Inside BBI: Daniel Jones I’M Done With You Recap

Knowing our luck, he'll get injured against Philly and we're stuck with him.

In comment 16649189 ColHowPepper said:

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but I think the injury guarantee trumps all. 99% of fans would be grateful and relieved if Jones were not starting beginning now and of course for '25, but if that is because that guarantee has been triggered, it guts the team's flexibility to improve, across the board.

I hear ya and I agree 100%! The only contradiction I’ve read to this on BBI is the “concern” that a back-up might actually win a few meaningless games thus depriving the Giants once more of a premium Top 3 draft position.

In comment 16649215 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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We've had 3 different GMs in the past decade. We've had 5 different HCs in the past decade. Who's to blame? I can't see it any other way. John Mara.

Careful, you'll get all of the Mara loyalists pissed. Look, Schoen and Daboll may end up not being the right guys, but both are well-respected NFL personnel and Coach. They didn't become stupid all of a sudden.

They know what a liability Jones is. Daboll has spent his tenure here trying to scheme around it. His post-game presser barely concealed his contempt for Jones - he's working as hard as he can to be as good as he can, what does that even mean? - I think he's frustrated being stuck with Jones.

So is Schoen insisting on Jones playing? Maybe, but I find it hard to believe that he would ignore his HC pleading to make a change.

Now, I don't think Mara has put a "you have to play Daniel" edict down, but I do think he likely said "you guys decided to pay him, you need to figure it out."

and I'm not pandering because I've met Eric or have been on the site for ions. Your take (here and typically) is relatable because above all, you're fans, and you're saying the things the vast majority of us feel, think and say in our own walk-around lives.

I've been "Team Daniel" for a very long time, but it's painfully clear that he is NOT the answer, and in fact, he's a big reason the Giants don't have a slightly better record this season, specifically.

It's baffling to me that Brian Daboll is sticking with it ... maybe to the point that he'll ride Jones right out of a head coaching job sooner rather than later. Like you both, I don't want to see Jones under center this weekend, but know we will.

I've joked that I wonder if there are so many QB keeper types of plays because deep down, Daboll knows that an injured Daniel Jones is the only way he can get away with starting someone else. Maybe I'm not even joking at this point.

Anyhow, this sucks ... but you guys are doing good stuff. As always, thanks.

When he says:

“It’s not the 70s, people aren’t just going to come back to this”

Gives them less possibility of talking themselves back into Jones

In comment 16649389 Beezer said:

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and I'm not pandering because I've met Eric or have been on the site for ions. Your take (here and typically) is relatable because above all, you're fans, and you're saying the things the vast majority of us feel, think and say in our own walk-around lives. I've been "Team Daniel" for a very long time, but it's painfully clear that he is NOT the answer, and in fact, he's a big reason the Giants don't have a slightly better record this season, specifically. It's baffling to me that Brian Daboll is sticking with it ... maybe to the point that he'll ride Jones right out of a head coaching job sooner rather than later. Like you both, I don't want to see Jones under center this weekend, but know we will. I've joked that I wonder if there are so many QB keeper types of plays because deep down, Daboll knows that an injured Daniel Jones is the only way he can get away with starting someone else. Maybe I'm not even joking at this point. Anyhow, this sucks ... but you guys are doing good stuff. As always, thanks.

Thanks!

In comment 16649209 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16649207 upnyg said: Quote: on Jones. He should sit, no doubt. But at this point....Coach has to bench him. If he can't do that, then he needs to go. I doubt it is Shoen making that call. If its ownership, then not much we can do....but its no longer Jones' "fault" at this point. We know what he is, and he's playing to his best efforts (its what Daboll said). Unless they are tanking, then we wont know that strategy. But Jones needs a change of scenery at this point. Its hard to be mad at him anymore. Its just bad and getting worse for the franchise. Leadership looks weak. If you watched the video, it's not anger. As I repeatedly said, the situation just sucks the life out of you. Does anyone actually REALLY look forward to Giants games anymore? Or do you watch out of a morbid sense of impending doom?

Wasn't really directed at the video, just the overall feeling. Pull the band aid off, sit Jones and try something else...that's where I'm at. And unlike others, I dont want to see them tank, i know, I know then we miss the #1 Qb. I think we should look at a trade or FA anyways. I'm not convinced these guys can mentor a young QB. Buffalo's Allen is good, has traits, etc....Daboll maybe made him better, maybe not.

Go get a coach, a GM, an owner, whatever, but do SOMETHING!

In comment 16649392 ajr2456 said:

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Gives them less possibility of talking themselves back into Jones

I disagree with you here. Whenever a player isn't the one crapping the bed, they are the greatest. See Cutlets. THAT SAID, They can't keep Jones in. He WILL get injured. We Will be stuck with him and we will get screwed. I think you run Lock out there let him 'develop' or crap the bed. Wind up with better picks in 2025, lose a little more of the fan base, and pick a QB in the spring. Let DJ go to Minnesota, Seattle or Carolina to become the best regular season QB only to get crushed in the playoffs. We need to move on.

