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will the giants become sellers with a loss sunday?

IMO, Azeez, slayton, hyatt, singletary, etc should be put on the block with a loss sunday. do you think they will?
Sell what?  
Matt M. : 12:42 pm : link
They aren't getting anything for any of those guys.
Hopefully  
56goat : 12:43 pm : link
starting with DJ.
They were smart enough to trade Leo  
JonC : 12:43 pm : link
but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.
Ojulari  
jvm52106 : 12:44 pm : link
could be a guy other teams (Lions) covet. If that is the case, regardless of depth we take that opportunity.

Slayton could still be a target by others and we should not ignore that. We will NOT be paying Slayton big money for a new contract so load up on picks for the next big step we take.
RE: Ojulari  
Matt M. : 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16648241 jvm52106 said:
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could be a guy other teams (Lions) covet. If that is the case, regardless of depth we take that opportunity.

Slayton could still be a target by others and we should not ignore that. We will NOT be paying Slayton big money for a new contract so load up on picks for the next big step we take.
Load up on picks? What do you think you are getting for either Slayton or Ojulari?
Sellers?  
Go Terps : 12:53 pm : link
9 wins might be enough for this crappy division.
Teams should always  
pjcas18 : 12:54 pm : link
be sellers depending on the player, age, salary, fit, etc.

I'll provide an example.

In 2009, the Patriots were still absolutely a contender, they were coming off the Matt Light year, where the team went 11-5 with a backup QB.

Just prior to the start of the season they traded Richard Seymour. Their best defensive player. They acquired a 1st round pick and used it on Nate Solder. Your evaluation of Solder may vary, but that's irrelevant. It was the smartness of being a seller on a 29-year-old future hall-of-famer at the edge of his prime. Seymour did go to two pro-bowls with Oakland, but it was clearly the right move swapping a back-9 DL for a rookie stalwart OT.

So, yes, the Giants possibly should be sellers and what happens Sunday is irrelevant.
RE: They were smart enough to trade Leo  
Blue Baas : 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16648240 JonC said:
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but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.


How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.
RE: Teams should always  
pjcas18 : 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16648259 pjcas18 said:
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be sellers depending on the player, age, salary, fit, etc.

I'll provide an example.

In 2009, the Patriots were still absolutely a contender, they were coming off the Matt Light year, where the team went 11-5 with a backup QB.

Just prior to the start of the season they traded Richard Seymour. Their best defensive player. They acquired a 1st round pick and used it on Nate Solder. Your evaluation of Solder may vary, but that's irrelevant. It was the smartness of being a seller on a 29-year-old future hall-of-famer at the edge of his prime. Seymour did go to two pro-bowls with Oakland, but it was clearly the right move swapping a back-9 DL for a rookie stalwart OT.

So, yes, the Giants possibly should be sellers and what happens Sunday is irrelevant.


Matt Light year s/b Matt Cassell year
They have the same record as the Jets,  
as according to some of the geniuses on the other thread, we should be buyers.
I think they should  
Biteymax22 : 1:06 pm : link
but history has shown that its 50/50 whether or not they would.

If anyone were to be moved, I think Ojulari would be the guy they target, specifically if he has another good game. He plays a high value position, we're unlikely to pay him next offseason and another good game would put him in a "high stock" position.

I think the guys that are going to be here next year and are connected to helping a QB (WRs, TEs or OL) won't be moved unless we've really given up on someone (Hyatt???).
Schoen/Daboll probably think that  
Metnut : 1:06 pm : link
the difference between 4-13 and 7-10 is their jobs. So no, I doubt they sell.
too soon  
AROCK1000 : 1:10 pm : link
More from a PR stand point than anything else...
They are trying to change the culture,selling now doesnt help that
Who are we selling?  
Section331 : 1:11 pm : link
The roster is fairly young, I don't see too many moveable guys other than maybe Slayton.
.  
Go Terps : 1:13 pm : link
What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.
I  
AcidTest : 1:25 pm : link
doubt it. My guess is that even if they get blown out by the Eagles, they may still feel like they have a chance at the playoffs with 10 games remaining.

