could be a guy other teams (Lions) covet. If that is the case, regardless of depth we take that opportunity.
Slayton could still be a target by others and we should not ignore that. We will NOT be paying Slayton big money for a new contract so load up on picks for the next big step we take.
could be a guy other teams (Lions) covet. If that is the case, regardless of depth we take that opportunity.
Slayton could still be a target by others and we should not ignore that. We will NOT be paying Slayton big money for a new contract so load up on picks for the next big step we take.
Load up on picks? What do you think you are getting for either Slayton or Ojulari?
be sellers depending on the player, age, salary, fit, etc.
I'll provide an example.
In 2009, the Patriots were still absolutely a contender, they were coming off the Matt Light year, where the team went 11-5 with a backup QB.
Just prior to the start of the season they traded Richard Seymour. Their best defensive player. They acquired a 1st round pick and used it on Nate Solder. Your evaluation of Solder may vary, but that's irrelevant. It was the smartness of being a seller on a 29-year-old future hall-of-famer at the edge of his prime. Seymour did go to two pro-bowls with Oakland, but it was clearly the right move swapping a back-9 DL for a rookie stalwart OT.
So, yes, the Giants possibly should be sellers and what happens Sunday is irrelevant.
but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.
How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
be sellers depending on the player, age, salary, fit, etc.
I'll provide an example.
In 2009, the Patriots were still absolutely a contender, they were coming off the Matt Light year, where the team went 11-5 with a backup QB.
Just prior to the start of the season they traded Richard Seymour. Their best defensive player. They acquired a 1st round pick and used it on Nate Solder. Your evaluation of Solder may vary, but that's irrelevant. It was the smartness of being a seller on a 29-year-old future hall-of-famer at the edge of his prime. Seymour did go to two pro-bowls with Oakland, but it was clearly the right move swapping a back-9 DL for a rookie stalwart OT.
So, yes, the Giants possibly should be sellers and what happens Sunday is irrelevant.
but history has shown that its 50/50 whether or not they would.
If anyone were to be moved, I think Ojulari would be the guy they target, specifically if he has another good game. He plays a high value position, we're unlikely to pay him next offseason and another good game would put him in a "high stock" position.
I think the guys that are going to be here next year and are connected to helping a QB (WRs, TEs or OL) won't be moved unless we've really given up on someone (Hyatt???).
What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.
doubt it. My guess is that even if they get blown out by the Eagles, they may still feel like they have a chance at the playoffs with 10 games remaining.
And as someone said, we wouldn't get much for Ojulari, Slayton, Hyatt, or Singletary. Ojulari has an injury history and is a FA next year. Slayton is tied for the league lead in drops and is also a FA next year. Hyatt has done nothing. The whole league knows that he just runs fast. Singletary is a journeyman RB. Tracy is a better option at this point.
Wasn't there a "thing" with the Dolphins at one point? Where there were allegations that the owner was telling the coaching staff to lose games? The tank for Tua thing...
Do you think the Pats missed that FG last year against the Giants on purpose? It was like a 25 yrd field goal with both teams left for dead.
IDK - if these other teams are tanking and making it look good while the Giants are out there beating the Washington's and NE Pats of the world - other franchises are playing chess while the NYG play checkers....
What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.
Real objective aren't you! Hate to tell you but they outplayed Washington and should have won and would have won if their place kicker did not get hurt So to say we are closer to 0-6 is a bit slanted.
and if Ojulari plays well again I would try to squeeze a 3rd or 4th out of a team. But FMV is probably a 5th or a 6th. I'm a big fan of Slayton, but I'll take a 3rd or a 4th.
but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.
How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
I'm not as certain the brass saw/sees things as you claim.
No. The delusional denial continues for this sad franchise. There is probably a greater chance that they will be buyers than sellers, especially if they beat the Eagles this week.
Should the Giants be trade deadline sellers? Yes. Any player not named Lawrence, Thomas or Nabers for whom accretive draft capital is offered should be sent packing. The 2025 draft is a better quarterback draft than is currently being speculated. The only thing that matters for this team at this point is getting the one who turns out to be the next Stroud or Daniels.
What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.
