If the Giants have the 6th pick or lower in next April’s draft the assumption is, with the need for QBs, most of the top ones will be gone in the top 5.
That means, IMO, a trade up where the Giants offer their 2026 #1 is a given.
But if that is not enough, would you sweeten the deal with that #1 and a package of future picks?
Would you offer the 26’ #1 and a player from this last draft class: Nubin or Phillips?
Would you offer the 26’ #1 and Dexter?
Who's above us-QB needy teams. Perhaps NE the only one willing to deal. Who's available-we know the likely parties: Beck, Cam, Sanders, Ewers, etc. Post combine trade so these guys will line up. Did we sign a guy? Like who? Darnold?
Then again, I was also in favor of taking Barkley at #2 because of my overall dislike of the QBs.
I wanted no part of Darnold at all. Same for Josh Rosen or Mayfield. Allen I was wary of, recognizing the ceiling for him was high. Incidentally, I had similar feelings about Penix this draft. Very high ceiling, but a low floor.
Just kidding not that much, but a lot, especially in terms of draft picks.
and then you have to consider the sloppy second effect. Presuming the top QBs are going pick #1 & #2, do you want the Giants to trade up to the into the 3-5 range to get a lesser QB prospect?
2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB."
This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????
2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB."
This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????
Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft.
Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost...
Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025.
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2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB."
2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB."
This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????
Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft.
Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost...
Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025.
I believe McCarthy was the perfect play for the Giants. His age and his ceiling made him a perfect fit for a NYG front office that clearly hadn't/hasn't seen enough of Jones yet.
Consider how different things look for this franchise even if we had the same 2-4 record, Jones was just as bad, but we had McCarthy (injured or not!).
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2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB."
2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB."
This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????
Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft.
Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost...
Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025.
I believe McCarthy was the perfect play for the Giants. His age and his ceiling made him a perfect fit for a NYG front office that clearly hadn't/hasn't seen enough of Jones yet.
Consider how different things look for this franchise even if we had the same 2-4 record, Jones was just as bad, but we had McCarthy (injured or not!).
I agree. I was certain that when the Vikings did not jump in front of us, that JJ would be the pick.
I also agree that 2-4 doesn't look quite as bad when you have hope for the future i.e. a potential franchise QB.
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2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB."
2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB."
This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????
Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft.
Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost...
Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025.
I believe McCarthy was the perfect play for the Giants. His age and his ceiling made him a perfect fit for a NYG front office that clearly hadn't/hasn't seen enough of Jones yet.
Consider how different things look for this franchise even if we had the same 2-4 record, Jones was just as bad, but we had McCarthy (injured or not!).
The same people complaining because we didn't blindly draft whatever QB fell to us last year are now complaining (in October) about who we might draft next year. And it's not even like we passed on have given us anything to bitch about.
As ever, the Giants could draft an inanimate carbon rod and there'd be people here supporting the strategy.
Sometimes you have to either force the pick, or take a late round flyer on a guy. The Giants have done neither in the past, and people here have applauded that. No problem with that, but then acknowledge that you are ok staying with Jones as long as it takes until need meets draft position, even if that is another 3-5 years.
Season still has to play out and perhaps they wind up getting a new HC which can change things dramatically.
We have to draft a QB somewhere but at this point I'd be fine if it's not the 1st. If we draft another Mara favorite in the 1st, that means we're committed for 5+ years. Might be better to load up the rest of the team and see if we can get lucky and Daboll can coach up an unheralded combo of FA vet/rookie.
You think Penix misses on the wide open deep balls Jones has? I don't. If he'd been out opening day starter I think we're feeling very different right now. He was a perfect match for Slayton and Hyatt, with Robinson operating underneath.
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6. The season and the future would be looking radically different even if he was sitting on the bench.
You think Penix misses on the wide open deep balls Jones has? I don't. If he'd been out opening day starter I think we're feeling very different right now. He was a perfect match for Slayton and Hyatt, with Robinson operating underneath.
I think we are going to be really sad we passed on Penix when he gets his chance to play and we see what he's all about.
Ryan may not be sad, but everybody else will be.
Yeah he's fast. I don't know how often he'll run though because he's very decisive as a passer. His pressure to sack ratio was the best in college football in many years.
He threw the ball a ton, had a completion percentage and Y/A that was right there with the other QBs in that draft, and made very few negative plays. I still don't understand the criticism that went his way. The injury concern was fair, though the Giants didn't have him color coded as an injury concern on their board.
The Giants just didn't like him as much as Jones, I guess. Or they thought Nabers would make more impact. We've seen the wisdom of that so far.
All of Penix, McCarthy and Nix were not good enough for NYG at six. All got picked within the ten picks which followed. Schoen could have drafted any of these QBs without giving up anything. Schoen could have drafted a WR in the second round or even traded for Aiyuk if he was that obsessed with improving WR.
Nabers is very good, but Daboll is predictably force feeding him. The poor guy already has a serious concussion.
The biggest disappointment is the thought from Schoen & Daboll that this offense would become an explosive passing offense because of Nabers with the same QB. Why did they think this? Did they not know Jones' limitations? Sure enough, Daboll has reverted back to the 2022 offense.
Watching Penix would have been fun.