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Biteymax22 : 10/14/2024 8:57 am
My “non-emotional” thoughts from yesterday’s game. As always, feel free to argue with mine, add your own, etc…


Overview:

Giants 7, Bengals 17: Giants fall to 2-4 and maintain the status of last place in the NFC East, the good news is we have 11 games left, 4 against division opponents and are only two games back. The team is flashing signs here and there of good football, unfortunately they’re not consistent and sometimes it’s not both units on the same night. Last night was an example where I can speak glowingly about one side of the ball, but not the other. Holding this team to 17 points (7 of which were in borderline dead time) was quite a feat saying they were following outings of 33, 34 and 38. The Bengals are led by a top 3 QB and have arguably the best WR duo in the league, I also wouldn’t be shocked to see them go on a run after this game. Staying on the theme of one side of the ball outplaying the other, this Bengals team had just given up 38, 24 and 41 over the last 3 weeks so only scoring 7 was a horrible, horrible outing.
Something you’ll notice I repeat a lot is if you hold the other team under 20 in the NFL you should win the game. I’ll confidently make that comment about last night.


Offense:

1 – Starting with the OL. They’ve been good this year, very good compared to the past 12 years actually. Carmen Bricillo has quickly endeared himself to NY Giants fans and the additions amongst the line have all played well enough. With all that said, this was easily the offensive line’s worst game of the season. While Jones only took 2 sacks, he was under constant pressure all night and had a few balls tipped and batted from interior pressure. On top of this the running lanes weren’t there either. Altogether a bad showing which is odd since this may be the weakest front they’ve faced all year. Worth mentioning, Andrew Thomas had a poor game and as much as the OL has improved this year, is now on pace to have his worst season since his second. Something looks off with him, his punches don’t seem as strong and he’s giving more ground on bull rushes than normal, he may be fighting an injury, it may just be a bad season, worth monitoring.

2 – Jones looked more like the QB that his board is constantly complaining about. At this point in time, I think we all know he isn’t the long term answer and last night was a perfect example of why. Coming off his best game against a slightly better defense Jones followed it up with what I would call a “flat” performance at home in prime time. I was especially bothered by his interception in the red zone as it was very much a “rookie” play that he should have eaten. If Jones’ game is going to be short dink and dunks, you can’t make key mistakes like that. Though early in the game, even netting a field goal in this situation would have put us at a 10-10 tie going into the 4th quarter, and we would be looking at a different finish.

3 – With Nabers out there was a very valid question of “who would step up in his absence?” and after two games I think the answer isn’t another WR, its Tyrone Tracy. We’re the rushing stats good, not really, but there was nothing there for him most of the night yet he still found a way to impact the game positively. For starters, even though our OL was losing the battle in the trenches, Tracy found a way to minimize negative runs and consistently got back to the line of scrimmage even if facing a defender in the backfield. Second was that when there was a crease, he maximized the plays potential. Most importantly, from last night, he showed off his WR skills and wound up the team’s leading receiver. It was noticeable to me how much smoother Tracy was catching the ball and turning up the field in stride than our other RBs. Get him in the open field in these situations and he can be a legitimate weapon.


Defense:

1 – Originally, I found it curious that the game plan was to use Banks to cover Tee Higgins and a mix of Flott, Phillips and Jackson to cover Chase, however given the results I have give credit to Bowen for the game plan. While we didn’t exactly stop this duo, we didn’t let them wreck the game. Chase specifically is a player that can take over the game on his own and you happily take 5 for 72 from him any day of the week. I would still love to see another starting caliber CB added in the offseason, but this group has exceeded expectations this season and has not been the glaring weakness I thought they can be early in the year. Another good job by Jerome Henderson.

2 – Very much worth mentioning that with Kayvon Thibodeaux going on IR that both Brian Burns and Azeez Ojulari stepped up last night. Starting with Burns, I think he looks much more comfortable from the right side of the formation where Thibs would typically line up, worth watching for when he returns. As far as AO, possibly the best game we’ve seen in years from him. Where he would find a way to get sacks, the complaint with him was always that he would disappear between them. Last night he consistently won his match up and pressured the QB. Good game by him.

