Sans an agreement to tank in return for coming back, I think Daboll is a goner. I don't think they'll intentionally tank. They'll win another couple games, and pick top ten. It'll be a struggle to get back to 6 wins.
Mara said he wants improvement. Despite adding a top WR, and a functional OL, the O is meh, at best. That's Dabs' side of the ball, and after (allegedly) pounding the table for Nabers over a QB, and taking over play calling, he simply isn't getting the job done.
DJ, with any luck, will be gone. IF the replacement is a draft pick (with or without a bridge QB), I would rather bring in a new HC, rather than saddling the youngster with Dabs on the hotseat, and quite possibly (probably?) having to learn a new system in year 2.
So, who's at the top of your wish list?
Or, alternatively, what odds do you give Dabs to get the boot?
The next month or so will determine the season.
Neither of those have happened at this point.
Daboll did not coach scared last night. HE went for it on 4th down all night long. He didn't have a kicker and the offense turned it over in the RZ. Shit happens. Not on Daboll.
Would Vrabel, Belichick or another coordinator be an upgrade? I'm not sure. I think Vrable could be. Belichick, I'm not sure. Also, there's no guarantee either one would want to come to NY.
Brian Flores has a pending lawsuit against the Giants. He’s not coming here.
I would like to see him back too. The Giants are close. A lot closer than many think. They have a huge albatross at qb. Fix the qb position and they will start winning games. The defense is flying around out there and will be infused with more talent in the offseason. Talent on this team is leaps and bounds above where it was a year or two ago.
I am not convinced that he will be back with where things are starting to go..
Dabs has 2 things going for him:
He has 2 years left on his contract. After Reeves, there's a aversion to having a lame duck coach, and it would have been hard to give him an extension off a lousy year. 2 years left avoids that, plus the financial side factors in his favor.
DJ could take the blame. As said, it's hard to win with him as QB. On the flip side, though, Dabs was likely involved in the decision to re-sign DJ. Alternatively, if Dabs was over ruled by Schoen/Mara, they might hold it against Dabs for not advancing the talent they see in DJ. This one is a double edged sword.
The kicker gaff is 100% on Daboll/Schoen. Inexcusable.
Get them a QB.
But this highlights the baffling decision to bring in a backup universally considered worse than DJ. They were more than willing to leave DJ out to dry with all the talk about wanting to upgrade, but then brought in a backup who is not a threat and didn't address the position in the draft other than trying to trade up. Dabs may not have final say, but he still gets major say.
If they're anyone good, they're gone after two seasons. Maybe one.
I don't like the idea of keeping a HC for year 4 if your big argument is the team seems to play hard. I also don't like the offensive vision.
If they move on from him I think ownership goes with experience. I like the Detroit OC who will be in high demand.
He is 8-15 over last two seasons
10-20-1 since a 7-2 start
This team has scored under 10 pts in 2 of 6 games this season
If they're anyone good, they're gone after two seasons. Maybe one.
That's the big question. IDK. McDaniels? Doug Pederson?
Now, if you want to kill Daboll for sticking with Jones, okay, that's a different argument.
I contend, however, Schoen decided on Jones more than Daboll. And that Daboll went along with the idea because he's arrogant enough to believe he can still make chicken salad. He did it once with Jones, so he thought it could work again be re-attaching the training wheels and exploiting the upgraded talent on the OL and the weapons.
Same stupid argument. In what universe were they going to get either QB? Just because they wanted someone doesn't mean that the team with the whip hand is going to roll over for any price.
Last night, they held the Bengals to 17 points and one of the best QBs in the game to zero TD passes. Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins, arguably the best WR duo in the NFL, were held to 6-72 and 7-77 with no scores. Obviously, the two long runs they allowed weren't great. But outside of those two plays, the defense was actually pretty dominant and stopping this Bengals team is pretty impressive.
Also if the only way to keep your job is to win 9 games with 6 win roster, the applicant pool is going to dwindle.
Agree. I mentioned it in either this or a previous thread but you get the sense that he's been told he is safe. His interviews in game and postgame seem to suggest that. Almost as though he was told to get this team competitive and get good film on tape - which he has. The obvious elephant in the room is the qb. Fix the qb and this team will start winning. I have faith in the coaching staff - both Bowen and Dabs.
I think we keep him. And I prefer to keep him. Put an average qb on this team and the Giants are 4-2 or 5-1 with how these games have played out.
Also, 4th down on your own 38yd line? I love being aggressive but that was just boneheaded.
He's been coached not to make stupid mistakes for six years...yet it continues to be an issue.
Dabol isn't perfect by any means but the QB play isn't consistently good.
I would like to see what he can do.
2) I have no idea who I want to be the HC and no idea who I think should be the HC
3) As great as he is, I don't think I want Belichick here. Mostly, that is because I don't want Belichick to be the GM or have GM-like input and authority over personnel. He is a genius coach, but his executive skills are lacking.
4) I do think a new coach with a new QB is a huge positive step. It's just who will those 2 be?
2) I have no idea who I want to be the HC and no idea who I think should be the HC
3) As great as he is, I don't think I want Belichick here. Mostly, that is because I don't want Belichick to be the GM or have GM-like input and authority over personnel. He is a genius coach, but his executive skills are lacking.
4) I do think a new coach with a new QB is a huge positive step. It's just who will those 2 be?
I believe the bigger problem is Schoen. I give Daboll much more credit for getting this team a playoff spot in 2022- and six-wins last year despite an old NFL back-up and a UDFA rookie QB.
Further, I think the org chart is misaligned at 1925 Giants Way. The GM should report to the HC, not vice versa. That's the way San Fran and Denver do it. Let the HC dictate what he wants from the GM; and then the GM and his team make personnel recommendations and do the accounting for the cap.
Vrabel? Who’s his OC? If he does find a good one, he’ll be gone soon since most teams want an offensive minded head coach, and rightly so. Changing OC’s and schemes every few years isn’t conducive to consistency on offense. Daboll isn’t the problem, Jones is.
The other major issue I have is the past 2 years he’s fucked up the punt returner to start the season. Whether it’s an injury or not having an established one on the roster is a killer.
Same goes for the kicker 2 years in a row.
All these are inexcusable but correctable so it’s completely baffling to me.
The team plays hard for him, they don’t quit, and I think he tries to call plays for the limitations of the offense.
I’m really torn because I think he’s a good coach but what I mentioned above is inexcusable for a head coach.
He needs the Qb to take the next step.
Now, if you want to kill Daboll for sticking with Jones, okay, that's a different argument.
I contend, however, Schoen decided on Jones more than Daboll. And that Daboll went along with the idea because he's arrogant enough to believe he can still make chicken salad. He did it once with Jones, so he thought it could work again be re-attaching the training wheels and exploiting the upgraded talent on the OL and the weapons.
If Daboll was an architect (head coach), he'd likely design a 1,000' skyscraper (his offensive play designs) using 2X4s (Jones).