The Andrew Thomas injury concerns me. At the time of this writing, we do not have an update on the foot injury. Whether it is good or bad, there is concern about his ankle/foot issues becoming a chronic thing that will eventually catch up to him.
This is why it’s absolutely insane they’ve wasted his time with Daniel Jones as his quarterback. If it does end up being a chronic issue that hampers him the rest of his career, it’s disappointing that we could have wasted his best years.
Because of the nature of the sport, windows are short and the Giants are wasting the primes of Thomas and Lawrence
"The few opportunities where he had a receiver open 10+ yards downfield? He misfired on all of them. Jones did not make a single thing happen through the air when throwing the ball over ten yards. The stat line is poor. The tape was worse."
Why is Daniel Jones so bad at MetLife? I mean we’ve seen him be at least serviceable on the road throughout his career. At Home he plays like a third string QB 95% of the time. I’ve never seen a professional athlete struggle to play at home more than he does, in any sport.
fruits of a rebuild finally. It felt like this was constantly happening over the last 10 years. You see base talent now and its one of the few reasons to tune in on Sunday with this team. The Higgins piece and a real QB combined with Tracey and is this offensive dare I say dangerous?
Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
NYG is…a quarterback away…from being a contender. A real one.
I think Daboll and Schoen have mostly done good work, but the decision to continue with Jones has sabotaged virtually everything else they have done. QBs make the big money because it's the most important position, and Jints Central has totally flubbed it.
Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
At no point in time has Pinnock been a better safety than McKinney. Doesn’t matter what they are being paid. (2nd contract compared to a rookie contract).
Year one they used him all kinds of ways.. up the seam.. our the back field.. Swing passes in the flat.. they even had him on one play as an option passer ( he kept it and ran it in for a TD ).. he showed he has solid hands
The next year they got Waller and relegated him to blocking ONLY... This year same thing.. sometimes a fullback or blocker but NEVER a receiver..
What the hell did he do piss in Daboll's Cheerios?
Year one they used him all kinds of ways.. up the seam.. our the back field.. Swing passes in the flat.. they even had him on one play as an option passer ( he kept it and ran it in for a TD ).. he showed he has solid hands
The next year they got Waller and relegated him to blocking ONLY... This year same thing.. sometimes a fullback or blocker but NEVER a receiver..
What the hell did he do piss in Daboll's Cheerios?
only a QB away, what are your thoughts on putting in one of our back-ups? At what point do they see what we see and try to spark some production with a change at QB. I guess Lock and Devito aren't considered "real ones" either.
Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
Again, this is "last game syndrome"... if you've read Sy's reports for the last two years, he has spoken very highly of Pinnock.
I am still astounded that Giants fans can't seem to remember games/game reviews past one week.
Pinnock has been a good player here, but at no point in time has been a better or “as good as” McKinney. That is false.
Xavier has always had good range, but you take away his two last-game interceptions against the Eagles, and he was only an above average safety last year.
Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
Again, this is "last game syndrome"... if you've read Sy's reports for the last two years, he has spoken very highly of Pinnock.
I am still astounded that Giants fans can't seem to remember games/game reviews past one week.
Pinnock has been a good player here, but at no point in time has been a better or “as good as” McKinney. That is false.
Xavier has always had good range, but you take away his two last-game interceptions against the Eagles, and he was only an above average safety last year.
PFF had him with 87.5 grade last season. If the Giants weren’t so bad last season, that merits inclusion into All-Pro conversation.
Why is Daniel Jones so bad at MetLife? I mean we’ve seen him be at least serviceable on the road throughout his career. At Home he plays like a third string QB 95% of the time. I’ve never seen a professional athlete struggle to play at home more than he does, in any sport.
My theory is that he is very anxious and high strung and his performance declines when he becomes more anxious at home. I don’t believe in his talent but at the same time I don’t believe his mindset is maximizing his talent.
One of the memories of Jones that always sticks with me is a shot of him on the sidelines in the big 2nd half comeback vs the Cardinals in. 2023. He looked very calm and completely composed as he played really good football. Where is that guy the rest of the time?
