a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Then that injury clause kicks in. No. He has to stay healthy.
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Under any kind of pressure. He played tight today. You can physically see the difference in his body language and play from last week and this week.
He’s an atrocious home game QB. He’s not as shitty on the road.
You are absolutely correct. Makes me wonder. I bet he has a baker mayfield resurgence when he comes of the bench for the Panthers, Cardinals or some other basement team in 2026 and plays well
I really can't wait until he's gone. Both boring and bad.
He'll have another couple good games and the 'debates' will start again, his fans will torture the data to make him look good over some meaningless sample size while we toil away with a bottom ten offense yet again.
Drew Lock also sucks. But I'd rather see him play at this point. Daboll went for fourth downs the way I did in Madden when I played 15 years ago and we could only muster 7 points against a struggling defense.
RE: RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
You think a broken toe is going to keep Jones from passing a physical in March of 2025? Considering the poster, maybe?
RE: RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
Can they just bench him so he doesn’t get hurt lol?
RE: RE: RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
Can they just bench him so he doesn’t get hurt lol?
hemust have thrown a half dozen short balls lto receivers who had one or two guys draped all over them. And he just can't connect anymore on a long ball. Hard to imagine that Lock or DeVito could do worse.
RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, it is very bad to wish injury upon a player. Let's be better.
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
RE: Since February/March I’ve been saying the 2024 QB’s weren’t good
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
RE: Since February/March I’ve been saying the 2024 QB’s weren’t good
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
QBs don’t have to generational talent to be good. The front office just needs to scout and find a QB that fits their system, and then have a plan in place to develop their skillset. If Daboll/Schoen stay, I’m sure they will want a QB with an above average arm that can also move in the pocket.
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I think there's space between the claim that a QB has to be a generational, love-me talent to be selected and the idea that they had graded Nabers well above the QBs available at 7 and that the price of getting to 3 was prohibitive.
Now I do think a lot of the posters on the board watch these college QBs thinking "what are they bad at? What are their flaws?" instead of "what are their strengths? Are those teachable? What can you project?"
I also think this year has made abundantly clear that a lot of the delta between this team's floor and ceiling is inconsistent and very often terrible QB-ing. How many plays where I see this team's non-trivial WR talent getting open and the QB either missing them completely or ignoring them.
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I think there's space between the claim that a QB has to be a generational, love-me talent to be selected and the idea that they had graded Nabers well above the QBs available at 7 and that the price of getting to 3 was prohibitive.
Now I do think a lot of the posters on the board watch these college QBs thinking "what are they bad at? What are their flaws?" instead of "what are their strengths? Are those teachable? What can you project?"
I also think this year has made abundantly clear that a lot of the delta between this team's floor and ceiling is inconsistent and very often terrible QB-ing. How many plays where I see this team's non-trivial WR talent getting open and the QB either missing them completely or ignoring them.
Unfortunately nuance sometimes gets lost around here. I agree with this assessment.
Th niners in 2022. Philly in 2021 (leading to 22) or the Chargers back when they added RIvers to a pretty talented roster. Or even the Giants in 04--that team was coming off 2-3 competitive seasons before the bottom fell out in 03. Add Eli. Win. SO much for the Bears this season. Or the Titans when they added a stable QB in Tannehill and went on a decent run. Or WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW.
I presume the Giants blew it because they didn't draft the QB when YOU wanted them to. Might as well just stop watching them.
...DJ is the reason they lost tonight.
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
The NFL doesn't work that way. You don't "build it" and then get the QB. The easy this organization operates it could take a decade to find the QB.
Of course the NFL can work this way. It may mean you use a lot of draft capital to trade up (like many teams have), or it may mean you sign a good FA (like the Rams did), but teams do it all the time.
We may be in an ideal situation believe it or not. Our team is getting better at all positions besides QB, yet we are still losing these stupid games. If we bench Jones we can finish pretty badly and get the best of both worlds, and improving team and a high draft pick
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I don't think Schoen is going to have to "force" a QB pick. There will be QBs that grade out where our slot is; or he will move up in the draft to get his guy.
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
+1
RE: RE: RE: Since February/March I’ve been saying the 2024 QB’s weren’t good
I don't think Schoen is going to have to "force" a QB pick. There will be QBs that grade out where our slot is; or he will move up in the draft to get his guy.
We had 3 guys "grade out" at our slot in 2024 by a measure that's far more accurate than every amateur draft guide out there: they went 8, 10, and 12 when we were picking 6th.