3 – I’m interested to see the blitz % numbers this morning (I do not go on Twitter or read any articles before writing these threads as I want uninfluenced thoughts). While typically I would make the comment that this defense plays better attacking, they managed to get consistent pressure yet didn’t seem to dial up the blitzes we’ve seen over the past few weeks. This is likely because Burrow can absolutely burn you in these situations and was the right move. If you were to tell me coming into the game, we’d hold him to 208 yards passing and his only TD would be a scramble, I’d sign up for it in a heartbeat.

Keep contain on one play and we’re having a different conversation this morning.


Coaching:

I’ve made my comments about Bowen and the defense (I thought they were good) so I’m going to focus mainly on Daboll and the offense in this section.

Since last night I’m going back and forth on whether I want to complain about the offensive game plan. The reality is that if this team doesn’t win the battle of the line of scrimmage to run the football, we don’t score. Teams know that Jones doesn’t throw the ball deep well at all and don’t respect it, if we’re not able to use the running game to create play action, we have no big plays. Where I have a bigger gripe with Daboll than the game plan is in the fact that this team again came out flat for another primetime game. Probably the most frustrating thing about following this team is that we don’t know what we’re going to get week to week. I’d like to see the team and the coaching staff do a little bit better of a job “seeing the blood in the water” and going for the kill shot. They just don’t seem to do it and it’s frustrating to watch.


Conclusion:

2-4 on the season and if we’re looking at the bright side, I can make an argument that if a few things bounce differently, we can be 5-1… I can also use this same argument to look at things from a negative light. However, I feel this team is in position to make a Texans style jump if you add a CJ Stroud in the next draft, to early to talk about that though.

For the next 11 games we need to find a way to create big plays if we want to win, period. Nabers getting back is going to be a huge help to this, but remember we only won one game that he played in, we can’t rely on a rookie to be the entire time. Run the ball, use play-action and dear god spend some time with Jones each practice just having him throw deep balls. If you don’t do that games will look a lot like last night, safeties up way in the box, CBs jumping on the first move etc… Our longest play was 15 yards last night, you don’t win games in the NFL like that. The defense is playing good enough for us to win, we have an offensive head coach and an all-world rookie WR and a possible new weapon in Tyrone Tracy. It’s your turn offense, put up or shut up.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2024 9:08 am : link
"Our longest play was 15 yards last night, you don’t win games in the NFL like that."

+1.
I thought Flott and Banks had really good nights  
cosmicj : 10/14/2024 9:13 am : link
Flott may be emerging as a starter.
Mostly agree  
56goat : 10/14/2024 9:14 am : link
but as you pointed out we could also be 0-6 if some breaks went the other way. DJ targeting Nabers over and over again, especially across the middle got him a concussion and out for 2 games. The same thing happened last night with Slayton - he took a beating in the middle of the field and was out for part of the game. DJ locking on 1 receiver isn't new news, but the Bengals know it too and it cost us. Defense showed up big time, but the O cost us the game.
We struck gold  
Big Tom : 10/14/2024 9:16 am : link
In the 5th rd in Tracy..If we could strike just Silver in a QB next year we would be a contender
that we all want..
We lost because we can’t score TDs, especially  
Simms11 : 10/14/2024 9:22 am : link
at home! We’ve scored 1 TD in three home games this year. Jones barely throws the ball into the EndZone and when he hits a receiver in the Red Zone the receiver never breaks a tackle to get in. Poor execution or play design?
Quick Note  
Biteymax22 : 10/14/2024 9:22 am : link
As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.
Daniel Jones is consistent  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/14/2024 9:25 am : link
Efficient and on the mark for a game, and then the same ol head scratcher to follow it up.
RE: Daniel Jones is consistent  
Ash_3 : 10/14/2024 9:26 am : link
In comment 16646606 gidiefor said:
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Efficient and on the mark for a game, and then the same ol head scratcher to follow it up.


The ratio is far more bad games to good games, which of course is the mark of a bad QB.
RE: Quick Note  
Ash_3 : 10/14/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16646591 Biteymax22 said:
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As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.


