I don't care how many decent road games he puts up.
Last five starts at home: 0 tds, 8 ints.
That is not even NFL backup caliber. I know this has been covered to some extent, but is not fair to the rest of the team to continue to start a QB who simply cannot perform at home.
He has to actually lead touchdown drives in this upcoming game to stay the starter. If not, we're just going to get back on this endless treadmill: Jones maybe puts up a decent game @Steelers, then flops again at home against Washington.
Would Lock or DeVito be worse on the road? Probably, but you can't start a QB who is simply not reliable at home.
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I just took a look at the tankathon and see 4 teams that need QBs... We're #5. We could be looking at another year without a franchise QB even after Jones is gone.
It's looking worse than that, the '25 QBs aren't very promising thus far. Fans love Milroe but I think he's overrated in terms of potential NFL franchise QB, for example.
There's a lot of denial going on about this year's class.
I still want them to draft a QB (or even two) at some point in 2025, but I do think they'll be doing so from a weaker group.
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I just took a look at the tankathon and see 4 teams that need QBs... We're #5. We could be looking at another year without a franchise QB even after Jones is gone.
It's looking worse than that, the '25 QBs aren't very promising thus far. Fans love Milroe but I think he's overrated in terms of potential NFL franchise QB, for example.
I did not love Milroe this past weekend. So many of his passes looked like 'college passes' which sail in the air far too much. However, I'll trust Sy on this and he does have the physical tools.
THIS!
Don't bet that the Giants aren't gonna do another year of the Daniel Jones Show. In fact, I'd bet $$ he WILL be back. I'd also bet they don't draft a QB AGAIN. I've never seen anything like the man-love this team has for a bad Duke QB. Somewhere Dave Brown must be screaming over the unfairness of it all.
The problem is that the coach and GM are between a rock and a hard place.
a rock and a hard place of their own creation
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I just took a look at the tankathon and see 4 teams that need QBs... We're #5. We could be looking at another year without a franchise QB even after Jones is gone.
It's looking worse than that, the '25 QBs aren't very promising thus far. Fans love Milroe but I think he's overrated in terms of potential NFL franchise QB, for example.
There's a lot of denial going on about this year's class.
I still want them to draft a QB (or even two) at some point in 2025, but I do think they'll be doing so from a weaker group.
Right now I'm on the Sanders train, even though that is probably a pipe dream.
I think a year from now teams will be regretting passing on him, especially if it's because of his dad.
Been watching a lot of him since I'm in Big XII country, and I very much like what I see.
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and I wouldn't bet there won't be a year 7. "We tried to get another QB"
THIS!
Don't bet that the Giants aren't gonna do another year of the Daniel Jones Show. In fact, I'd bet $$ he WILL be back. I'd also bet they don't draft a QB AGAIN. I've never seen anything like the man-love this team has for a bad Duke QB. Somewhere Dave Brown must be screaming over the unfairness of it all.
JS and BD will never work in the NFL again if that happens
Bisignano also claimed that the QB chatter last draft was all a smokescreen for Schoen's true target: Joe Alt.
There has never been a more inaccurately named "insider."
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and I wouldn't bet there won't be a year 7. "We tried to get another QB"
THIS!
Don't bet that the Giants aren't gonna do another year of the Daniel Jones Show. In fact, I'd bet $$ he WILL be back. I'd also bet they don't draft a QB AGAIN. I've never seen anything like the man-love this team has for a bad Duke QB. Somewhere Dave Brown must be screaming over the unfairness of it all.
Year 7 is impossible with his current play at home. His struggles at Metlife have been picked up nationally now and the team won't be able to hide it unless he turns it around.
The Eagle fans hate their own team on most days. Can you imagine the abuse Daniel would get if he was their QB for the past 6 years???????
Yet we have to put up with him.
Jerry would have just put his hands on Daniel's shoulders and told him. "Son, Consider another career."
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and I wouldn't bet there won't be a year 7. "We tried to get another QB"
THIS!
Don't bet that the Giants aren't gonna do another year of the Daniel Jones Show. In fact, I'd bet $$ he WILL be back. I'd also bet they don't draft a QB AGAIN. I've never seen anything like the man-love this team has for a bad Duke QB. Somewhere Dave Brown must be screaming over the unfairness of it all.
We could've gotten the guy the Steelers are benching Fields for a cup of coffee but we couldn't even give him a modest chance at competing for the starting job.
And yet we are talking about benching Jones in week 7 regardless.
He just seems resigned to the situation, like not fighting it anymore
On Hard Knocks Daboll's face lit up at the prospect of Jayden Daniels. You could see it.
My perspective on Daboll right now is that he is doing all he can to scheme the offense, and in that he is showing ownership that the team is hamstrung by Jones. But as someone alluded to yesterday, the locker room is only going to tolerate so much before it reaches it's peak of being fed up, and Daboll has to balance that to have the team buy in each week. Jones cannot remain the starter the whole season, and if John Mara doesn't like it, he can get lost.
Penix, Nix, and JJM (if healthy) would presumably all be learning in the background and getting ready to replace Jones.
