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Hate to pile on DJ but look @ the choice he made on 4th down

FranknWeezer : 10/14/2024 3:28 pm
on this particular throw last night.

Door numbers A (Slayton) and C (Theo) were wide open and well lit. He chose the dank and dingy Door number B (WDR).
"He chose....poooorly" - ( New Window )
He locks on to his first read  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/14/2024 3:30 pm : link
An issue that he’s had for 6 years now. Embarrassing.
That was awful, and unfortunately  
Bill in UT : 10/14/2024 3:32 pm : link
that was only one of a half dozen throws just like it
You can say the same thing on the last fourth down  
BH28 : 10/14/2024 3:33 pm : link
he locked on to Slaytong and Robinson was wide open. I think even a defender early in the season said the same thing about Jones.
Awful.  
IchabodGiant : 10/14/2024 3:34 pm : link
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We know  
X : 10/14/2024 3:36 pm : link
Slayton was wide open. Robinson was open if DJ threw it sooner. This is maddening but that is DJ. One read and then he throws it or runs.
And people are saying this current college QB draft will be weak??  
ThomasG : 10/14/2024 3:37 pm : link
I think many, if not all, of them can make a better read/throw than this clown.

He Plays Scared  
Big Tom : 10/14/2024 3:39 pm : link
He so involved in "Not Making a Mistake ",that he
makes more mistakes then he should. He doesn't
trust himself.He would be a terrible law enforcement officer..He'd be dead already, or shot someone who was innocent.
RE: And people are saying this current college QB draft will be weak??  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16647259 ThomasG said:
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I think many, if not all, of them can make a better read/throw than this clown.


There are a lot of posters on this board who are dedicated members of the Draft-Sure-Things-Only-Society.

RE: RE: And people are saying this current college QB draft will be weak??  
ThomasG : 10/14/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16647275 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16647259 ThomasG said:


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I think many, if not all, of them can make a better read/throw than this clown.




There are a lot of posters on this board who are dedicated members of the Draft-Sure-Things-Only-Society.


Ok, I am SURE many of the college prospects on my short list can make a better read/throw.

Do I get to come to the society meetings now?
The other two options didn't turn around  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2024 3:50 pm : link
until the ball was already out and the defenders then reacted to that action.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2024 3:51 pm : link
Not piling on. That's a horrible decision. A QB in his SIXTH season cannot do that.

He was awful last night. If he had an adequate QB, we win that game & are right in the thick of the NFC East race.
I can't understand this. So obvious  
Blue21 : 10/14/2024 3:53 pm : link
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Dabs  
Blue100 : 10/14/2024 3:53 pm : link
We have to see the tape.........Watching inaccurate passes week after week, unless you blame the receivers or OL,why is he letting the scholarship guy still start?

As someone last night said, we are averaging 15 points per game how much worse under Locke or DeVito? And we have not played awesome defenses to date.
He is a big dummy and blind as a bat  
averagejoe : 10/14/2024 4:11 pm : link
Slayton was never covered. Jones football IQ is zero. No feel or anticipation at all. Every QB in the NFL makes that read and throw to Slayton. Not Daniel . He was a QB born without instincts at all. It's sad to watch .
It's like he can't throw to a guy unless he stops and turns around  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/14/2024 4:23 pm : link
...it so freaking maddening.

What does he think, a player that is not moving will stay open? That a defender won't get there to break it up (or flatten the receiver)? What is this, high school?!?
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16647286 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not piling on. That's a horrible decision. A QB in his SIXTH season cannot do that.

He was awful last night. If he had an adequate QB, we win that game & are right in the thick of the NFC East race.


Our already hard working QB will just have to work harder. And that shouldn't be a problem because that - apparently - is Jones's greatest attribute.

I'm hopeful that in year seven that hard work starts to manifest on the field.
RE: The other two options didn't turn around  
Ron Johnson : 10/14/2024 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16647284 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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until the ball was already out and the defenders then reacted to that action.



people who've never played have all the answers
RE: The other two options didn't turn around  
Hammer : 10/14/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16647284 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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until the ball was already out and the defenders then reacted to that action.


That's a ridiculous take.

Slayton is breaking to the outside and the corner covering him has inside leverage with his hips turned to the middle of the field. There is no way that he can get to the ball if it's thrown towards the sideline. It's impossible.

Before Jones throws the ball it is obvious that Slayton is going to be wide open but no, he throws the ball to the only receiver on that side of the field that has a defender breaking on the route.