I also think this team likely needs to get draft an OT with upside relatively high in the next draft for Bricillo to work with. Thomas is an All-Pro, but his feet aren't the most physically sturdy.
good stuff as usual bitey - this line stands out to me  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2024 9:33 am : link
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. The team is flashing signs here and there of good football, unfortunately they’re not consistent and sometimes it’s not both units on the same night.


this is the key to the season imo, either daboll shows an ability to get the team to play more consistently or we will be in no man's land once again wonder whether or not he is the guy.

the inconsistency has been lessened, but we are still seeing games lost by dropped balls, untimely penalties, missed kicks, and brutal turnovers etc. that INT was on the same theo johnson throwback play that almost lost the CLE game and jones made the exact same mistake holding the ball too long.
The play of Jones is being sugarcoated  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2024 9:40 am : link
There is no "good" portion of his play. He took whatever the defense let him have. He played like a rookie 5th rd QB playing his first game. Guys like May, Williams, and Daniels are already much better than Jones, and it was Maye's first game. The kid threw for 250 yds, 3 TDs, and over 60% completions vs a much better defense than the lousy Cincy D. Plus his WRs absolutely suck, ours are much better

Just to recap our 6th year, $40M man, threw for 205 yds, had 53% completions, no TDs, and 1 horrible Int.
Here are my non emotional thoughts  
arniefez : 10/14/2024 9:45 am : link
F**k everyone named Mara or McDonnell who is listed on the Giants website for destroying and ruining any semblance of enjoyment of a life long family tradition, F**k Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll who are either too incompetent or too weak to replace Daniel Jones. And most of all F**K Daniel Jones. Good luck to him next week with Andrew Thomas out. He deserves whatever the outcome will be.
RE: RE: Daniel Jones is consistent  
NJLCO : 10/14/2024 9:45 am : link
In comment 16646608 Ash_3 said:
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Efficient and on the mark for a game, and then the same ol head scratcher to follow it up.



The ratio is far more bad games to good games, which of course is the mark of a bad QB.

He’s consistently is bad period. Notice last night how a QB throws open a receiver on the other side of the ball. Not even close with our guy. All that has to happen now is gets hurt and we’re screwed even more than we have been for these past 6 years. Think about that 6 years and we’re all talking about how about DJ’s inability to win.
It's worse than you think  
HomerJones45 : 10/14/2024 9:46 am : link
Jones is averaging 6 yards an attempt, he's thrown 6 td passes in 6 games. Stop talking about Seattle; their defense stinks (they've held one opponent this season under 20 points- Miami without Tua). In that game our offense scored 2 td's.

Bengals defense isn't good either. They gave up 10 to the Pats with Brisset on opening day. Their next lowest total is 24 to the Panthers. Our offense has 9 td's in 6 games. That is not nearly good enough.
May I add one non-emotional thought about our offense  
GiantBlue : 10/14/2024 9:48 am : link
Our offense looks so laborious moving down field....like the old clunky engine that doesn't know enough to break down. It sputters, black smoke coughing out of it and one mistake is enough.

This is the NFL where offenses are much more efficient.

I loved those 1990 Super Bowl long drives that kept the Bills offense off the field. We didn't make the mistakes then that constantly cripple this offense.

When we scored the TD after that long, dink and dunk drive, Cincy was back in our territory in three/four plays making it look easy.

My non-emotional thought is that we can't keep trying to win games with a clunky, dink and dunk offense where one mistake shuts us down.
RE: May I add one non-emotional thought about our offense  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16646660 GiantBlue said:
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Our offense looks so laborious moving down field....like the old clunky engine that doesn't know enough to break down. It sputters, black smoke coughing out of it and one mistake is enough.

This is the NFL where offenses are much more efficient.

I loved those 1990 Super Bowl long drives that kept the Bills offense off the field. We didn't make the mistakes then that constantly cripple this offense.

When we scored the TD after that long, dink and dunk drive, Cincy was back in our territory in three/four plays making it look easy.

My non-emotional thought is that we can't keep trying to win games with a clunky, dink and dunk offense where one mistake shuts us down.


We have no choice with Jones. Look at his pass patterns last night, all short completions. He can't throw deep accurately, and he just checks down all the time. Daboll is trying to win with what he has, I would bet if you talked to him he hates this.
Great summary  
Mike in NJ : 10/14/2024 9:51 am : link
Only thing I would disagree on is putting it on Daboll that the team came out flat. Looking at the performance of the defense or individual performances like Tracy, I can't really say it was a flat team effort. It was a flat (or what should be expected at this point) Daniel Jones effort. He's just not good and he makes the rest of the team look worse.

