + Scott or something like that for the same combined AAV at fewer years is just better ROI.
also if the Mets did somehow get Soto, I'm pretty sure the Yankees would have Alonso/Burnes signed the next day. Unless the Mets decide to get aggressive with Alonso and try to sign him quickly but that doesn't seem like Stearns style.
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about this, I kind of viewed it as it needed to end in a WS or it was all for naught.
why?
the lineup will be ok, hopefully Alonso did enough to get someone else to sign him, but not so much the Mets now overpay him.
but the pitching staff is filled with questions. No one in the rotation is still under contract for next year except Senga and Peterson unless I'm missing someone (maybe Megill but he's hopefully not in the 2025 rotation).
Expect Manaea to opt out, Sevy is a UFA, and Q is too. You lose 3/5th of your rotation and most of your bullpen.
The way I look it is I can look very positively about a team who falls short like this that is young and filled with controllable assets - like the 2015 Mets were, lol.
but this to me was lightning in a bottle from June to mid-October. Fixable not easily fixable IMO.
Will be interesting to see how the off-season goes.
Certainly doesn't feel good today. Honestly for me the really shitty part is you look up and somehow the Yankees find themselves in the WS. Just sucks, but it's hard to knock the team given the expectations.
The Yankees have no effect on me. I grew up in CT so I never had the same Yankees hate as NY fans, plus my father and younger brother are diehard Yankees fans and with my father getting older I'd like him to experience as much joy as possible.
not going to root for them, I'm generally indifferent, but for their (my father and brother) sake I won't care if they win.
Living in Boston I hate the Red Sox more than the Yankees. I also hate the Dodgers more - all the way back from '88.
From prior to the draft
"Tong is a 6-foot-1, 180-pound righthander who has an average fastball, but a chance for an above-average or plus curveball. The pitch has big bending action and depth, and he lands it consistently as well. The changeup needs work and is currently a below-average pitch, but he could project as a back-end starter with more refinement. "
From this April aka 2 full years after being drafted-
"Jonah Tong, RHP, Mets
Team Rank: 22
Tong pitches at 92-94 mph and has topped out at 97, but velocity only tells part of the story. The vertical break on his four-seam fastball is elite and contributes to high whiff rates against batters on both sides of the plate. Tong’s repertoire is fastball-heavy but he can get chases out of the zone with a curveball and changeup that both have average potential. He also throws a mid-80s cutter to give him a gloveside weapon. Like most young pitchers, he works with control more than command. Tong’s upside will be determined by how his riding four-seamer plays against more advanced hitters and whether he can throw his secondaries for strikes."
I'm not going to get too deep into the weeds here but just an add description
-About 3 months until the Mets officially announce their IFA signings which will be headlined by IF Elian Pena (the largest bonus ever given out by the Mets)
@ZackScottSports
Since I coach leaders to be transparent even if it leaves them vulnerable, I must practice what I preach...
When I became Mets GM in 2021, I completed my journey from intern to the top seat, a dream I had since age 15. But it came crashing down because I was falsely arrested for a DWI. I was eventually acquitted of all charges, but the damage was done.😩
I own that I made terrible choices to put myself in the wrong place at the wrong time and, therefore, understand why the officer made his decision.✋
I wasn't offered a breathalyzer until after I was arrested and booked. I struggled with the decision but eventually refused because I had a drink hours earlier.😕
That experience was challenging but made me a better person in many ways. That includes living an alcohol-free life, so I'm never in that position again.👊
That's a great point Dan. I was banking on him being a contributing member of the team next year with the expectation that they'd let Bader walk in free agency, but now that seems to be a questionable approach with this info in mind.
@ZackScottSports
Since I coach leaders to be transparent even if it leaves them vulnerable, I must practice what I preach...
When I became Mets GM in 2021, I completed my journey from intern to the top seat, a dream I had since age 15. But it came crashing down because I was falsely arrested for a DWI. I was eventually acquitted of all charges, but the damage was done.😩
I own that I made terrible choices to put myself in the wrong place at the wrong time and, therefore, understand why the officer made his decision.✋
I wasn't offered a breathalyzer until after I was arrested and booked. I struggled with the decision but eventually refused because I had a drink hours earlier.😕
That experience was challenging but made me a better person in many ways. That includes living an alcohol-free life, so I'm never in that position again.👊
This doesn't constitute "falsely" and refusal to agree to a breathalyzer has consequences many states.