I think you need to wipe off your crystal ball again.
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Ours is 3-8 his last 11 games and there’s sign of a change in sight
We could've gotten the guy the Steelers are benching Fields for a cup of coffee but we couldn't even give him a modest chance at competing for the starting job.
And yet we are talking about benching Jones in week 7 regardless.
Can’t upset Daniel
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Ours is 3-8 his last 11 games and there’s sign of a change in sight
We could've gotten the guy the Steelers are benching Fields for a cup of coffee but we couldn't even give him a modest chance at competing for the starting job.
And yet we are talking about benching Jones in week 7 regardless.
Would have been better off losing to CLE and SEA, Jones may already be riding the pine and we'd be on track to guarantee our QB in April 2025.
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I'd like for them to scout the QBs as heavy as they did in 2024. Looks like drafting Nix would have been an error. Jury is out on McCarthy obviously. But they made the right call for 2024 anyway - seemingly it was Maye or bust in the first round. Don't overdraft a QB just to do it in 2025. Take the best player at their pick.
Penix, Nix, and JJM (if healthy) would presumably all be learning in the background and getting ready to replace Jones.
I think you need to wipe off your crystal ball again.
Let’s be honest, leaving aside pipe dream scenarios in which Jones and the Giants go to the NFC Championship Game, what he really wants is for them to win 7 games, draft 12th and be out of range for any “reach” QBs.
Couldn't be more wrong.
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“Taking the best player” at the pick is meaningless if they don’t find a quarterback
Couldn't be more wrong.
Then why are they scoring the same amount of points as last year after fixing the oline and adding Nabers?
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and I wouldn't bet there won't be a year 7. "We tried to get another QB"
THIS!
Don't bet that the Giants aren't gonna do another year of the Daniel Jones Show. In fact, I'd bet $$ he WILL be back. I'd also bet they don't draft a QB AGAIN. I've never seen anything like the man-love this team has for a bad Duke QB. Somewhere Dave Brown must be screaming over the unfairness of it all.
Let's be honest guys, if the Patriots took the trade deal Drake Maye would be here but the fact is they didn't.
I wanted Giants to get Maye, would have supported it 10000%. What you can't do is just take quarterbacks to take them. That gets you into a worse position than you are already in.
And yeah, could Bo Nix turn out to be slightly better than Daniel Jones? Sure.
But Bo Nix is the same exact thing that you guys say the Giants did with Jones which was a mistake - and that is overdraft them.
Giants took Nabers who may turn out to be the best receiver in the entire league. Why would the Giants draft a QB who they don't believe is a really good prospect - instead of taking a guy they all had conviction on? That would be absolutely ridiculous.
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I just took a look at the tankathon and see 4 teams that need QBs... We're #5. We could be looking at another year without a franchise QB even after Jones is gone.
It's looking worse than that, the '25 QBs aren't very promising thus far. Fans love Milroe but I think he's overrated in terms of potential NFL franchise QB, for example.
I think we go for the QB with the best traits and thrower of the football and pray to god Daboll can do something with him.
2025/2026 - whatever. Try to get the guy they really like.
But the Giants should, and will, continue to bulk up the roster with all pro caliber players. Nabers is that.
Are you asking the Giants to reach for a player that isn't good?
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Give the Giants an excuse not to draft a QB again.
Are you asking the Giants to reach for a player that isn't good?
You wanted them to continue to play a player who isn’t good.
The last QB the Giants drafted was Daniel Jones, six years ago. Only the Chiefs and Seahawks have gone longer since drafting ANY QB.
So yes, you can absolutely draft a QB just to draft a QB at some point. In fact, failing to draft ANY quarterback at all for more than half a decade is malpractice.
I wanted Giants to get Maye, would have supported it 10000%. What you can't do is just take quarterbacks to take them. That gets you into a worse position than you are already in.
And yeah, could Bo Nix turn out to be slightly better than Daniel Jones? Sure.
But Bo Nix is the same exact thing that you guys say the Giants did with Jones which was a mistake - and that is overdraft them.
Giants took Nabers who may turn out to be the best receiver in the entire league. Why would the Giants draft a QB who they don't believe is a really good prospect - instead of taking a guy they all had conviction on? That would be absolutely ridiculous.
The Giants have won 1 game this year with Nabers, but would probably have 4 or 5 wins with a different QB.
And while drafting Jones was a miss, the bigger more glaring mistake is that he's still here. You think if Nix doesn't improve he's the DEN starter in 2029?
Malik Nabers's influence on this team has been zero. The offense was pathetic with him on it.
Jones is on the roster. He's the starter. They have an out after this season. So...one of two things will happen. He'll either start to play better more consistently and they'll compete for the playoffs. Or he'll continue to not be consistent and they'll cut him after 2025.
I don't understand what the point of bringing players like Bo Nix into the argument is. It makes us look like an idiotic fanbase. Nix sucks. Has anyone watched him play this year? Jones looked like a hall of famer his rookie season compared to what Nix is doing.