Is that on Daboll? Maybe, but what other option does he really have?
The OL is about to fall off a cliff too  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/14/2024 9:56 am : link
Thomas is damaged goods. Jones should be given the hook with a loss to Philly next week.
RE: May I add one non-emotional thought about our offense  
Biteymax22 : 10/14/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16646660 GiantBlue said:
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Our offense looks so laborious moving down field....like the old clunky engine that doesn't know enough to break down. It sputters, black smoke coughing out of it and one mistake is enough.

This is the NFL where offenses are much more efficient.

I loved those 1990 Super Bowl long drives that kept the Bills offense off the field. We didn't make the mistakes then that constantly cripple this offense.

When we scored the TD after that long, dink and dunk drive, Cincy was back in our territory in three/four plays making it look easy.

My non-emotional thought is that we can't keep trying to win games with a clunky, dink and dunk offense where one mistake shuts us down.


Since the changes to practice time in the CBA its been harder and harder for teams to continuously have 10+ drives that our mistake free, there just isn't enough practice time to execute that well. The teams that have succeeded are the ones that have pivoted to creating big plays and scoring that way. Currently our QB is allergic to creating big plays.
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Agree completely with the summary, Bitey.  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2024 10:12 am : link
I think it is becoming clear that Daboll simply doesn’t trust Daniel Jones with a full playbook. All the talk coming into this season was about trying to find chuck plays, and after how bad Jones has been on those plays, they seem to be largely out of the playbook now.

With Jones at QB, the only option you have is to have drives where he can complete 6/7 passes and the running game gets some nice runs and there are no penalties. Two incompletions, a tackle for loss or a holding call and the drive is done. You can’t win like that in the NFL.
Five years in and Daniel Jones hasn’t progressed one iota.  
Crispino : 10/14/2024 10:13 am : link
Either overthrows the deep ball or checks down to someone short of the first down marker. And that interception…enough said. He MUST go to a backup role after this season. Nobody we might get in the draft would be a downgrade.
RE: May I add one non-emotional thought about our offense  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16646660 GiantBlue said:
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Our offense looks so laborious moving down field....like the old clunky engine that doesn't know enough to break down. It sputters, black smoke coughing out of it and one mistake is enough.

This is the NFL where offenses are much more efficient.

I loved those 1990 Super Bowl long drives that kept the Bills offense off the field. We didn't make the mistakes then that constantly cripple this offense.

When we scored the TD after that long, dink and dunk drive, Cincy was back in our territory in three/four plays making it look easy.

My non-emotional thought is that we can't keep trying to win games with a clunky, dink and dunk offense where one mistake shuts us down.


I was thinking about this very subject and comparison and that team of 1990 was PHYSICAL, was controlling and played the clock. We are NOT that. We are a need play after play after play to move down the field. It isn't by design it is by necessity and by lack of ability. This team requires too much to go right just to MAYBE get get into position to score points. Not TO SCORE but to be in position to maybe be able to score points.. This offense is laborious, boring and at most times toothless bites...
RE: Five years in and Daniel Jones hasn’t progressed one iota.  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/14/2024 10:18 am : link
In comment 16646724 Crispino said:
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Either overthrows the deep ball or checks down to someone short of the first down marker. And that interception…enough said. He MUST go to a backup role after this season. Nobody we might get in the draft would be a downgrade.


Very true. One exception being the ball to Hyatt last night. Looked like that was a ball Hyatt should of had. About a foot or two overthrow but Hyatt gets pushed off his routes so easily
The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
Kanavis : 10/14/2024 10:21 am : link
Lost in all of the comments about the quality of DJ's play last night is his continued inability to protect himself.

So now we have 1. A coaching staff that is desperate to win. 2. A coaching staff that feels DJ gives them the best chance to win (even if limited) 3. A QB who cannot protect himself or get down normally. 4. A coaching staff that inexplicably calls for a lot of designed runs and doesn't even use 2nd and inches to run a regular play and 5. An injury clause that will kick in and hamper the team next year.

No matter what you think of DJ's play, and most of us know it isn't good enough, he was bowling into people like Earl Campbell yesterday. I applaud the toughness, but it has to stop. I know all QBs take shots and perhaps Burrow had it worse last night. But DJ leads with his head and has had neck injuries. Because of the injury clause he should be pulled sooner rather than later.
They outplayed us at the LOS  
BillT : 10/14/2024 10:31 am : link
Especially when they were on D. We thought they weren’t that good on the DL because they were injured. Healthy they’re a darn good defensive front and they won that matchup and the game along with it.
Watch the throw Burrow made on the move  
ajr2456 : 10/14/2024 10:31 am : link
To effectively ice the game. Could you picture Jones making that throw?

