Philly Should Truly be Jones's Last Chance

and I wouldn't bet there won't be a year 7. "We tried to get another QB"

with the game at home, if he has another performance like the bengals game expect the boo birds to be out in full force

In comment 16647951 nygiants16 said:

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with the game at home, if he has another performance like the bengals game expect the boo birds to be out in full force

I think he at least has to throw a TD pass or two, or throw them into TD scoring position several times. Low bar I know, but the bar is the floor at this point.

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and only under those conditions. Otherwise, if he does his typical below average play and is the main reason we lose sit his butt down for good. Schoen must send the scouting department on quest to find that college qb who will bring some hope to our beleaguered fan base.

...There's been rumblings.

Somewhere Custer is like, 'Man. I wish I got as many last stands as Daniel Jones!'

If one game in his sixth year is his “last chance” just tip the bandaid off and bench him now.

And if the decision isn’t already made in his long term future with the Giants, we are well and truly fucked.

We need to start somebody who can throw the deep ball. The run game is decent, the defense is decent. If you can throw the deep ball with any kind of accuracy you will get both a big play and the run game opens up even more. Imagine our pass rush with a late game lead??

The limitations of Jones is affecting every aspect of this team.

Give me Lock or Devito.

dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too.

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...There's been rumblings.

Where are these rumblings coming from?

1-5, its over, and so should be Daniels time with the giants as the starter

and ready for his release in the offseason, let them do it.

They need him gone and the stage set for a new QB(s) to be brought in more than they need to win in 2024. Davoli's future be damned.

If he gets hurt we are screwed for years to come with Cap issues.
The problem is that the coach and GM are between a rock and a hard place.

In comment 16647961 rsjem1979 said:

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If one game in his sixth year is his “last chance” just tip the bandaid off and bench him now. And if the decision isn’t already made in his long term future with the Giants, we are well and truly fucked.

As much as I hate to admit it, the road version of him is fine, so he should maybe get one more chance to get over his home yips against a weak defense.

However, if he sucks at home again, I think the locker room will likely be one inch away from revolting, so their hand will get closer to being forced. The Schwartz article is already hinting at it.

That Jones is the starting QB in 2025 than getting benched next week.

There is no way Daboll has the authority to bench Jones. So he'd have to go to a meeting with Mara and beg him for permission.

Mara is in love with Daniel Jones and has a track record of killing coaches early and often. Whoever the QB is, we are probably winning 6 or 7 games this year. If Daboll burns his equity by embarrassing Daniel, he's a lot more likely to get fired.

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In comment 16647958 UberAlias said: Quote: ...There's been rumblings. Where are these rumblings coming from?

He may be referring to the Schwartz article, which I think was speculation and unsourced, but Schwartz is also an ownership tea leaves guy from what I know, so it could mean something.

In comment 16647961 rsjem1979 said:

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If one game in his sixth year is his “last chance” just tip the bandaid off and bench him now. And if the decision isn’t already made in his long term future with the Giants, we are well and truly fucked.

+1. I don't get the notion of a last chance here. He's had innumerable chances over six seasons. Only the blind can't see that he's not a quality NFL starter.

is tolerable.

Sucking with Jones just isn't anymore. Too much damage has been done. Turn the friggin' page.

In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said:

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dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too.

I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere

In comment 16647979 Jerry in_DC said:

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That Jones is the starting QB in 2025 than getting benched next week. There is no way Daboll has the authority to bench Jones. So he'd have to go to a meeting with Mara and beg him for permission. Mara is in love with Daniel Jones and has a track record of killing coaches early and often. Whoever the QB is, we are probably winning 6 or 7 games this year. If Daboll burns his equity by embarrassing Daniel, he's a lot more likely to get fired.

If the Giants were a functional organization, that discussion should be happening right now, with Daboll coming in to the room with Mara and saying "my fucking quarterback can't throw a TD at home and we can't win that way."