He was an above average safety for the Giants. He also broke his contract by riding an ATV that cost him half a playoff season. He's also a loose cannon on social media.
Liked him, never loved him. Glad he is doing well right now but I don't miss him. Same with Barkley.
NYG is…a quarterback away…from being a contender. A real one.
I think Daboll and Schoen have mostly done good work, but the decision to continue with Jones has sabotaged virtually everything else they have done. QBs make the big money because it's the most important position, and Jints Central has totally flubbed it.
Not belabor the million previous posts, they are aware.
We shall see if drafting Nabers vs. JJM, Penix or Nix was a mistake. I'm still good with the roster construction. I'm also good with ending the death by 100 cuts. Get Thomas, Thibs and Nabers healthy while losing enough to contend in 2025. One more season of pain to get to the QB we need.
as Townsend so brilliantly wrote and Daltrey screamed at the top of his lungs...
I'd gladly lose me to find you
I'd gladly give up all I have
To find you, I'd suffer anything and be glad
I'll pay any price just to get you
I'd work all my life, and I will
To win you, I'd stand naked, stoned and stabbed
I call that a bargain
The best I ever had
The best I ever had
He was an above average safety for the Giants. He also broke his contract by riding an ATV that cost him half a playoff season. He's also a loose cannon on social media.
Liked him, never loved him. Glad he is doing well right now but I don't miss him. Same with Barkley.
You know who I miss? A'Shawn Robinsion.
That’s all well and good, but my point sticks. Saying Pinnock is just as good as McKinney is FALSE. And that will be made clear when Pinnock comes up for Free Agency this offseason.
The Andrew Thomas injury concerns me. At the time of this writing, we do not have an update on the foot injury. Whether it is good or bad, there is concern about his ankle/foot issues becoming a chronic thing that will eventually catch up to him.
This is why it’s absolutely insane they’ve wasted his time with Daniel Jones as his quarterback. If it does end up being a chronic issue that hampers him the rest of his career, it’s disappointing that we could have wasted his best years.
Because of the nature of the sport, windows are short and the Giants are wasting the primes of Thomas and Lawrence
Every bad team has a few good players wasting away. It’s not exactly newsworthy.
However one thing to keep in mind is that, IMO, once you make this change there is no going back. Jones is a polarizing figure, and a vet, so its not like a rookie you can sit for a few games and then try again. Plus since I'm not in the locker room I don't know the effect putting in Lock will have. Will it be positive or negative on the rest of the team, none of us know.
I would switch now under the guise of trying to win and save the season, knowing full well it may do nothing. To me job#1 now is getting a QB for next year. Either get in position to draft someone you like, or sign an expensive veteran.
However one thing to keep in mind is that, IMO, once you make this change there is no going back. Jones is a polarizing figure, and a vet, so its not like a rookie you can sit for a few games and then try again. Plus since I'm not in the locker room I don't know the effect putting in Lock will have. Will it be positive or negative on the rest of the team, none of us know.
I would switch now under the guise of trying to win and save the season, knowing full well it may do nothing. To me job#1 now is getting a QB for next year. Either get in position to draft someone you like, or sign an expensive veteran.
Yes.
Another consideration is the injury clause in Jones' contract.
The Andrew Thomas injury concerns me. At the time of this writing, we do not have an update on the foot injury. Whether it is good or bad, there is concern about his ankle/foot issues becoming a chronic thing that will eventually catch up to him.
This is why it’s absolutely insane they’ve wasted his time with Daniel Jones as his quarterback. If it does end up being a chronic issue that hampers him the rest of his career, it’s disappointing that we could have wasted his best years.
Because of the nature of the sport, windows are short and the Giants are wasting the primes of Thomas and Lawrence
Every bad team has a few good players wasting away. It’s not exactly newsworthy.
Ok? I’d rather not waste their primes though.
Just because it happens to other teams doesn’t mean it’s just whatever.
are 25, 26 and 26 soon to be 27 years old respectively. They are entering their prime. Now is the time to get a QB, it's not like their prime window is closing shortly, health permitting.
For all the crap Schoen and Daboll get here, some deservedly, the quality of the roster has increased across the board, especially given where they started from with 35 players under contract with barely enough cap dollars to sign their draft picks. Now that they have weaned Mara off Saquon, lets hope Jones is next.