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Then that injury clause kicks in. No. He has to stay healthy.
Maybe it would be worth it for the Giants to have to pay the injury clause just to get Jones out of our faces.
last night. 2.2 YARDS! That’s almost impossible, but it’s not even the lowest average of his career. For all of those blaming Daboll for not running enough in the 1st half, Cincy KNEW Jones couldn’t and wouldn’t throw deep, so they crowded the LOS.
There were opportunities in the passing game that Jones’s simply missed. Throwing to covered WR’s when others were running wide open. Daboll is playing the good soldier by accepting the blame, but he knows what the problem is. If they don’t make a change, it’s on Schoen.
RE: RE: RE: Since February/March I’ve been saying the 2024 QB’s weren’t good
And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I don't think Schoen is going to have to "force" a QB pick. There will be QBs that grade out where our slot is; or he will move up in the draft to get his guy.
The franchise hasn't picked a QB in the draft since 2019, in any round.
That alone means the next QB selected will be "forced" to some degree. At least by any reasonable measure.
RE: RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, it is very bad to wish injury upon a player. Let's be better.
Yeah, right, "let's be better". While each of us continues to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars and five months of weekends on this team while they shit on us. Yeah, let's be better.
RE: RE: RE: Is it so bad of me to wish DJ would get hurt? Not badly, but maybe
a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, it is very bad to wish injury upon a player. Let's be better.
Yeah, right, "let's be better". While each of us continues to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars and five months of weekends on this team while they shit on us. Yeah, let's be better.
You sound like a swell dude with his priorities in order.
The best thing for the team and everyone who roots for the Giants
is to bench Daniel Jones and play out this year with Lock and/or DeVito. They could average 15 points a game too and neither of them have a 20 million+ injury guarantee on the Giants books.
I can't stand watching Jones anymore. In his 6th season he's still, locking onto 1 receiver pre snap and never coming off him, constantly throwing the ball short of sticks on 3rd down, not capable of making the throws necessary to force the defense to defend entire width and length of the field, unable to create enough explosive plays to win games, and panicking under pressure at least two or three times creating potential catastrophic game losing plays.
I have no idea whether the owner is requiring his approval to bench Jones or the GM and HC feel obligated to the owner to play Jones no matter what after giving him a way too rich 2nd contract. Or both. I don't care. Just bench him.
He has been paid 100 million dollars. Good for him. I never complain about NFL players getting paid. They deserve whatever they can get. It's a brutal sport/business. The Giants owe him nothing more.
He's produced a 25-41-1 record. Everyone has sen enough. He is what he is. One of the 5 worst starting QBs in the NFL. There aren't 5 NFL GMs or fan bases that would trade their starting QB for the Giants starting QB.
Whatever the reason is, it seems he's not going to be benched any time soon. So like a few other people on this thread have said I'm hoping for a minor, none surgical, injury that takes Daniel Jones out at least a month of games, hopefully more. A bad hamstring pull or turf toe. Something like that. Anything that will heal by February so he can pass a physical in March that keeps him playing any more games for the Giants. That's what I'm rooting for this point.
I think Daniel Jones is holding the entire team back. I 100% believe that if Tommy DeVito (who I know was inactivate) started the 2nd half Sunday night in place of Jones the Giants would have won the game. I have no illusions that Devito is anything more than a potential backup NFL QB. But unlike Jones he has a positive, contagious enthusiasm about him and he's not afraid to push the ball down the field. The home field advantage would have kicked in and the Giants would have won.
It’s anything but the play of the sixth year quarterback. JONES ISN'T THE PROBLEM!!!
Public humiliation on a national level over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Public humiliation on a national level over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
1-14 I believe. Devito is 1-0, I think.
The GM and the coach are not the problem. They’ve built a team that can compete….its just being led by a backup (at BEST) quarterback
He’s an atrocious home game QB. He’s not as shitty on the road.
Then that injury clause kicks in. No. He has to stay healthy.
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
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Under any kind of pressure. He played tight today. You can physically see the difference in his body language and play from last week and this week.
He’s an atrocious home game QB. He’s not as shitty on the road.
You are absolutely correct. Makes me wonder. I bet he has a baker mayfield resurgence when he comes of the bench for the Panthers, Cardinals or some other basement team in 2026 and plays well
Homes vs away stats - ( New Window )
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
The NFL doesn't work that way. You don't "build it" and then get the QB. The easy this organization operates it could take a decade to find the QB.