That’s the difference between a good QB and a bad one
If we played DeVito I feel very confident we would have  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2024 10:34 am : link
scored more than 7 points. In fact I would say its a given.
DeVito  
LG in NYC : 10/14/2024 10:37 am : link
I don't think he is the savior but I sure would prefer to watch him play at this point.

The Jones-led offense is just so freaking boring, in addition to being ineffective.
RE: DeVito  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2024 10:40 am : link
In comment 16646772 LG in NYC said:
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I don't think he is the savior but I sure would prefer to watch him play at this point.

The Jones-led offense is just so freaking boring, in addition to being ineffective.


I think DeVito gives them a better chance to win than Jones does. He certainly isn’t a big step down if he is one at all.
I have to violently disagree with this statement -  
Sam Huff : 10/14/2024 10:43 am : link
"the good news is we have 11 games left"

The good news would be if we had just one game left. 11 games left means we have 9-10 weekends of soul-sucking misery.
RE: RE: DeVito  
EJNNJ : 10/14/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16646778 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16646772 LG in NYC said:


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I don't think he is the savior but I sure would prefer to watch him play at this point.

The Jones-led offense is just so freaking boring, in addition to being ineffective.



I think DeVito gives them a better chance to win than Jones does. He certainly isn’t a big step down if he is one at all.



Eagles game will likely be the "Fat lady" for DJ, if he doesn't get it done we'll see Lock or Devito in game 8...
RE: RE: Quick Note  
Jack Stroud : 10/14/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16646612 Ash_3 said:
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In comment 16646591 Biteymax22 said:


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As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.



I also think this team likely needs to get draft an OT with upside relatively high in the next draft for Bricillo to work with. Thomas is an All-Pro, but his feet aren't the most physically sturdy.
How do you know anything about Thomas's feet?
BJ Hill. Another one They Gave Up On Too Soon  
LTIsTheGreatest : 10/14/2024 10:48 am : link
Would be nice to have him as part of the front 4 rotation
I mean, I just can't get emotional anymore anyway  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/14/2024 11:00 am : link
No joy, no pride, no anger, no disappointment.

...this team is just another garbage team in a boring league.

Why invest any energy in this team?
Cincy's 7 points in borderline dead time  
gridirony : 10/14/2024 11:06 am : link
was their seeing blood in the water and going for the kill shot. A biased Giant fan will not see that.

Daball-less plays not to lose, their greatest problem. It's extremely rare for the Giants to get a 2-score lead with just a few minutes, or more, left on the clock. In a one score game, a poorly coached team will consistently lose more games than they win.

I cannot watch the pre-designed garbage the Giants put out on the offensive side of the field, most weeks.

So, my question to you who watch every week, does Daboll ever design plays where all 3 WRs are sent out 10+ yards, the RB and TE stay in to only block, giving Danny Dinks NO option other than to throw 10+ yards?
they actually did have one long play of 60 yards, but  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/14/2024 11:07 am : link
but it was called back due to a penalty of Thomas being ever so slightly downfield. dallas scored a td against us even though 2 officials threw a flag at the feet of a lineman downfield. The booth told them to pick up the flag. My anything but non-emotional response is which is it, are the officials totally incompetent or corrupt and betting on games?

One of those 11 games left is against the Ravens. If Burrows can scramble for all those yards, what is Lamar Jackson going to do to our defense?

Other than those scrambles by Burrows, I thought our defense really played great. However both the offense and the field goal kicker absolutely sucked.
RE: The OL is about to fall off a cliff too  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/14/2024 11:11 am : link
In comment 16646684 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Thomas is damaged goods. Jones should be given the hook with a loss to Philly next week.


I predicted he'd be benched before the Steelers game... What do I win?
RE: RE: RE: Quick Note  
Ash_3 : 10/14/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16646801 Jack Stroud said:
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As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.



I also think this team likely needs to get draft an OT with upside relatively high in the next draft for Bricillo to work with. Thomas is an All-Pro, but his feet aren't the most physically sturdy.