Concerning regarding Thomas especially if it is that same issue he had surgery on. Agree the 4th down throw to WDR was late and there is a thread below on it.
I think the team offensively is a few players aways outside QB from competing for a SB.
Get no "well the rest of the roster looks improved" in my humble opinion.
They got into bed with Jones twice, and as much as I could give them a pass coming off a road playoff win in 2022, their response after 2023 in how they handled the QB position on this roster was negligent, reckless, incompetent or any other terrible way you want to describe it.
The way I see this roster is, Thomas and Lawrence were here. Okereke, Burns and Nabers were obviously solid acquisitions.
I'm not sure what else is so great about this roster. The results definitely don't speak to that.
1) Poor play design. The play action aspect forces Jones to turn his back to the defense. As a result, he's unable to see they are actually in zone and Hyatt's defender didn't follow him on the crosser. Therefore, Johnson's route would never have worked. The play action creates the need for additional time to read that side of the field after looking the near side safety off.
2) Eluemunor allows his defender to beat him immediately on his outside shoulder. On a play designed for the QB to roll to his right, that cannot happen.
3) Jones needed to recognize the play was dead in the water and just take the sack. The best outcome (throw away out of the endzone) was no longer on the table because of the immediate pressure.
Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
At no point in time has Pinnock been a better safety than McKinney. Doesn’t matter what they are being paid. (2nd contract compared to a rookie contract).
Please stop. Pinnock has played very well and McKinney was fine last year - not $17 mill great. I was a $8-$10 mill resign believer. We will disagree on McKinney. Pinnock is not McKinney but I think Pinnock will tackle better and is absolutely better on the blitz.
They are asked to do different things in different defenses and given an even contract I would lean toward McKinney, yes.
It's as though Giants fans forgot the Giants were playing a team in their championship window, with their backs against the wall, and their defensive front back in place.
Yes their D has struggled in games thus far without key pieces upfront. Doesn't change the fact they are still an upper echelon team. The Giants were competitive again, despite missing a couple of important pieces to their team. Amazing to read this board's predictions and expectations week to week.
I know we're all sick of losing and moral victories. Spare me the "low bar" responses. I'm excited for Eagles game #1. Especially after how the defense has played vs. two of the best WR groups in the sport. Here comes another.
Nabers, Slayton, Tracy, WDR, Johnson. Let's go compete again.
Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
At no point in time has Pinnock been a better safety than McKinney. Doesn’t matter what they are being paid. (2nd contract compared to a rookie contract).
Please stop. Pinnock has played very well and McKinney was fine last year - not $17 mill great. I was a $8-$10 mill resign believer. We will disagree on McKinney. Pinnock is not McKinney but I think Pinnock will tackle better and is absolutely better on the blitz.
They are asked to do different things in different defenses and given an even contract I would lean toward McKinney, yes.
Again you’re putting your personal biases to argue your point. The fact of the matter is that McKinney did sign a 4 year 67 million dollar contract on the open market. He has been more an above average safety since his 2nd season and is in All Pro consideration this season, on a good team. Pinnock is solid but he’s not as good as McKinney no matter how you want to spin it.
Get no "well the rest of the roster looks improved" in my humble opinion.
They got into bed with Jones twice, and as much as I could give them a pass coming off a road playoff win in 2022, their response after 2023 in how they handled the QB position on this roster was negligent, reckless, incompetent or any other terrible way you want to describe it.
The way I see this roster is, Thomas and Lawrence were here. Okereke, Burns and Nabers were obviously solid acquisitions.
I'm not sure what else is so great about this roster. The results definitely don't speak to that.
The NFL is a QB driven league
Outside of the Seattle game - our QB has been a bottom of league starter.
IMO, if Jayden Daniels is our QB from game 1 - we would be.... 5-1 ? And we definitely are making the playoffs in 2024.
Let's say we get more of a JJM, Penix or Nix in 2025
I still say we are immediately a playoff contender
Why is Daniel Jones so bad at MetLife? I mean we’ve seen him be at least serviceable on the road throughout his career. At Home he plays like a third string QB 95% of the time. I’ve never seen a professional athlete struggle to play at home more than he does, in any sport.