Can't help but feel like like Belichick, Parcells, Peyton, McVay etc. would take one look at his last five home games and either sit down with him and tell him to get together right now or just bench him outright.

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This!

how do you justify NOT benching him? He is killing the team.

In comment 16647991 Frbuff said:

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In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said: Quote: dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too. I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere

His sucking at home goes all the way back to his rookie season when the fans had his back. 6 TDs, 9 Ints at home, versus 18 TDs, 3 INTs away. Ironically, his best game at Metlife that season happened when they were an away team against the Jets.

He was ok at home in 2020, when there weren't any fans, and 2022 when he benefitted from a weak schedule at Metlife. Even then, he struggled against better competition at home outside of the Ravens.

The fans also literally changed his name against the Colts that season, so I would say they are dying to suppot him. He just can't play well enough to give them anything to cheer for!

If Jones is the starting QB in ‘25, my fall Sundays will be wide open.

In comment 16648004 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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If Jones is the starting QB in ‘25, my fall Sundays will be wide open.

I know you and few others like Terps fear the 25' possibility, but that will be literally impossible the way he's playing at home. It's become a national narrative this week. He will also eventually put up a stinker on the road and that will be it.

Being an away game in a jazzed stadium vs a tough Steelers D. That’s asking for an implosion. Daboll should either sit Jones now or wait until after the Steelers game. The commies come next at home and that is a better scenario.

that doesn’t care if he plays well. I would love to beat the Eagles, but that CIN loss was it for me. Final evaluation done.

In comment 16648010 cosmicj said:

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Being an away game in a jazzed stadium vs a tough Steelers D. That’s asking for an implosion. Daboll should either sit Jones now or wait until after the Steelers game. The commies come next at home and that is a better scenario.

Fair point, and also worth noting that DeVito seemed to struggle really hard in the tougher road environments last year outside of Washington.

They should've done a DeVito/Jones home and road platoon.

tear up the DAL D really drove the point home. The Giants offense is woeful, and a complete embarrassment.

Jones is not a coach killer, or a GM killer, he is a franchise killer.

In a rational world it wouldn't matter if Jones threw for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns. He'd be on his way out.

In the Giants' world, he's probably the starter on opening day 2025.

They deserve to have him start and finish every game this year. I want to see their faces when the boos rain down.

It's their bed. Let them lay in it.

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In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said: Quote: dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too. I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere

You hit the nail right on the head..

a decent game, he may get booed from the stadium. Especially if Saquan comes in and scores multiple touchdowns. In the back of a lot of fan's minds is the fact that they let Saquan walk and kept this imbecile at QB, so it could get ugly if Saquan goes off. But by the time scores his third TD it will probably mostly be Eagles fans in the stadium.

for the banner flying over Metlife that says JONES MUST GO!, or 6 LOUSY YEARS IS ENOUGH!LOL. However, the decision probably has already been made...or at least in serious discussion. I would guess that they'll ride with him until eliminated from the playoffs, then insert Lock into the starters role. But, what do I know.

In comment 16648018 mittenedman said:

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tear up the DAL D really drove the point home. The Giants offense is woeful, and a complete embarrassment.

I watched that and could only shake my head. God, what a difference. I remember thinking we're light years behind the Lions.

Let the best one start the other becomes the backup.

Desperate times mean desperate measures.

stuck with Jones. Just a feeling, but his body language and responses seem to tell me that he was against this Jones decision but told by Schoen/Mara to just do the best he can with Jones this season because its all they have. His jog will be safe, and next year they will get him a QB.

He just seems resigned to the situation, like not fighting it anymore

In comment 16648033 Big Tom said:

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In comment 16647991 Frbuff said: Quote: In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said: Quote: dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too. I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere You hit the nail right on the head..

It's not a relaxed atmosphere Jones at home because he consistently fails to put up points there, it has nothing to do with the fans being mean.