How do you know anything about Thomas's feet?


Other than the feet pictures, Jack (and they're great btw; Thomas has such hot feet. Lmk if you'd like me to share), my claim is speculative but entirely unfounded--Thomas had an ankle injury last year and this year he's dealing with another foot/foot adjacent issue. Doesn't mean throw the guy out--he's an All Pro. It just means taking swing tackle seriously.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Quick Note  
Ash_3 : 10/14/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16646843 Ash_3 said:
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In comment 16646612 Ash_3 said:


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In comment 16646591 Biteymax22 said:


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As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.



I also think this team likely needs to get draft an OT with upside relatively high in the next draft for Bricillo to work with. Thomas is an All-Pro, but his feet aren't the most physically sturdy.

How do you know anything about Thomas's feet?



Other than the feet pictures, Jack (and they're great btw; Thomas has such hot feet. Lmk if you'd like me to share), my claim is speculative but entirely unfounded--Thomas had an ankle injury last year and this year he's dealing with another foot/foot adjacent issue. Doesn't mean throw the guy out--he's an All Pro. It just means taking swing tackle seriously.


*not entirely
RE: The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/14/2024 11:20 am : link
In comment 16646740 Kanavis said:
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Lost in all of the comments about the quality of DJ's play last night is his continued inability to protect himself.

So now we have 1. A coaching staff that is desperate to win. 2. A coaching staff that feels DJ gives them the best chance to win (even if limited) 3. A QB who cannot protect himself or get down normally. 4. A coaching staff that inexplicably calls for a lot of designed runs and doesn't even use 2nd and inches to run a regular play and 5. An injury clause that will kick in and hamper the team next year.

No matter what you think of DJ's play, and most of us know it isn't good enough, he was bowling into people like Earl Campbell yesterday. I applaud the toughness, but it has to stop. I know all QBs take shots and perhaps Burrow had it worse last night. But DJ leads with his head and has had neck injuries. Because of the injury clause he should be pulled sooner rather than later.



IMO it's not toughness.

It's stupidity. IMO, Jones is just not intelligent enough to play QB in the NFL.

When the bullets fly, he panics and does what comes naturally to him- run straight ahead.

He cannot process anything. Even protecting himself.
RE: they actually did have one long play of 60 yards, but  
jpetuch : 10/14/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16646836 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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but it was called back due to a penalty of Thomas being ever so slightly downfield. dallas scored a td against us even though 2 officials threw a flag at the feet of a lineman downfield. The booth told them to pick up the flag. My anything but non-emotional response is which is it, are the officials totally incompetent or corrupt and betting on games?

One of those 11 games left is against the Ravens. If Burrows can scramble for all those yards, what is Lamar Jackson going to do to our defense?

Other than those scrambles by Burrows, I thought our defense really played great. However both the offense and the field goal kicker absolutely sucked.


Yesterday watching the games on Sunday Ticket I saw a bunch of these illegal man downfield penalties. Cost a bunch of teams TDs. Seemed like this is becoming a more common call these days. Kast nights was borderline but like another one called during the day games with the OL having his back downfield.
BiteyMax22  
M.S. : 10/14/2024 11:43 am : link
Nice write-up. Very informative.

On another thread I wrote the following about Cincy’s first TD:

What was #31 Tyler Nubin doing on Joe Burrow's near 50-yard stroll in the park for a touchdown? The Giants defensive LOS was already over-loaded to the right when a gaping hole very quickly opens up to the left. Our rookie Safety was 10 yards off the LOS and he comes rushing forward to cover a TE who is curling out to the exact opposite side from which Joe Burrow starts his run. Open your eyes young man!!! Look around. I don't care if you were on the other side of the field. You were literally running in the opposite direction of where the QB was headed.
RE: RE: The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
Biteymax22 : 10/14/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16646855 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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Lost in all of the comments about the quality of DJ's play last night is his continued inability to protect himself.

So now we have 1. A coaching staff that is desperate to win. 2. A coaching staff that feels DJ gives them the best chance to win (even if limited) 3. A QB who cannot protect himself or get down normally. 4. A coaching staff that inexplicably calls for a lot of designed runs and doesn't even use 2nd and inches to run a regular play and 5. An injury clause that will kick in and hamper the team next year.