Just because he got out of it or had the charges dropped doesn't mean he didn't do it.
Doesn't really sound transparent to me. If he had just had one drink, hours ago, he would have taken the breathalyzer. Sounds even more suspicious to me now given his "transparent" explanation.
2) What the hell was Senga doing on the roster if he couldn't start or be an average pitcher when needed in relief? He was HORRIBLE this series and single-handedly turned the game into a laugher in the Bottom of the 8th inning.
All in all, Game 6 was a blown opportunity. Not saying they would've won Game 7, but it would have meant a lot to get to it and give this group a chance to play for the NL Pennant.
*Rant off*
yeah, let this one die.
I can’t say enough about the tenacity and grit this team displayed this season. We are all disappointed that it ended yesterday, but I’m so grateful
for the incredible run the team went on. The Mets galvanized not just NY fans but baseball fans all over America.There is much to look forward to in ‘25 and beyond. LGM
I can’t say enough about the tenacity and grit this team displayed this season. We are all disappointed that it ended yesterday, but I’m so grateful
for the incredible run the team went on. The Mets galvanized not just NY fans but baseball fans all over America.There is much to look forward to in ‘25 and beyond. LGM
I saw that earlier on SNY's "Baseball Night in NY" show. nice statement by Uncle Steve.
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OR should we let this one rock a little more? Lemmee know please.
yeah, let this one die.
Tomorrow then is ok? I was thinking of doing a Mets Post-mortem and Postseason discussion thread until the end of the World Series in late October/early November? We could keep everything there until then? Is that OK? We could also decide how we wanna approach our discussion threads for this coming off-season.
Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
David Stearns will talk at 1 pm ET on Wednesday to wrap up the Mets 2024 season.
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OR should we let this one rock a little more? Lemmee know please.
yeah, let this one die.
Tomorrow then is ok? I was thinking of doing a Mets Post-mortem and Postseason discussion thread until the end of the World Series in late October/early November? We could keep everything there until then? Is that OK? We could also decide how we wanna approach our discussion threads for this coming off-season.
totally your call, I support whatever you (and others) decide.
Can't thank you enough Optimus-NY - you really made following the team this year more fun, even last year with the "Tank Commander" threads bringing some levity, but this year with the success experienced from June on - coinciding with your series thread starts - was obviously a lot more fun.
loved your enthusiasm and loyalty - we will be rewarded some day.
Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
David Stearns will talk at 1 pm ET on Wednesday to wrap up the Mets 2024 season.
That makes more sense Eric. Thanks for that tidbit. I'll start it on Wednesday then sometime in the morning before that press conference kicks off. I need to vent a little more on this thread still until then anyway, lol.
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about this, I kind of viewed it as it needed to end in a WS or it was all for naught.
why?
the lineup will be ok, hopefully Alonso did enough to get someone else to sign him, but not so much the Mets now overpay him.
but the pitching staff is filled with questions. No one in the rotation is still under contract for next year except Senga and Peterson unless I'm missing someone (maybe Megill but he's hopefully not in the 2025 rotation).
Expect Manaea to opt out, Sevy is a UFA, and Q is too. You lose 3/5th of your rotation and most of your bullpen.
The way I look it is I can look very positively about a team who falls short like this that is young and filled with controllable assets - like the 2015 Mets were, lol.
but this to me was lightning in a bottle from June to mid-October. Fixable not easily fixable IMO.
Will be interesting to see how the off-season goes.
Certainly doesn't feel good today. Honestly for me the really shitty part is you look up and somehow the Yankees find themselves in the WS. Just sucks, but it's hard to knock the team given the expectations.
They had a really easy path. I think I’m actually rooting for them over LAD though.
2) What the hell was Senga doing on the roster if he couldn't start or be an average pitcher when needed in relief? He was HORRIBLE this series and single-handedly turned the game into a laugher in the Bottom of the 8th inning.