He'll have another couple good games and the 'debates' will start again, his fans will torture the data to make him look good over some meaningless sample size while we toil away with a bottom ten offense yet again.
Drew Lock also sucks. But I'd rather see him play at this point. Daboll went for fourth downs the way I did in Madden when I played 15 years ago and we could only muster 7 points against a struggling defense.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
You think a broken toe is going to keep Jones from passing a physical in March of 2025? Considering the poster, maybe?
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a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
Can they just bench him so he doesn’t get hurt lol?
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a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, because he has an injury clause...
Can they just bench him so he doesn’t get hurt lol?
That would be ideal
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...DJ is the reason they lost tonight.
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
The NFL doesn't work that way. You don't "build it" and then get the QB. The easy this organization operates it could take a decade to find the QB.
Shut the fuck up, jackass. Your assumption that there is only one way to build a team is wrong.
You're not the genius you think you are.
Yes, it is very bad to wish injury upon a player. Let's be better.
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...DJ is the reason they lost tonight.
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
The NFL doesn't work that way. You don't "build it" and then get the QB. The easy this organization operates it could take a decade to find the QB.
Shut the fuck up, jackass. Your assumption that there is only one way to build a team is wrong.
You're not the genius you think you are.
I don't think there is only one way to build a team. I do think the one way the Giants have chosen has proven itself to be foolish.
Eh, that's debatable.
Our D is better IMO. And we played a MUCH better offense than ours.
I think it's Cincy's D that's holding them back.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
QBs don’t have to generational talent to be good. The front office just needs to scout and find a QB that fits their system, and then have a plan in place to develop their skillset. If Daboll/Schoen stay, I’m sure they will want a QB with an above average arm that can also move in the pocket.
I hope he does because we need a new QB and we need a good draft position because, as of now, Carolina will be drafting #1 again.
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And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I think there's space between the claim that a QB has to be a generational, love-me talent to be selected and the idea that they had graded Nabers well above the QBs available at 7 and that the price of getting to 3 was prohibitive.
Now I do think a lot of the posters on the board watch these college QBs thinking "what are they bad at? What are their flaws?" instead of "what are their strengths? Are those teachable? What can you project?"
I also think this year has made abundantly clear that a lot of the delta between this team's floor and ceiling is inconsistent and very often terrible QB-ing. How many plays where I see this team's non-trivial WR talent getting open and the QB either missing them completely or ignoring them.
Post injury he's a bottom five QB.
Did I leave anything out?
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And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I think there's space between the claim that a QB has to be a generational, love-me talent to be selected and the idea that they had graded Nabers well above the QBs available at 7 and that the price of getting to 3 was prohibitive.
Now I do think a lot of the posters on the board watch these college QBs thinking "what are they bad at? What are their flaws?" instead of "what are their strengths? Are those teachable? What can you project?"
I also think this year has made abundantly clear that a lot of the delta between this team's floor and ceiling is inconsistent and very often terrible QB-ing. How many plays where I see this team's non-trivial WR talent getting open and the QB either missing them completely or ignoring them.
Unfortunately nuance sometimes gets lost around here. I agree with this assessment.
If special teams does everything right, thats 6 points added.
Leading the offense to 13 total points is still 100% unacceptable.
Special teams is bad because of injuries. That happens. The offense is healthy.
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Jones was their get well opponent QB.
Eh, that's debatable.
Our D is better IMO. And we played a MUCH better offense than ours.
I think it's Cincy's D that's holding them back.
Then, that's even worse.
Dunno why, but this annoys me almost as much as the play of DJ.
The vast majority of BBI rants and raves about how bad he is.
I'm done. It has made zero difference.
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...DJ is the reason they lost tonight.
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
The NFL doesn't work that way. You don't "build it" and then get the QB. The easy this organization operates it could take a decade to find the QB.
Since when? So I am now supposed to believe it's worse to add a young QB to a good roster as opposed to adding a young QB to a bad roster?
Why? Isn't as simple as just finding a good QB in the draft or even FA? No?
So you're telling me if the Giants somehow lucked out and find a guy like Mark Brunnel in the next draft, that this wouldn't work? Why?
Don't answer. I don't want to know.
I presume the Giants blew it because they didn't draft the QB when YOU wanted them to. Might as well just stop watching them.
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...DJ is the reason they lost tonight.
But they now have a good foundation in place, on both sides of the ball.