And as someone said, we wouldn't get much for Ojulari, Slayton, Hyatt, or Singletary. Ojulari has an injury history and is a FA next year. Slayton is tied for the league lead in drops and is also a FA next year. Hyatt has done nothing. The whole league knows that he just runs fast. Singletary is a journeyman RB. Tracy is a better option at this point.
Do you think that teams in the NFL  
Dnew15 : 1:31 pm : link
legit tank?

Wasn't there a "thing" with the Dolphins at one point? Where there were allegations that the owner was telling the coaching staff to lose games? The tank for Tua thing...

Do you think the Pats missed that FG last year against the Giants on purpose? It was like a 25 yrd field goal with both teams left for dead.

IDK - if these other teams are tanking and making it look good while the Giants are out there beating the Washington's and NE Pats of the world - other franchises are playing chess while the NYG play checkers....
RE: .  
Bruner4329 : 1:32 pm : link
In comment 16648293 Go Terps said:
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What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.


Real objective aren't you! Hate to tell you but they outplayed Washington and should have won and would have won if their place kicker did not get hurt So to say we are closer to 0-6 is a bit slanted.
I wish they were going to be sellers...  
bw in dc : 1:34 pm : link
But I think there is a better chance they are buyers, even with a loss Sunday.

Like Terps said above, this division is wide open and stinks right now.
They should be sellers  
M.S. : 1:42 pm : link

and if Ojulari plays well again I would try to squeeze a 3rd or 4th out of a team. But FMV is probably a 5th or a 6th. I'm a big fan of Slayton, but I'll take a 3rd or a 4th.
RE: RE: They were smart enough to trade Leo  
JonC : 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16648269 Blue Baas said:
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but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.



How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.


I'm not as certain the brass saw/sees things as you claim.
Will the Giants be trade deadline sellers?  
The Mike : 1:52 pm : link
No. The delusional denial continues for this sad franchise. There is probably a greater chance that they will be buyers than sellers, especially if they beat the Eagles this week.

Should the Giants be trade deadline sellers? Yes. Any player not named Lawrence, Thomas or Nabers for whom accretive draft capital is offered should be sent packing. The 2025 draft is a better quarterback draft than is currently being speculated. The only thing that matters for this team at this point is getting the one who turns out to be the next Stroud or Daniels.
Yes. Yes they should  
HardTruth : 1:55 pm : link
But they won’t.

Slayton should be moved definitely
I wonder what the Lions  
mittenedman : 1:57 pm : link
would give up for Thibs, and what the interest level would be on trading him.
RE: RE: .  
HardTruth : 1:57 pm : link
In comment 16648318 Bruner4329 said:
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What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.



Real objective aren't you! Hate to tell you but they outplayed Washington and should have won and would have won if their place kicker did not get hurt So to say we are closer to 0-6 is a bit slanted.


The myths that develop on here. Washington scored every single drive in that game. Every single one.

And your HC being a fool is not an argument you should have won a game but an argument he should lose his job.
We have too many holes to fill..  
DefenseWins : 1:59 pm : link
and we would still need to replace the majority of those guys. So, what are we actually gaining here?
RE: RE: RE: They were smart enough to trade Leo  
Blue Baas : 2:01 pm : link
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but not SB or X, and they built 2024 to win now, so my confidence in them remains low. Can't mess up Daniel's chances out there.



How was 2024 built to "win now"? It was the exact opposite - it was a lame duck year for Jones. They didn't mortgage the future, they built the trenches, didn't reach and stuck with youth, and only restructured AT and Dex. Pretty sure they're the second youngest team and about to move on to a new QB and their main offensive weapon is a rookie. After they cut a couple guys they're near the top in 2025 money.



I'm not as certain the brass saw/sees things as you claim.


Look at the objective offseason moves, it is clear. Show any concrete evidence to support your claim. If they bet the farm on X, Barkley, and sent picks to move up you might have a point but they did none of that. They let them walk because the cap was the priority, not winning now.
RE: Sell what?  
Breeze_94 : 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16648236 Matt M. said:
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They aren't getting anything for any of those guys.


You’ll be surprised what other teams value Ojulari at. He’s a young pass rusher who has been productive. I’m not saying a 1st or a 2nd, but a 3rd would not shock me. Guys often DO get better in their age 24 season, and Azeez looks to be an ascending player.
RE: I wonder what the Lions  
bw in dc : 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16648361 mittenedman said:
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would give up for Thibs, and what the interest level would be on trading him.