No matter what you think of DJ's play, and most of us know it isn't good enough, he was bowling into people like Earl Campbell yesterday. I applaud the toughness, but it has to stop. I know all QBs take shots and perhaps Burrow had it worse last night. But DJ leads with his head and has had neck injuries. Because of the injury clause he should be pulled sooner rather than later.




IMO it's not toughness.

It's stupidity. IMO, Jones is just not intelligent enough to play QB in the NFL.

When the bullets fly, he panics and does what comes naturally to him- run straight ahead.

He cannot process anything. Even protecting himself.


You touched on something here. For as much as we hear about how tough Jones is, he seems to wilt under any amount of pressure. I'd also make the comment that despite the fact we also hear about how smart he is, his play on the field has never reflected that. I'd actually say he has a very low football IQ for a QB.

I think the Duke pedigree and way he handles himself in the media have garnered him credit for qualities that aren't actually there.
RE: RE: RE: The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
FStubbs : 10/14/2024 11:46 am : link
In comment 16646881 Biteymax22 said:
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In comment 16646740 Kanavis said:


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Lost in all of the comments about the quality of DJ's play last night is his continued inability to protect himself.

So now we have 1. A coaching staff that is desperate to win. 2. A coaching staff that feels DJ gives them the best chance to win (even if limited) 3. A QB who cannot protect himself or get down normally. 4. A coaching staff that inexplicably calls for a lot of designed runs and doesn't even use 2nd and inches to run a regular play and 5. An injury clause that will kick in and hamper the team next year.

No matter what you think of DJ's play, and most of us know it isn't good enough, he was bowling into people like Earl Campbell yesterday. I applaud the toughness, but it has to stop. I know all QBs take shots and perhaps Burrow had it worse last night. But DJ leads with his head and has had neck injuries. Because of the injury clause he should be pulled sooner rather than later.




IMO it's not toughness.

It's stupidity. IMO, Jones is just not intelligent enough to play QB in the NFL.

When the bullets fly, he panics and does what comes naturally to him- run straight ahead.

He cannot process anything. Even protecting himself.



You touched on something here. For as much as we hear about how tough Jones is, he seems to wilt under any amount of pressure. I'd also make the comment that despite the fact we also hear about how smart he is, his play on the field has never reflected that. I'd actually say he has a very low football IQ for a QB.

I think the Duke pedigree and way he handles himself in the media have garnered him credit for qualities that aren't actually there.


He's probably smart. He can probably show you everything you'd expect a franchise QB to show you on film. He's probably good there just like he's got a good work ethic.

Just doesn't translate on the field. Mike Tyson said "everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Well, Jones has a plan and he's going to stick with it even when it's not working.
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FStubbs : 10/14/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16646843 Ash_3 said:
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As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.



I also think this team likely needs to get draft an OT with upside relatively high in the next draft for Bricillo to work with. Thomas is an All-Pro, but his feet aren't the most physically sturdy.

How do you know anything about Thomas's feet?



Other than the feet pictures, Jack (and they're great btw; Thomas has such hot feet. Lmk if you'd like me to share), my claim is speculative but entirely unfounded--Thomas had an ankle injury last year and this year he's dealing with another foot/foot adjacent issue. Doesn't mean throw the guy out--he's an All Pro. It just means taking swing tackle seriously.


Trent Williams' body gave out on him for a couple of years before he got healthy again.

Shut Thomas down for the season and let him heal if he's playing with a bunch of injuries.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
Biteymax22 : 10/14/2024 11:51 am : link
In comment 16646882 FStubbs said:
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In comment 16646881 Biteymax22 said:


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In comment 16646855 SirLoinOfBeef said:


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In comment 16646740 Kanavis said:


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Lost in all of the comments about the quality of DJ's play last night is his continued inability to protect himself.

So now we have 1. A coaching staff that is desperate to win. 2. A coaching staff that feels DJ gives them the best chance to win (even if limited) 3. A QB who cannot protect himself or get down normally. 4. A coaching staff that inexplicably calls for a lot of designed runs and doesn't even use 2nd and inches to run a regular play and 5. An injury clause that will kick in and hamper the team next year.

No matter what you think of DJ's play, and most of us know it isn't good enough, he was bowling into people like Earl Campbell yesterday. I applaud the toughness, but it has to stop. I know all QBs take shots and perhaps Burrow had it worse last night. But DJ leads with his head and has had neck injuries. Because of the injury clause he should be pulled sooner rather than later.