I wonder what that one would be titled "We Did Everything to Screw This Kid Up"
is Jones. A handful of good plays or even a few games doesn't change the fact that he is not an NFL QB, except maybe as a journeyman backup.
I don't care that benching him means we'd likely have to stay with Lock or DeVito. So what? Either is likely better than Jones, Jones is gone after this season anyway. Benching him also prevents him getting hurt, which could trigger his $23M injury guarantee.
is Jones. A handful of good plays or even a few games doesn't change the fact that he is not an NFL QB, except maybe as a journeyman backup.
I don't care that benching him means we'd likely have to stay with Lock or DeVito. So what? Either is likely better than Jones, Jones is gone after this season anyway. Benching him also prevents him getting hurt, which could trigger his $23M injury guarantee.
Regarding benching Jones, the Giants can win with DeVito. Going the other way, would that compromise Daboll and Schoen's chances of drafting another quarterback?
Also, Eric, I think you made a typo on the section for Andru Phillips.
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Get no "well the rest of the roster looks improved" in my humble opinion.
They got into bed with Jones twice, and as much as I could give them a pass coming off a road playoff win in 2022, their response after 2023 in how they handled the QB position on this roster was negligent, reckless, incompetent or any other terrible way you want to describe it.
The way I see this roster is, Thomas and Lawrence were here. Okereke, Burns and Nabers were obviously solid acquisitions.
I'm not sure what else is so great about this roster. The results definitely don't speak to that.
The NFL is a QB driven league
Outside of the Seattle game - our QB has been a bottom of league starter.
IMO, if Jayden Daniels is our QB from game 1 - we would be.... 5-1 ? And we definitely are making the playoffs in 2024.
Let's say we get more of a JJM, Penix or Nix in 2025
I still say we are immediately a playoff contender
Well what in the hell are Schoen and Daboll waiting for? Even if you're telling me that their plan was to be "patient" and ride out Jones for 1 more year until they were in a better position to cut bait, then their "bridge" plan for the position was terrible as well.
Too many people still separate them from Daniel Jones. He is their guy. All their actions prove it, and given their actions this offseason, this type of season was obvious from a mile away.
16-ish PPG over 6 games, coming off of the crap Jones delivered last year and we still have Daboll telling us how hard he's working in these terrible and depressing post game interviews. I'd ask if we can at least se Drew Lock but we know he stinks as well, so can we at least maybe see DeVito?
This is why it’s absolutely insane they’ve wasted his time with Daniel Jones as his quarterback. If it does end up being a chronic issue that hampers him the rest of his career, it’s disappointing that we could have wasted his best years.
Because of the nature of the sport, windows are short and the Giants are wasting the primes of Thomas and Lawrence
Now we just need to get in the position to pick them and evaluate them correctly... Some extra assets in the draft wouldn't hurt.
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
I think Daboll and Schoen have mostly done good work, but the decision to continue with Jones has sabotaged virtually everything else they have done. QBs make the big money because it's the most important position, and Jints Central has totally flubbed it.
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Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
At no point in time has Pinnock been a better safety than McKinney. Doesn’t matter what they are being paid. (2nd contract compared to a rookie contract).
Again, this is "last game syndrome"... if you've read Sy's reports for the last two years, he has spoken very highly of Pinnock.
I am still astounded that Giants fans can't seem to remember games/game reviews past one week.
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Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
Again, this is "last game syndrome"... if you've read Sy's reports for the last two years, he has spoken very highly of Pinnock.
I am still astounded that Giants fans can't seem to remember games/game reviews past one week.
Pinnock has been a good player here, but at no point in time has been a better or “as good as” McKinney. That is false.
The next year they got Waller and relegated him to blocking ONLY... This year same thing.. sometimes a fullback or blocker but NEVER a receiver..
What the hell did he do piss in Daboll's Cheerios?