Real objective aren't you! Hate to tell you but they outplayed Washington and should have won and would have won if their place kicker did not get hurt So to say we are closer to 0-6 is a bit slanted.
The myths that develop on here. Washington scored every single drive in that game. Every single one.
And your HC being a fool is not an argument you should have won a game but an argument he should lose his job.
but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.
How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
I'm not as certain the brass saw/sees things as you claim.
Look at the objective offseason moves, it is clear. Show any concrete evidence to support your claim. If they bet the farm on X, Barkley, and sent picks to move up you might have a point but they did none of that. They let them walk because the cap was the priority, not winning now.
They aren't getting anything for any of those guys.
You’ll be surprised what other teams value Ojulari at. He’s a young pass rusher who has been productive. I’m not saying a 1st or a 2nd, but a 3rd would not shock me. Guys often DO get better in their age 24 season, and Azeez looks to be an ascending player.
They aren't getting anything for any of those guys.
You’ll be surprised what other teams value Ojulari at. He’s a young pass rusher who has been productive. I’m not saying a 1st or a 2nd, but a 3rd would not shock me. Guys often DO get better in their age 24 season, and Azeez looks to be an ascending player.
Not getting a 3rd for Ojulari. he is certainly not a game changer, he is a free agent and he gets injured a lot.
You might be able to trade a Hyatt to KC because they love aimless
if the player is not part of the plan for 2025. Ojulari and Slayton may fit that description. One has an injury history, and the other has a history of drops. With Thibs out, AO is pretty much it. Nabers will be back, but no Slayton would put the WR corp at razor thin.
The return is minimal. Another good game or two could put AO in position to garner something while making him too expensive to re-sign. Slayton won't get squat and he ought to be replaced.
The team is NOT in tear down territory. It is in get a QB and we are competitive territory.
Pick up the phone if it rings, but no reason to give anyone away.
Sitting at 2-5 should knock some reality into anyone thinking of taking the division, and the WC probably isn't coming from the East. Technically not out of it, but put down the pipe if you would refuse to listen because we might go on a streak.
We should sell Jones for a 1st next year and a 2nd in 2026
What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.
I'll die on that hill. He's a bargain. If he signs for less than 10 mil a year do it. Unless you want to allocate 20 mil to the other wr position outside of Nabers and target someone like Higgins. Rather not use draft capital to draft a wr high especially when trading up for a qb is going to be a priority.
I hope so, but I doubt it. Mara probably hates the perception of us throwing away the season by trading dudes off, even though we should. Ya know John...those late season wins in a season that was over in October mean so much!
Really the only guys you are thinking about selling
Slayton could still be a target by others and we should not ignore that. We will NOT be paying Slayton big money for a new contract so load up on picks for the next big step we take.
Slayton could still be a target by others and we should not ignore that. We will NOT be paying Slayton big money for a new contract so load up on picks for the next big step we take.
I'll provide an example.
In 2009, the Patriots were still absolutely a contender, they were coming off the Matt Light year, where the team went 11-5 with a backup QB.
Just prior to the start of the season they traded Richard Seymour. Their best defensive player. They acquired a 1st round pick and used it on Nate Solder. Your evaluation of Solder may vary, but that's irrelevant. It was the smartness of being a seller on a 29-year-old future hall-of-famer at the edge of his prime. Seymour did go to two pro-bowls with Oakland, but it was clearly the right move swapping a back-9 DL for a rookie stalwart OT.
So, yes, the Giants possibly should be sellers and what happens Sunday is irrelevant.
How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
I'll provide an example.
In 2009, the Patriots were still absolutely a contender, they were coming off the Matt Light year, where the team went 11-5 with a backup QB.
Just prior to the start of the season they traded Richard Seymour. Their best defensive player. They acquired a 1st round pick and used it on Nate Solder. Your evaluation of Solder may vary, but that's irrelevant. It was the smartness of being a seller on a 29-year-old future hall-of-famer at the edge of his prime. Seymour did go to two pro-bowls with Oakland, but it was clearly the right move swapping a back-9 DL for a rookie stalwart OT.
So, yes, the Giants possibly should be sellers and what happens Sunday is irrelevant.
Matt Light year s/b Matt Cassell year
If anyone were to be moved, I think Ojulari would be the guy they target, specifically if he has another good game. He plays a high value position, we're unlikely to pay him next offseason and another good game would put him in a "high stock" position.