Malik Nabers's influence on this team has been zero. The offense was pathetic with him on it.
I have watched Nix. He's not a good quarterback.
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If you've watched Nix, you can see he's already a better player than Jones (admittedly a very low bar) and is smart enough to take on quite a bit. I expect he will look quite a bit better in the second half of this season and much better next year.
Malik Nabers's influence on this team has been zero. The offense was pathetic with him on it.
I have watched Nix. He's not a good quarterback.
Not right now, but he's a smart and talented player with only 6 games under his belt. You can see how he'll get better. And he's already a better, smarter player than Jones is.
You said Jones isn't consistent. That's not correct. He is consistently poor. Of the 90 or so QBs in the league Jones ranks 40-50.
It's really been a remarkable ride with this guy.
And yeah, could Bo Nix turn out to be slightly better than Daniel Jones? Sure.
But Bo Nix is the same exact thing that you guys say the Giants did with Jones which was a mistake - and that is overdraft them.
Can you let me know where you purchased your crystal ball?
Because I'd like to know how you can make such a definitive conclusion on Nix after six games. Yes, six. And Denver is 3-3.
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If you've watched Nix, you can see he's already a better player than Jones (admittedly a very low bar) and is smart enough to take on quite a bit. I expect he will look quite a bit better in the second half of this season and much better next year.
Malik Nabers's influence on this team has been zero. The offense was pathetic with him on it.
I have watched Nix. He's not a good quarterback.
You said the same thing about Jayden Daniels, and Caleb Williams for that matter. You gave Jones 6 years and counting (did you see the Minnesota game???!!!), but won't give Nix 6 games. I wasn't a huge fan of Nix's, but he deserves more than a third of a rookie season to show if he can be successful.
In NY, you need six years.
Does anyone else find this strange?
In NY, you need six years.
Does anyone else find this strange?
The Denver roster is bulletproof, so it's a good controlled experiment on a QB's actual impact on W/L.
We, by contrast, don't have a 1st rounder for WR#2, among other things.
I think the Q is did Sean Payton see enough in Nix to think he could turn him into a good QB and if so is that a good reason to pick a QB when you need one?
I happen to think so.
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Give the Giants an excuse not to draft a QB again.
Are you asking the Giants to reach for a player that isn't good?
No, I’m suggesting that you want them to be in a position in the draft where you (and they) can find something wrong with the available QBs.
It’s the same reason many of the people who took the most joy out of the Tommy DeVito experience last year are long time Jones supporters who were THRILLED that those wins put the top 3 QBs out of reach.
I don’t think you want to move on from Jones. You’ll say that they “can” but you don’t want to.
For example, this past draft Sy had higher grades on 4 non QBs (MHJ, Odunze, Nabors, Bowers) than any QB. So if you are going BPA, at 1 overall, you aren't taking Caleb, or Drake or Jayden, because they are ranked lower than 4 non-QB players. If you truly believe BPA, then you would say you would take a QB at the earliest this past year at 4. You will never get a QB with this approach.
Also, according to Sy's grades, the Patriots taking Maye of MHJ (9 points diff in OVR) was a bigger reach than if the Giants took McCarthy over Nabors (7 points diff in OVR).
There is no way Daboll has the authority to bench Jones. So he'd have to go to a meeting with Mara and beg him for permission.
Mara is in love with Daniel Jones and has a track record of killing coaches early and often. Whoever the QB is, we are probably winning 6 or 7 games this year. If Daboll burns his equity by embarrassing Daniel, he's a lot more likely to get fired.
This carp that Mara is in love with DJ holds no water with me. Maybe he was at one time, but constant losing changes opinions. I've been a DJ supporter since the draft. I continue to see instances of fine performances where I think he's going to be fine. However, that game Monday night was there to be won. DJ was Soley responsible for that loss. It was an atrocious performance, maybe his worst game ever. He let down his teammates, his coaches, the fans and himself, I think he should have said that at the post-game press conference. He has a ton of pressure and mis fortune,
but that only goes so far. If I'm upset with him, I'm sure Mara is too. IMO, If the next few games don't result in better play, make the change. Looks to me like he's lost his confidence. I've seen him play bad, but Monday was ridiculous!!
For example, this past draft Sy had higher grades on 4 non QBs (MHJ, Odunze, Nabors, Bowers) than any QB. So if you are going BPA, at 1 overall, you aren't taking Caleb, or Drake or Jayden, because they are ranked lower than 4 non-QB players. If you truly believe BPA, then you would say you would take a QB at the earliest this past year at 4. You will never get a QB with this approach.
Also, according to Sy's grades, the Patriots taking Maye of MHJ (9 points diff in OVR) was a bigger reach than if the Giants took McCarthy over Nabors (7 points diff in OVR).
This. Saying they should take BPA is code that they want a year 7. Ryan doesn’t want another QB; he wants to be proven right on Jones as long as it takes
I'll never understand how the guy who has repeatedly advocating being patient with Jones in his 4th, 5th, and even 6th year can say that it looks like a rookie QB might have been the wrong pick.