He is consistently bad. Hence a 1-14 prime time. Hence him being terrible at home
Hence going 8 straight prime time games with no pass TDs to his own team
Hence not throwing a pass TD to his owm team at home since 2022
Hence going 154 consecutive passes without a pass TD to his own team . 2nd most ever
Hence throwing the least TDs to pass attempts to start a season in NFL history. TWICE! (2021 & 2023)
Hence not throwing more than 2 TDs in a game since his rookie season
Hence never throwing 2 or more TDs in a game for 3 consecutive games. He never did it in college either
His usual performance is under 200 yds and 0-1 TDs in his career
He is very consistent
The next year they got Waller and relegated him to blocking ONLY... This year same thing.. sometimes a fullback or blocker but NEVER a receiver..
What the hell did he do piss in Daboll's Cheerios?
The Johnson has surpassed him on the depth chart.
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Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
Again, this is "last game syndrome"... if you've read Sy's reports for the last two years, he has spoken very highly of Pinnock.
I am still astounded that Giants fans can't seem to remember games/game reviews past one week.
Pinnock has been a good player here, but at no point in time has been a better or “as good as” McKinney. That is false.
Xavier has always had good range, but you take away his two last-game interceptions against the Eagles, and he was only an above average safety last year.
Now we just need to get in the position to pick them and evaluate them correctly... Some extra assets in the draft wouldn't hurt.
We also clearly need DL. I see a QB in the first round and DE in the 2nd with extra front 7 picks later depending on the scouting.
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Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
Again, this is "last game syndrome"... if you've read Sy's reports for the last two years, he has spoken very highly of Pinnock.
I am still astounded that Giants fans can't seem to remember games/game reviews past one week.
Pinnock has been a good player here, but at no point in time has been a better or “as good as” McKinney. That is false.
Xavier has always had good range, but you take away his two last-game interceptions against the Eagles, and he was only an above average safety last year.
PFF had him with 87.5 grade last season. If the Giants weren’t so bad last season, that merits inclusion into All-Pro conversation.
My theory is that he is very anxious and high strung and his performance declines when he becomes more anxious at home. I don’t believe in his talent but at the same time I don’t believe his mindset is maximizing his talent.
One of the memories of Jones that always sticks with me is a shot of him on the sidelines in the big 2nd half comeback vs the Cardinals in. 2023. He looked very calm and completely composed as he played really good football. Where is that guy the rest of the time?
I use my eyes.
He was an above average safety for the Giants. He also broke his contract by riding an ATV that cost him half a playoff season. He's also a loose cannon on social media.
Liked him, never loved him. Glad he is doing well right now but I don't miss him. Same with Barkley.
You know who I miss? A'Shawn Robinsion.
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NYG is…a quarterback away…from being a contender. A real one.
I think Daboll and Schoen have mostly done good work, but the decision to continue with Jones has sabotaged virtually everything else they have done. QBs make the big money because it's the most important position, and Jints Central has totally flubbed it.
Not belabor the million previous posts, they are aware.
We shall see if drafting Nabers vs. JJM, Penix or Nix was a mistake. I'm still good with the roster construction. I'm also good with ending the death by 100 cuts. Get Thomas, Thibs and Nabers healthy while losing enough to contend in 2025. One more season of pain to get to the QB we need.
I'd gladly lose me to find you
I'd gladly give up all I have
To find you, I'd suffer anything and be glad
I'll pay any price just to get you
I'd work all my life, and I will
To win you, I'd stand naked, stoned and stabbed
I call that a bargain
The best I ever had
The best I ever had
Now we just need to get in the position to pick them and evaluate them correctly... Some extra assets in the draft wouldn't hurt.
+1
I use my eyes.
He was an above average safety for the Giants. He also broke his contract by riding an ATV that cost him half a playoff season. He's also a loose cannon on social media.
Liked him, never loved him. Glad he is doing well right now but I don't miss him. Same with Barkley.
You know who I miss? A'Shawn Robinsion.
That’s all well and good, but my point sticks. Saying Pinnock is just as good as McKinney is FALSE. And that will be made clear when Pinnock comes up for Free Agency this offseason.
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The Andrew Thomas injury concerns me. At the time of this writing, we do not have an update on the foot injury. Whether it is good or bad, there is concern about his ankle/foot issues becoming a chronic thing that will eventually catch up to him.