IMO it's not toughness.

It's stupidity. IMO, Jones is just not intelligent enough to play QB in the NFL.

When the bullets fly, he panics and does what comes naturally to him- run straight ahead.

He cannot process anything. Even protecting himself.



You touched on something here. For as much as we hear about how tough Jones is, he seems to wilt under any amount of pressure. I'd also make the comment that despite the fact we also hear about how smart he is, his play on the field has never reflected that. I'd actually say he has a very low football IQ for a QB.

I think the Duke pedigree and way he handles himself in the media have garnered him credit for qualities that aren't actually there.



He's probably smart. He can probably show you everything you'd expect a franchise QB to show you on film. He's probably good there just like he's got a good work ethic.

Just doesn't translate on the field. Mike Tyson said "everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Well, Jones has a plan and he's going to stick with it even when it's not working.


I definitely think there's a difference between being smart and having a good football IQ. Jones may be smart, he certainly does not have a good football IQ or feel for the game.
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Ash_3 : 10/14/2024 11:51 am : link
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As I mentioned I go out of my way to not go on Twitter or read through any articles before writing and posting this thread, I did not see that Andrew Thomas went for an MRI after the game.

Not shocked and I think he's been dealing with whatever is going on since the Cleveland game.



I also think this team likely needs to get draft an OT with upside relatively high in the next draft for Bricillo to work with. Thomas is an All-Pro, but his feet aren't the most physically sturdy.

How do you know anything about Thomas's feet?



Other than the feet pictures, Jack (and they're great btw; Thomas has such hot feet. Lmk if you'd like me to share), my claim is speculative but entirely unfounded--Thomas had an ankle injury last year and this year he's dealing with another foot/foot adjacent issue. Doesn't mean throw the guy out--he's an All Pro. It just means taking swing tackle seriously.



Trent Williams' body gave out on him for a couple of years before he got healthy again.

Shut Thomas down for the season and let him heal if he's playing with a bunch of injuries.


Yep totally possible--hoping that's the case for AT too.
RE: RE: The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
Kanavis : 10/14/2024 11:53 am : link
In comment 16646855 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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IMO it's not toughness.

It's stupidity. IMO, Jones is just not intelligent enough to play QB in the NFL.

When the bullets fly, he panics and does what comes naturally to him- run straight ahead.

He cannot process anything. Even protecting himself.


Yes...you are right. I hadn't thought of it this way, but perhaps the head-runs are just more bad decision-making and processing. Either way, we need to avoid the injury clause for next year.
RE: RE: RE: The Perfect Storm Approaches...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/14/2024 11:58 am : link
In comment 16646881 Biteymax22 said:
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In comment 16646855 SirLoinOfBeef said:


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In comment 16646740 Kanavis said:


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Lost in all of the comments about the quality of DJ's play last night is his continued inability to protect himself.

So now we have 1. A coaching staff that is desperate to win. 2. A coaching staff that feels DJ gives them the best chance to win (even if limited) 3. A QB who cannot protect himself or get down normally. 4. A coaching staff that inexplicably calls for a lot of designed runs and doesn't even use 2nd and inches to run a regular play and 5. An injury clause that will kick in and hamper the team next year.

No matter what you think of DJ's play, and most of us know it isn't good enough, he was bowling into people like Earl Campbell yesterday. I applaud the toughness, but it has to stop. I know all QBs take shots and perhaps Burrow had it worse last night. But DJ leads with his head and has had neck injuries. Because of the injury clause he should be pulled sooner rather than later.




IMO it's not toughness.

It's stupidity. IMO, Jones is just not intelligent enough to play QB in the NFL.

When the bullets fly, he panics and does what comes naturally to him- run straight ahead.

He cannot process anything. Even protecting himself.



You touched on something here. For as much as we hear about how tough Jones is, he seems to wilt under any amount of pressure. I'd also make the comment that despite the fact we also hear about how smart he is, his play on the field has never reflected that. I'd actually say he has a very low football IQ for a QB.

I think the Duke pedigree and way he handles himself in the media have garnered him credit for qualities that aren't actually there.


He looked the part.

That was all Gettleman needed.

A fine upstanding young man to present to Mara.

Mara said "I think you'll do".

Nobody read the signs...
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