They can now go out and find their QB.
The NFL doesn't work that way. You don't "build it" and then get the QB. The easy this organization operates it could take a decade to find the QB.
Of course the NFL can work this way. It may mean you use a lot of draft capital to trade up (like many teams have), or it may mean you sign a good FA (like the Rams did), but teams do it all the time.
We may be in an ideal situation believe it or not. Our team is getting better at all positions besides QB, yet we are still losing these stupid games. If we bench Jones we can finish pretty badly and get the best of both worlds, and improving team and a high draft pick
A) That you can't build a decent supporting cast and then find a QB
and
B) that the Giants as a franchise do not select QBs regularly enough to try the prior strategy.
I think B might be right, though I hope he's wrong and we do pick a QB. A) is clearly wrong.
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And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I don't think Schoen is going to have to "force" a QB pick. There will be QBs that grade out where our slot is; or he will move up in the draft to get his guy.
They have arguably the best defense in the league, a competitive OL and an exciting young WR1.
Big opportunity for a QB to come in and be our hero.
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And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
+1
We had 3 guys "grade out" at our slot in 2024 by a measure that's far more accurate than every amateur draft guide out there: they went 8, 10, and 12 when we were picking 6th.
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a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Then that injury clause kicks in. No. He has to stay healthy.
Maybe it would be worth it for the Giants to have to pay the injury clause just to get Jones out of our faces.
There were opportunities in the passing game that Jones’s simply missed. Throwing to covered WR’s when others were running wide open. Daboll is playing the good soldier by accepting the blame, but he knows what the problem is. If they don’t make a change, it’s on Schoen.
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And here we are in mid October, right about halfway through the college regular season, and I have not seen any QB separate from the pack. It’s a scary year to have a massive need at QB.
It's going to be interesting seeing everyone twist themselves into knots saying it's ok to force a QB pick in 2024 after saying you couldn't do it in 2023.
I don't think Schoen is going to have to "force" a QB pick. There will be QBs that grade out where our slot is; or he will move up in the draft to get his guy.
The franchise hasn't picked a QB in the draft since 2019, in any round.
That alone means the next QB selected will be "forced" to some degree. At least by any reasonable measure.
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a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, it is very bad to wish injury upon a player. Let's be better.
Yeah, right, "let's be better". While each of us continues to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars and five months of weekends on this team while they shit on us. Yeah, let's be better.
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a broken toe, or something like that? Something that would heal but not before the end of the season. I really don't want to see him in Giants uniform anymore.
Yes, it is very bad to wish injury upon a player. Let's be better.
Yeah, right, "let's be better". While each of us continues to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars and five months of weekends on this team while they shit on us. Yeah, let's be better.
You sound like a swell dude with his priorities in order.
I can't stand watching Jones anymore. In his 6th season he's still, locking onto 1 receiver pre snap and never coming off him, constantly throwing the ball short of sticks on 3rd down, not capable of making the throws necessary to force the defense to defend entire width and length of the field, unable to create enough explosive plays to win games, and panicking under pressure at least two or three times creating potential catastrophic game losing plays.
I have no idea whether the owner is requiring his approval to bench Jones or the GM and HC feel obligated to the owner to play Jones no matter what after giving him a way too rich 2nd contract. Or both. I don't care. Just bench him.
He has been paid 100 million dollars. Good for him. I never complain about NFL players getting paid. They deserve whatever they can get. It's a brutal sport/business. The Giants owe him nothing more.
He's produced a 25-41-1 record. Everyone has sen enough. He is what he is. One of the 5 worst starting QBs in the NFL. There aren't 5 NFL GMs or fan bases that would trade their starting QB for the Giants starting QB.
Whatever the reason is, it seems he's not going to be benched any time soon. So like a few other people on this thread have said I'm hoping for a minor, none surgical, injury that takes Daniel Jones out at least a month of games, hopefully more. A bad hamstring pull or turf toe. Something like that. Anything that will heal by February so he can pass a physical in March that keeps him playing any more games for the Giants. That's what I'm rooting for this point.
I think Daniel Jones is holding the entire team back. I 100% believe that if Tommy DeVito (who I know was inactivate) started the 2nd half Sunday night in place of Jones the Giants would have won the game. I have no illusions that Devito is anything more than a potential backup NFL QB. But unlike Jones he has a positive, contagious enthusiasm about him and he's not afraid to push the ball down the field. The home field advantage would have kicked in and the Giants would have won.