All in all, Game 6 was a blown opportunity. Not saying they would've won Game 7, but it would have meant a lot to get to it and give this group a chance to play for the NL Pennant.
*Rant off*
Maton was their 2nd best reliever heading into the playoffs and he imploded.
Butto was their 3rd best reliever heading into the playoffs, he too had his issues.
Garrett had 2 good games vs LAD, 2 bad games vs LAD, already appeared earlier.
Danny Young got in 1 game and pitched well, blew up in the other.
the guy they'd have kept over senga was otto. is there any doubt how that may have gone?
once Manaea didnt have it senga was coming in at some point. he looked good in the 7th, blew up in the 8th. sometimes there are no good options and this was one of those times. was very hard to win against the LAD when will smith, pages, kike, edman weren't getting big hits. when they are there's no chance.
we had our chances with winker, mcneil, marte, lindor up with bases loaded and just didnt cash in. they got hits/walks in other at bats so it's hard to even kill them individually, just bad timing. dodgers pitches made nasty pitchers, ours didnt.
Opinions? Input? Another day and a half or so of this thread ain't so bad. May as well start the offseason with that date since the discussion will dovetail smoothly into off-season plans plus we can still talk about the postseason (Mets and otherwise).
2) What the hell was Senga doing on the roster if he couldn't start or be an average pitcher when needed in relief? He was HORRIBLE this series and single-handedly turned the game into a laugher in the Bottom of the 8th inning.
All in all, Game 6 was a blown opportunity. Not saying they would've won Game 7, but it would have meant a lot to get to it and give this group a chance to play for the NL Pennant.
*Rant off*
honestly man, thought about this all day today and outside of Diaz our pitching was on fumes, totally gassed.
An I don't mean seeing more rest days, I mean you have overexerted yourself to a point that the muscles have slowed the reconstructing/repair phase which is the first lead to dead arm.
That takes months to come back from.
The last thing I wanna see is the Mets get swept by the Yankees in the World Series at Citifield
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In comment 16656316 pjcas18 said:
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about this, I kind of viewed it as it needed to end in a WS or it was all for naught.
why?
the lineup will be ok, hopefully Alonso did enough to get someone else to sign him, but not so much the Mets now overpay him.
but the pitching staff is filled with questions. No one in the rotation is still under contract for next year except Senga and Peterson unless I'm missing someone (maybe Megill but he's hopefully not in the 2025 rotation).
Expect Manaea to opt out, Sevy is a UFA, and Q is too. You lose 3/5th of your rotation and most of your bullpen.
The way I look it is I can look very positively about a team who falls short like this that is young and filled with controllable assets - like the 2015 Mets were, lol.
but this to me was lightning in a bottle from June to mid-October. Fixable not easily fixable IMO.
Will be interesting to see how the off-season goes.
Certainly doesn't feel good today. Honestly for me the really shitty part is you look up and somehow the Yankees find themselves in the WS. Just sucks, but it's hard to knock the team given the expectations.
They had a really easy path. I think I’m actually rooting for them over LAD though.
ive landed on rooting for LAD to sweep them so the narrative is "they werent even close to as competitive as the mets" and "the mets played even better than we thought they did".
i am not super confident that tommy edman continues looking like super man though.
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1) I'm still pissed off that there isn't a Game 7 tonight and
2) What the hell was Senga doing on the roster if he couldn't start or be an average pitcher when needed in relief? He was HORRIBLE this series and single-handedly turned the game into a laugher in the Bottom of the 8th inning.
All in all, Game 6 was a blown opportunity. Not saying they would've won Game 7, but it would have meant a lot to get to it and give this group a chance to play for the NL Pennant.
*Rant off*
honestly man, thought about this all day today and outside of Diaz our pitching was on fumes, totally gassed.
An I don't mean seeing more rest days, I mean you have overexerted yourself to a point that the muscles have slowed the reconstructing/repair phase which is the first lead to dead arm.
That takes months to come back from.
The last thing I wanna see is the Mets get swept by the Yankees in the World Series at Citifield
I think the Mets would've beaten those turkeys. The big difference now with the Yankees is Stanton is playing and playing well.
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