I would do this in a heartbeat. Let the Ghost try another team.

We might get a day two pick if Detroit feels the urgency.
RE: RE: Sell what?  
lecky : 2:29 pm : link
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They aren't getting anything for any of those guys.



You’ll be surprised what other teams value Ojulari at. He’s a young pass rusher who has been productive. I’m not saying a 1st or a 2nd, but a 3rd would not shock me. Guys often DO get better in their age 24 season, and Azeez looks to be an ascending player.


Not getting a 3rd for Ojulari. he is certainly not a game changer, he is a free agent and he gets injured a lot.
You might be able to trade a Hyatt to KC because they love aimless  
GiantBlue : 2:30 pm : link
track stars who can't tell the difference between the hash marks and the running lanes of a track course.

Could we replicate the previous trade?

I would do that in a heartbeat!

Only sell  
fkap : 2:32 pm : link
if the player is not part of the plan for 2025. Ojulari and Slayton may fit that description. One has an injury history, and the other has a history of drops. With Thibs out, AO is pretty much it. Nabers will be back, but no Slayton would put the WR corp at razor thin.

The return is minimal. Another good game or two could put AO in position to garner something while making him too expensive to re-sign. Slayton won't get squat and he ought to be replaced.

The team is NOT in tear down territory. It is in get a QB and we are competitive territory.

Pick up the phone if it rings, but no reason to give anyone away.

Sitting at 2-5 should knock some reality into anyone thinking of taking the division, and the WC probably isn't coming from the East. Technically not out of it, but put down the pipe if you would refuse to listen because we might go on a streak.
We should sell Jones for a 1st next year and a 2nd in 2026  
PatersonPlank : 2:35 pm : link
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RE: We should sell Jones for a 1st next year and a 2nd in 2026  
fkap : 2:38 pm : link
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You mean give the other team our first and second to take him?
RE: Sellers?  
FStubbs : 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16648256 Go Terps said:
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9 wins might be enough for this crappy division.


Spoiler: Unless something drastic happens, we aren't getting to 9 wins with Daniel Jones at QB.
RE: .  
joe48 : 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16648293 Go Terps said:
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What's sad is the Giants probably think their 2-4 record could be 4-2, when in truth they're closer to 0-6. They beat Cleveland (a dysfunctional team) because their OL and Cooper got hurt in-game, and they tried very hard to give the game in Seattle away. It's a shame they won those two games.

Why is it a shame?
No, they're too fucking dumb for that  
Gforce11 : 4:25 pm : link
I mean, they should be sellers, but ownership on down thinks they are legit contenders so...nope!

Besides, the main problem at QB can't be fixed via trades so...what are they going to buy?
Slayton should be resigned  
OBJ_AllDay : 4:55 pm : link
I'll die on that hill. He's a bargain. If he signs for less than 10 mil a year do it. Unless you want to allocate 20 mil to the other wr position outside of Nabers and target someone like Higgins. Rather not use draft capital to draft a wr high especially when trading up for a qb is going to be a priority.
I don't think we will sell on O  
Jerry in_DC : 5:20 pm : link
Unless Jones is benched/injured. Mara will not sanction anything that could make Daniel look worse. On D, it's possible. We have seen that before.
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I hope so, but I doubt it. Mara probably hates the perception of us throwing away the season by trading dudes off, even though we should. Ya know John...those late season wins in a season that was over in October mean so much!
Really the only guys you are thinking about selling  
nygiants16 : 6:44 pm : link
is Slayton, Ojulari, pinnock?, singletary, maybe Eleumanor? but id be hesitant on that one
Hyatt?  
jeff57 : 6:47 pm : link
They wouldn’t get a used jock for him.
Would basically sell almost anyone except for  
ThomasG : 6:53 pm : link
Dex, Thomas and Nabers.

And if any offer is close with a team we still have to play, tell them we will not bench Jones for that game.
RE: I don't think we will sell on O  
56goat : 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16648636 Jerry in_DC said:
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Unless Jones is benched/injured. Mara will not sanction anything that could make Daniel look worse. On D, it's possible. We have seen that before.


Is it possible to make Daniel look any worse, other than an injury to AT.
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