Hence the attempted trade for Maye

There is ZERO point in starting him any more games. The Giants are not going to the playoffs. He poses financial risk to the 2025 CAP, and for WHAT?

What are we getting out of starting Jones more games?

Jesus Christ rip the bandaid off already.

In comment 16647991 Frbuff said:

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In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said: Quote: dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too. I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere

The fanbase was so desperate to support him that they chanted his name two years ago for being the QB of a playoff team. Nevermind that his individual performance was still rather pedestrian that season, the fans were eager to rally around DJ in 2022.

Since then, he's been outright bad much more often than not. The fanbase is now tough on DJ because of how DJ has played.

Don't blame the fans. Blame the guy(s) who have abused the fanbase by subjecting us to 6(+?) years of mediocrity.

In comment 16647991 Frbuff said:

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In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said: Quote: dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too. I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere

So I guess he isn't mentally built to play in NY. We have heard time and time again about how he's so mentally tough, and how he can handle the pressure of being in NY, and thats why it's important to keep giving him chances. Turns out, that's bullshit. So this guy has average physical tools, slow eyes, is injury prone, and he can't handle the pressure of being the QB in NY. I'm glad we gave him the largest contract in franchise history (both by dollar values and percentage of the cap)

Bisignanos been saying it for weeks on his pod, “DJ won’t be the QB next year.” Stating it as fact. I agree the decisions been made.

I just took a look at the tankathon and see 4 teams that need QBs... We're #5. We could be looking at another year without a franchise QB even after Jones is gone.

In comment 16648091 Blue The Dog said:

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In comment 16647991 Frbuff said: Quote: In comment 16647964 SoZKillA said: Quote: dont get how bad he is at home... it astounding the last 2 defenses in Dallas and Cincy were AWFUL too. I think he puts too much pressure on himself to do well in front of a fan base that mostly never had his back..in fact burning his jersey and being cursed out doesn’t alleviate those issues.. not making excuses but under those situations doesn’t result in a relaxed playing atmosphere So I guess he isn't mentally built to play in NY. We have heard time and time again about how he's so mentally tough, and how he can handle the pressure of being in NY, and thats why it's important to keep giving him chances. Turns out, that's bullshit. So this guy has average physical tools, slow eyes, is injury prone, and he can't handle the pressure of being the QB in NY. I'm glad we gave him the largest contract in franchise history (both by dollar values and percentage of the cap)

Yup, and since Jones supporters are prone to making Eli and Simms comparisons, neither of those guys had it very easy with the fans either to start. Simms was booed on draft day, and Eli was getting hammered throughout 2007, coincidentally for putting up some bad home games.

In comment 16648094 mittenedman said:

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Bisignanos been saying it for weeks on his pod, “DJ won’t be the QB next year.” Stating it as fact. I agree the decisions been made.

If he can't put up points at home and still turns the ball over, he should stop being the QB this year. It's not fair to the rest of the 52 players on the roster to trot out a guy with the yips at Metlife.

And while he's played well on the road, it's easy to forget that he was bailed out of two potential back-breaking turnovers at the beginning of the Seattle and Cleveland games.

In comment 16647963 Rjanyg said:

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We need to start somebody who can throw the deep ball. The run game is decent, the defense is decent. If you can throw the deep ball with any kind of accuracy you will get both a big play and the run game opens up even more. Imagine our pass rush with a late game lead?? The limitations of Jones is affecting every aspect of this team. Give me Lock or Devito.

It's first hard to imagine a late game lead.

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and I wouldn't bet there won't be a year 7. "We tried to get another QB"

7 year itch

In comment 16648095 bluewave said:

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I just took a look at the tankathon and see 4 teams that need QBs... We're #5. We could be looking at another year without a franchise QB even after Jones is gone.

It's looking worse than that, the '25 QBs aren't very promising thus far. Fans love Milroe but I think he's overrated in terms of potential NFL franchise QB, for example.