This is why it’s absolutely insane they’ve wasted his time with Daniel Jones as his quarterback. If it does end up being a chronic issue that hampers him the rest of his career, it’s disappointing that we could have wasted his best years.
Because of the nature of the sport, windows are short and the Giants are wasting the primes of Thomas and Lawrence
Every bad team has a few good players wasting away. It’s not exactly newsworthy.
I would switch now under the guise of trying to win and save the season, knowing full well it may do nothing. To me job#1 now is getting a QB for next year. Either get in position to draft someone you like, or sign an expensive veteran.
I would switch now under the guise of trying to win and save the season, knowing full well it may do nothing. To me job#1 now is getting a QB for next year. Either get in position to draft someone you like, or sign an expensive veteran.
Yes.
Another consideration is the injury clause in Jones' contract.
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The Andrew Thomas injury concerns me. At the time of this writing, we do not have an update on the foot injury. Whether it is good or bad, there is concern about his ankle/foot issues becoming a chronic thing that will eventually catch up to him.
This is why it’s absolutely insane they’ve wasted his time with Daniel Jones as his quarterback. If it does end up being a chronic issue that hampers him the rest of his career, it’s disappointing that we could have wasted his best years.
Because of the nature of the sport, windows are short and the Giants are wasting the primes of Thomas and Lawrence
Every bad team has a few good players wasting away. It’s not exactly newsworthy.
Ok? I’d rather not waste their primes though.
Just because it happens to other teams doesn’t mean it’s just whatever.
It sucks to suck. Goes without saying.
It sucks to suck. Goes without saying.
Making an observation isn’t whining. But carry on.
For all the crap Schoen and Daboll get here, some deservedly, the quality of the roster has increased across the board, especially given where they started from with 35 players under contract with barely enough cap dollars to sign their draft picks. Now that they have weaned Mara off Saquon, lets hope Jones is next.
I think the team offensively is a few players aways outside QB from competing for a SB.
Do you mean using him at OLB?
They got into bed with Jones twice, and as much as I could give them a pass coming off a road playoff win in 2022, their response after 2023 in how they handled the QB position on this roster was negligent, reckless, incompetent or any other terrible way you want to describe it.
The way I see this roster is, Thomas and Lawrence were here. Okereke, Burns and Nabers were obviously solid acquisitions.
I'm not sure what else is so great about this roster. The results definitely don't speak to that.
1) Poor play design. The play action aspect forces Jones to turn his back to the defense. As a result, he's unable to see they are actually in zone and Hyatt's defender didn't follow him on the crosser. Therefore, Johnson's route would never have worked. The play action creates the need for additional time to read that side of the field after looking the near side safety off.
2) Eluemunor allows his defender to beat him immediately on his outside shoulder. On a play designed for the QB to roll to his right, that cannot happen.
3) Jones needed to recognize the play was dead in the water and just take the sack. The best outcome (throw away out of the endzone) was no longer on the table because of the immediate pressure.
Team failure.
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Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
At no point in time has Pinnock been a better safety than McKinney. Doesn’t matter what they are being paid. (2nd contract compared to a rookie contract).
Please stop. Pinnock has played very well and McKinney was fine last year - not $17 mill great. I was a $8-$10 mill resign believer. We will disagree on McKinney. Pinnock is not McKinney but I think Pinnock will tackle better and is absolutely better on the blitz.
They are asked to do different things in different defenses and given an even contract I would lean toward McKinney, yes.
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He has size and speed. Is he being used wrong at tackle?
Do you mean using him at OLB?
No pass rush DE - I advocated for it last week. I think he would be great off the edge.
Yes their D has struggled in games thus far without key pieces upfront. Doesn't change the fact they are still an upper echelon team. The Giants were competitive again, despite missing a couple of important pieces to their team. Amazing to read this board's predictions and expectations week to week.
I know we're all sick of losing and moral victories. Spare me the "low bar" responses. I'm excited for Eagles game #1. Especially after how the defense has played vs. two of the best WR groups in the sport. Here comes another.
Nabers, Slayton, Tracy, WDR, Johnson. Let's go compete again.