I think the guys that are going to be here next year and are connected to helping a QB (WRs, TEs or OL) won't be moved unless we've really given up on someone (Hyatt???).
They are trying to change the culture,selling now doesnt help that
And as someone said, we wouldn't get much for Ojulari, Slayton, Hyatt, or Singletary. Ojulari has an injury history and is a FA next year. Slayton is tied for the league lead in drops and is also a FA next year. Hyatt has done nothing. The whole league knows that he just runs fast. Singletary is a journeyman RB. Tracy is a better option at this point.
Wasn't there a "thing" with the Dolphins at one point? Where there were allegations that the owner was telling the coaching staff to lose games? The tank for Tua thing...
Do you think the Pats missed that FG last year against the Giants on purpose? It was like a 25 yrd field goal with both teams left for dead.
IDK - if these other teams are tanking and making it look good while the Giants are out there beating the Washington's and NE Pats of the world - other franchises are playing chess while the NYG play checkers....
Real objective aren't you! Hate to tell you but they outplayed Washington and should have won and would have won if their place kicker did not get hurt So to say we are closer to 0-6 is a bit slanted.
Like Terps said above, this division is wide open and stinks right now.
and if Ojulari plays well again I would try to squeeze a 3rd or 4th out of a team. But FMV is probably a 5th or a 6th. I'm a big fan of Slayton, but I'll take a 3rd or a 4th.
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but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.
How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
I'm not as certain the brass saw/sees things as you claim.
Should the Giants be trade deadline sellers? Yes. Any player not named Lawrence, Thomas or Nabers for whom accretive draft capital is offered should be sent packing. The 2025 draft is a better quarterback draft than is currently being speculated. The only thing that matters for this team at this point is getting the one who turns out to be the next Stroud or Daniels.
Slayton should be moved definitely
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What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.
Real objective aren't you! Hate to tell you but they outplayed Washington and should have won and would have won if their place kicker did not get hurt So to say we are closer to 0-6 is a bit slanted.
The myths that develop on here. Washington scored every single drive in that game. Every single one.
And your HC being a fool is not an argument you should have won a game but an argument he should lose his job.
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but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.
How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
I'm not as certain the brass saw/sees things as you claim.
Look at the objective offseason moves, it is clear. Show any concrete evidence to support your claim. If they bet the farm on X, Barkley, and sent picks to move up you might have a point but they did none of that. They let them walk because the cap was the priority, not winning now.
You’ll be surprised what other teams value Ojulari at. He’s a young pass rusher who has been productive. I’m not saying a 1st or a 2nd, but a 3rd would not shock me. Guys often DO get better in their age 24 season, and Azeez looks to be an ascending player.
I would do this in a heartbeat. Let the Ghost try another team.
We might get a day two pick if Detroit feels the urgency.
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They aren't getting anything for any of those guys.
You’ll be surprised what other teams value Ojulari at. He’s a young pass rusher who has been productive. I’m not saying a 1st or a 2nd, but a 3rd would not shock me. Guys often DO get better in their age 24 season, and Azeez looks to be an ascending player.
Not getting a 3rd for Ojulari. he is certainly not a game changer, he is a free agent and he gets injured a lot.
Could we replicate the previous trade?
I would do that in a heartbeat!
The return is minimal. Another good game or two could put AO in position to garner something while making him too expensive to re-sign. Slayton won't get squat and he ought to be replaced.
The team is NOT in tear down territory. It is in get a QB and we are competitive territory.
Pick up the phone if it rings, but no reason to give anyone away.
Sitting at 2-5 should knock some reality into anyone thinking of taking the division, and the WC probably isn't coming from the East. Technically not out of it, but put down the pipe if you would refuse to listen because we might go on a streak.
You mean give the other team our first and second to take him?
Spoiler: Unless something drastic happens, we aren't getting to 9 wins with Daniel Jones at QB.
Why is it a shame?
Besides, the main problem at QB can't be fixed via trades so...what are they going to buy?
And if any offer is close with a team we still have to play, tell them we will not bench Jones for that game.
Is it possible to make Daniel look any worse, other than an injury to AT.