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Giants run game and run defense

M.S. : 10:30 am
It's still relatively early in the season (just 6 games in) but the rushing stats are not anywhere close to where they need to be for the Giants to play winning football.

Yards per Carry
Offense 3.87 (29th)
Defense 5.25 (31st)
Net Differential -1.38 (32nd)

I could make a few excuses such as Joe Burrows 48-yard TD walk in the park, or maybe wait until Tyrone Tracy, Jr. gets a whole lot more carries under his belt. But right now, last in the NFL on net YPC just won't cut it, especially with a QB who requires a decent run game to maximize his modest skill set. And if the Giants offense cannot get it into gear, I cannot envision the Giants run defense improving very much. Indeed, it could get even worse.
M.S.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10:34 am : link
The Giants run defense is WAY better this year. You're cherry-picking stats.
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HitSquad : 10:40 am : link
I agree, we gotta be better in the run game on both sides of the ball.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 10:45 am : link
In comment 16648078 Eric from BBI said:
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The Giants run defense is WAY better this year. You're cherry-picking stats.

My sense is that the run defense is better than last year's under Wink, and as I inferred, the Joe Burrow TD scamper may have deflated the Giants average YPC. But taking S-T-D average YPC stats across all 32 teams is not exactly what I would call cherry-picking the stats. In any event, in every loss this season the Giants were out-rushed. And in their 2 wins, they out-rushed their opponents.
I think the defense in general has been about what was expected.  
Ivan15 : 10:48 am : link
Slow start for first 3-4 games. Secondary shaky but better than expected.
Run defense finding its way slowly. Some good games, some not so good. Rookie mistakes.

This would be a middle of the pack or better defense if the offense was at least respectable.
RE: I think the defense in general has been about what was expected.  
M.S. : 11:01 am : link
In comment 16648096 Ivan15 said:
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Slow start for first 3-4 games. Secondary shaky but better than expected.
Run defense finding its way slowly. Some good games, some not so good. Rookie mistakes.

This would be a middle of the pack or better defense if the offense was at least respectable.

Definitely a synergy game as your last sentence implies.
The RB production  
in the run game has been problematic in all but but two games.
This puts a lot more pressure on Jones and most QB's in the pass game which is not a good thing.

Definitely some talent issues but Daboll is also a big part of this issue imv.
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shyster : 11:23 am : link
In comment 16648092 M.S. said:
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In any event, in every loss this season the Giants were out-rushed. And in their 2 wins, they out-rushed their opponents.


Giants won the CLE game by passing in the first half, then going into a shell and punting the ball for the second half.

NYG had only rushed for 73 yards on 31 carries, not even 2.5 PC, until Singletary had that 43y run down to the one against a demoralized Browns' defense, whose offense had just turned the ball over on downs to effectively decide the game.

Seattle game is the one game where running game contributed to an NYG win. Whether that's the Seattle defense or means something more needs a much larger sample.

People are complaining that Giants should have run more last night. But, when they did run, they were constantly facing fourth downs, which is not a recipe for success.
Agree Shyster  
about the last run against Cleveland masking what was a very poor day of running the ball. They did run well against WFT though and should have scored 30 plus points and won that game.
Watch or listen to any film breakdown  
Jerry in_DC : 11:57 am : link
The Dallas and Cincy games in particular. The boxes are loaded to an absurd degree. There is no reason for any defender to start more than 10 yards from the LoS.

Any D that game plans for us is going to make it nearly impossible to run the ball.
Giants utilized  
multiple TE's a good amount of times Jerry and D's adjust. Good running teams can still run against that and good OC's also exploit it in the PA game (especially with the QB under center). Not many TE seam passes in this offense.
M.S.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12:10 pm : link
Last year, the Giants were 29th in run defense.

This year they are 15th.

In other words, they have moved up 14 spots in less than half a season.
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56goat : 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16648084 HitSquad said:
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I agree, we gotta be better in the run game on both sides of the ball.


We have to be better in the run game, 'cause we sure as shit can't do well throwing it.
RE: RE: I think the defense in general has been about what was expected.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1:01 pm : link
In comment 16648111 M.S. said:
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In comment 16648096 Ivan15 said:


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Slow start for first 3-4 games. Secondary shaky but better than expected.
Run defense finding its way slowly. Some good games, some not so good. Rookie mistakes.

This would be a middle of the pack or better defense if the offense was at least respectable.


Definitely a synergy game as your last sentence implies.


And yet some still cannot understand it.

When your offense is averaging 16 points a game, your opponent will run the ball all game.

Simple.
RE: M.S.  
Matt M. : 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16648184 Eric from BBI said:
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Last year, the Giants were 29th in run defense.

This year they are 15th.

In other words, they have moved up 14 spots in less than half a season.
IS that based on total yards/game? I think, believe it or not, the offense has something to do with that. They have begun controlling TOP, limiting opposing number of drives. The D has also kept scoring down, which keeps games close, which means teams can't lean so heavily on the run in the 2nd half.

Overall, they are better than last year in pretty much all regards on D.
Giants have faced some  
poor running teams with four of them in the bottom 10 in league rankings. They are now facing some better running teams so hopefully the improved run D continues.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16648184 Eric from BBI said:
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Last year, the Giants were 29th in run defense.

This year they are 15th.

In other words, they have moved up 14 spots in less than half a season.

As I said, I think the team's run defense is better than it was under Wink. But a don't think the Total Rushing Yards metric is as telling as the one I used -- Yards per Carry.
One other thing to note  
Matt M. : 2:56 pm : link
At least in the first game without KT, Burns run defense was worlds better being on the right side. It's not just his pass rush. When KT is healthy, we may want to consider flipping them for most snaps.
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