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Said that Jason Pinnock is just as good as Xavier McKinney… LOL
That was me. Oh boy, Pinnock had a bad game. Knives and pitchforks out. Believe me, I like McKinney - but not at $17 mill per. vs $1 mill for Pinnock. Pinnock has played well up until that run, but we saw the entire LB core turn the wrong way too.
Sy, any chance Daboll pulls the plug on Jones? He cannot allow Jones to keep losing games that should have been won.
At no point in time has Pinnock been a better safety than McKinney. Doesn’t matter what they are being paid. (2nd contract compared to a rookie contract).
Please stop. Pinnock has played very well and McKinney was fine last year - not $17 mill great. I was a $8-$10 mill resign believer. We will disagree on McKinney. Pinnock is not McKinney but I think Pinnock will tackle better and is absolutely better on the blitz.
They are asked to do different things in different defenses and given an even contract I would lean toward McKinney, yes.
Again you’re putting your personal biases to argue your point. The fact of the matter is that McKinney did sign a 4 year 67 million dollar contract on the open market. He has been more an above average safety since his 2nd season and is in All Pro consideration this season, on a good team. Pinnock is solid but he’s not as good as McKinney no matter how you want to spin it.
They got into bed with Jones twice, and as much as I could give them a pass coming off a road playoff win in 2022, their response after 2023 in how they handled the QB position on this roster was negligent, reckless, incompetent or any other terrible way you want to describe it.
The way I see this roster is, Thomas and Lawrence were here. Okereke, Burns and Nabers were obviously solid acquisitions.
I'm not sure what else is so great about this roster. The results definitely don't speak to that.
The NFL is a QB driven league
Outside of the Seattle game - our QB has been a bottom of league starter.
IMO, if Jayden Daniels is our QB from game 1 - we would be.... 5-1 ? And we definitely are making the playoffs in 2024.
Let's say we get more of a JJM, Penix or Nix in 2025
I still say we are immediately a playoff contender
I wonder what that one would be titled "We Did Everything to Screw This Kid Up"
I don't care that benching him means we'd likely have to stay with Lock or DeVito. So what? Either is likely better than Jones, Jones is gone after this season anyway. Benching him also prevents him getting hurt, which could trigger his $23M injury guarantee.
I don't care that benching him means we'd likely have to stay with Lock or DeVito. So what? Either is likely better than Jones, Jones is gone after this season anyway. Benching him also prevents him getting hurt, which could trigger his $23M injury guarantee.
Regarding benching Jones, the Giants can win with DeVito. Going the other way, would that compromise Daboll and Schoen's chances of drafting another quarterback?
Also, Eric, I think you made a typo on the section for Andru Phillips.
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Get no "well the rest of the roster looks improved" in my humble opinion.
They got into bed with Jones twice, and as much as I could give them a pass coming off a road playoff win in 2022, their response after 2023 in how they handled the QB position on this roster was negligent, reckless, incompetent or any other terrible way you want to describe it.
The way I see this roster is, Thomas and Lawrence were here. Okereke, Burns and Nabers were obviously solid acquisitions.
I'm not sure what else is so great about this roster. The results definitely don't speak to that.
The NFL is a QB driven league
Outside of the Seattle game - our QB has been a bottom of league starter.
IMO, if Jayden Daniels is our QB from game 1 - we would be.... 5-1 ? And we definitely are making the playoffs in 2024.
Let's say we get more of a JJM, Penix or Nix in 2025
I still say we are immediately a playoff contender
Well what in the hell are Schoen and Daboll waiting for? Even if you're telling me that their plan was to be "patient" and ride out Jones for 1 more year until they were in a better position to cut bait, then their "bridge" plan for the position was terrible as well.
Too many people still separate them from Daniel Jones. He is their guy. All their actions prove it, and given their actions this offseason, this type of season was obvious from a mile away.
16-ish PPG over 6 games, coming off of the crap Jones delivered last year and we still have Daboll telling us how hard he's working in these terrible and depressing post game interviews. I'd ask if we can at least se Drew Lock but we know he stinks as well, so can we at least maybe see DeVito?