If an idiot like me can see that so can the rest of the league.
RE: The other two options didn't turn around  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16647284 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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until the ball was already out and the defenders then reacted to that action.


You've heard of the concept of timing patterns, right?
Bw  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2024 5:10 pm : link
Pretty clear to me you never played the position so don't act like you have.


RE: Bw  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16647397 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Pretty clear to me you never played the position so don't act like you have.



Nice try. Have you heard of timing patterns or not?

If not, it means throwing the ball before the receiver starts to turn and receive the ball.

You're welcome.
My experience  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2024 5:20 pm : link
with the position is a lot more than yours and it is clear you never played the position Bw.
RE: My experience  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16647410 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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with the position is a lot more than yours and it is clear you never played the position Bw.


I hope you don't hurt your hand patting yourself on the back.

As expected, no answer to my straightforward question.
Are you disputing his substantive claim  
Ash_3 : 10/14/2024 5:24 pm : link
or just asserting authority? Happy to concede your authority (I mean I don't really care, it's a message board). But it's strange that you're not challenging him on the merits.

RE: RE: Bw  
ThomasG : 10/14/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16647403 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16647397 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Pretty clear to me you never played the position so don't act like you have.





Nice try. Have you heard of timing patterns or not?

If not, it means throwing the ball before the receiver starts to turn and receive the ball.


Stop making things up. Everybody knows there is no such thing as timing patterns. How do you expect to complete a football pass based on timing...that could never happen.
he just waits too long...  
BillKo : 10/14/2024 5:47 pm : link
...if he wants to go to Robinson.

Ball should be in the air before he's turning around.
Agree Bilko  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2024 5:52 pm : link
Not the best throw and the WR could have run a better route at the end of it.

Either the ball needed to be out quicker or he should have waited a half second more for the outside route.

Theo Johnson is a fast guy and an athlete  
cosmicj : 10/14/2024 6:00 pm : link
It’s possible he would have scored on that play. Awful.

What is this franchise doing?
RE: You can say the same thing on the last fourth down  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2024 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16647251 BH28 said:
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he locked on to Slaytong and Robinson was wide open. I think even a defender early in the season said the same thing about Jones.


Yes that was just as bad. Same thing really. Robinson was 2 yds clear of anyone and would probably have gotten 10-20 yards. Instead he locks onto Slayton, who is tightly covered, and tries to jamb the ball in there.
This is also why I push back on complaints about Dabolls play calling  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2024 6:03 pm : link
These guys are open, its Jones just not throwing to them. Daboll has good schemes and gets guys open
RE: RE: RE: Bw  
200711 : 10/14/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16647426 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16647403 bw in dc said:


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In comment 16647397 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Pretty clear to me you never played the position so don't act like you have.





Nice try. Have you heard of timing patterns or not?

If not, it means throwing the ball before the receiver starts to turn and receive the ball.




Stop making things up. Everybody knows there is no such thing as timing patterns. How do you expect to complete a football pass based on timing...that could never happen.


Is someone seriously still making excuses for Jones?

And posturing as someone with superior insight because of some ghost-claim of once being a QB himself?

RE: This is also why I push back on complaints about Dabolls play calling  
cosmicj : 10/14/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16647459 PatersonPlank said:
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These guys are open, its Jones just not throwing to them. Daboll has good schemes and gets guys open


Good point. It’s like Fred Astaire being paired with an obese woman.
RE: This is also why I push back on complaints about Dabolls play calling  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 6:12 pm : link
In comment 16647459 PatersonPlank said:
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These guys are open, its Jones just not throwing to them. Daboll has good schemes and gets guys open


If you look at Jones's throwing charts, he much prefers to go underneath and between the numbers. And it's pretty clear that Hilton expects/knows that and moves quickly to the spot where Robinson is going. Easiest read ever for him.

Meanwhile, Anthony, the single high safety, is completely confused and running backwards to get into position. IMV, Jones should have read that and exploited the seam route for Johnson. That would have been a huge play.
RE: He is a big dummy and blind as a bat  
Adirondack GMen : 10/14/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16647323 averagejoe said:
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Slayton was never covered. Jones football IQ is zero. No feel or anticipation at all. Every QB in the NFL makes that read and throw to Slayton. Not Daniel . He was a QB born without instincts at all. It's sad to watch .

I was watching the game in bed...nuff said. I saw the play and yelled thats they guy he open and Jones throws to a double covered receiver!
We had the same discussion last year. Man open in the end zone Jones throws a pick to a double covered receiver. Jones doesn't see the field.
Where the tennis ball drill Dab seas known for? Have 5 guys lined up in throwing zones with tennis balls- after the snap have them throw tennis balls in seconds interval. Jones has to catch the ball or react to the area the ball was thrown...why not try it. It makes his head move or he gets pegged with a ball. Three pegs and he run sprints.
If he can't get through that drill he doesn't belong on the field..
RE: He is a big dummy and blind as a bat  
Adirondack GMen : 10/14/2024 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16647323 averagejoe said:
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Slayton was never covered. Jones football IQ is zero. No feel or anticipation at all. Every QB in the NFL makes that read and throw to Slayton. Not Daniel . He was a QB born without instincts at all. It's sad to watch .

I was watching the game in bed...nuff said. I saw the play and yelled thats they guy he open and Jones throws to a double covered receiver!
We had the same discussion last year. Man open in the end zone Jones throws a pick to a double covered receiver. Jones doesn't see the field.
Where the tennis ball drill Dab seas known for? Have 5 guys lined up in throwing zones with tennis balls- after the snap have them throw tennis balls in seconds interval. Jones has to catch the ball or react to the area the ball was thrown...why not try it. It makes his head move or he gets pegged with a ball. Three pegs and he run sprints.
If he can't get through that drill he doesn't belong on the field..
I can’t believe we are going through this in year 6  
cosmicj : 10/14/2024 6:24 pm : link
start DeVito.
RE: This is also why I push back on complaints about Dabolls play calling  
Matt M. : 10/14/2024 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16647459 PatersonPlank said:
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These guys are open, its Jones just not throwing to them. Daboll has good schemes and gets guys open
I've been going through this all season. I initially get frustrated with our offensive production and lump Daboll in. Then watch some replays, all 22, etc. and see guys open and ease off Daboll. There is one constant problem with our offense. And, I really wish people would stop hanging on 2022 as if it was a great accomplishment. We had a mediocre offense and the QB play was mediocre. It's just that the team overall did just enough to make the playoffs.
RE: Are you disputing his substantive claim  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2024 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16647416 Ash_3 said:
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or just asserting authority? Happy to concede your authority (I mean I don't really care, it's a message board). But it's strange that you're not challenging him on the merits.


No. The question that poster asked has nothing to do with my initial post on this thread and was not applicable to that timeframe I mentioned.
Let's review...  
bw in dc : 10/14/2024 7:54 pm : link
LoS wrote:

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The other two options didn't turn around
Lines of Scrimmage : 3:50 pm : link : reply
until the ball was already out and the defenders then reacted to that action.


Can you please explain what that means because it sure as hells reads like you believe the QB can't throw the ball unless the receiver is watching him.
RE: RE: This is also why I push back on complaints about Dabolls play calling  
Mike from SI : 10/14/2024 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16647520 Matt M. said:
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In comment 16647459 PatersonPlank said:


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These guys are open, its Jones just not throwing to them. Daboll has good schemes and gets guys open

I've been going through this all season. I initially get frustrated with our offensive production and lump Daboll in. Then watch some replays, all 22, etc. and see guys open and ease off Daboll. There is one constant problem with our offense. And, I really wish people would stop hanging on 2022 as if it was a great accomplishment. We had a mediocre offense and the QB play was mediocre. It's just that the team overall did just enough to make the playoffs.


Also Minnesota had an abominable defense for a playoff team that year. Then we ran into the Eagles. The games looked a tad different.
It means what I wrote  
Bw. There is a lot that goes into timing routes within a play and I commented on when the ball was released. He had a chance at all three options with different risk/difficulty levels. He was late on the throw he made.

I  
Giants4me : 7:41 pm : link
was at the game, that play was so bad there are no words.
If you have 30 guys with the same situation only one throws where Jones did.

Imagine being Dabol and having to watch that?
RE: It means what I wrote  
bw in dc : 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16647910 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Bw. There is a lot that goes into timing routes within a play and I commented on when the ball was released. He had a chance at all three options with different risk/difficulty levels. He was late on the throw he made.


That sounds cleaner, but that's not all what you said.

You specifically ruled out the other two options - Slayton on the out and Johnson on the seam - because "they didn't turn around".

Either you realize now how silly that sounds or, worse, you don't realize how silly that sounds.
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