In comment 16649451 Dinger said:

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In comment 16649392 ajr2456 said: Quote: Gives them less possibility of talking themselves back into Jones I disagree with you here. Whenever a player isn't the one crapping the bed, they are the greatest. See Cutlets. THAT SAID, They can't keep Jones in. He WILL get injured. We Will be stuck with him and we will get screwed. I think you run Lock out there let him 'develop' or crap the bed. Wind up with better picks in 2025, lose a little more of the fan base, and pick a QB in the spring. Let DJ go to Minnesota, Seattle or Carolina to become the best regular season QB only to get crushed in the playoffs. We need to move on.

DJ is coming back next year. The way the contract is constructed, it is a virtual certainty. Why take a big dead cap hit by cutting him when for the same marginal cost of a backup he can simply be that guy? So the injury issue is frankly moot. Next year he will either be a backup or a bridge to the guy they draft in 2025. And then, at some point in January 2026, there will be a shout of freedom such that the world has never heard when he is finally cut.

So the best course of action is to have DJ start the rest of the season. This does two things: 1) it gives this team the best chance to lose the most possible games in 2024 and best possible draft position for 2025 and 2) Mara will finally capitulate to the self-evident fact that it has always been DJ who was weakest link for this offense and the primary problem with this team. And the entire narrative that the "Giants let DJ down" will be permanently and forever replaced with "it was Mara/Gettleman/Schoen/DJ who let the Giants franchise and its fans down for these six years".

every year. Incompetence in the truest sense of the word.

The true vitriol on this site is from that group of posters on here the attacked anybody being critical of his play for years. That group may have gotten smaller and more silent (out of pure embarrassment), but they still very much exist.

In comment 16649482 The Mike said:

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In comment 16649451 Dinger said: Quote: In comment 16649392 ajr2456 said: Quote: Gives them less possibility of talking themselves back into Jones I disagree with you here. Whenever a player isn't the one crapping the bed, they are the greatest. See Cutlets. THAT SAID, They can't keep Jones in. He WILL get injured. We Will be stuck with him and we will get screwed. I think you run Lock out there let him 'develop' or crap the bed. Wind up with better picks in 2025, lose a little more of the fan base, and pick a QB in the spring. Let DJ go to Minnesota, Seattle or Carolina to become the best regular season QB only to get crushed in the playoffs. We need to move on. DJ is coming back next year. The way the contract is constructed, it is a virtual certainty. Why take a big dead cap hit by cutting him when for the same marginal cost of a backup he can simply be that guy? So the injury issue is frankly moot. Next year he will either be a backup or a bridge to the guy they draft in 2025. And then, at some point in January 2026, there will be a shout of freedom such that the world has never heard when he is finally cut. So the best course of action is to have DJ start the rest of the season. This does two things: 1) it gives this team the best chance to lose the most possible games in 2024 and best possible draft position for 2025 and 2) Mara will finally capitulate to the self-evident fact that it has always been DJ who was weakest link for this offense and the primary problem with this team. And the entire narrative that the "Giants let DJ down" will be permanently and forever replaced with "it was Mara/Gettleman/Schoen/DJ who let the Giants franchise and its fans down for these six years".

Sorry, you lost me.

If we cut Jones next year, we eat $22mil in dead cap. If we keep Jones next year he makes around $40 million correct?

chanting his name when they beat the hapless Colts in the regular season finale.

"The Giants are Back!..."

My ass.

Well said Eric. I'm 100% done with Jones too. Giants games have turned into a strange form of sports torture for the dwindling portion of the fan base that can still bear to watch The Giants' owners are taking us for granted and, at this point, it feels like they're outright abusing us. I guess we’re just the fools who keep swallowing their crap sandwiches year after year, washing them down with a free medium Pepsi.

When Papa and Banks turn on you, that is pretty telling.

In comment 16649497 ThomasG said:

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every year. Incompetence in the truest sense of the word. The true vitriol on this site is from that group of posters on here the attacked anybody being critical of his play for years. That group may have gotten smaller and more silent (out of pure embarrassment), but they still very much exist.

This

In comment 16648951 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 16648948 ray in arlington said: Quote: In comment 16648930 jvm52106 said: Quote: In comment 16648910 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I didn't remember calling Daniel a little bitch. Ha, I missed that too. Lol Regarding your comment about passing up the extra point attempt at 29-20 - there is a reason for that - a blocked kick return (which just happened to the Seahawks) makes it 29-22 with Seattle getting the ball. That being said, I think it is better not to worry about it and try to go up by 10. Yeah, I know the "mathematics " but that weird 30 point barrier to me and being up 10 would have meant more. Worried about a blocked extra point is pretty "scared ball" to me..

It's not scared call there is literally no practical reason to go for 30. Even if they did go for 30, it's not like all of those 30 were by the offense, so who cares?

Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday.

In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said:

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Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday.

And why is that?

In comment 16649509 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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In comment 16649482 The Mike said: Quote: In comment 16649451 Dinger said: Quote: In comment 16649392 ajr2456 said: Quote: Gives them less possibility of talking themselves back into Jones I disagree with you here. Whenever a player isn't the one crapping the bed, they are the greatest. See Cutlets. THAT SAID, They can't keep Jones in. He WILL get injured. We Will be stuck with him and we will get screwed. I think you run Lock out there let him 'develop' or crap the bed. Wind up with better picks in 2025, lose a little more of the fan base, and pick a QB in the spring. Let DJ go to Minnesota, Seattle or Carolina to become the best regular season QB only to get crushed in the playoffs. We need to move on. DJ is coming back next year. The way the contract is constructed, it is a virtual certainty. Why take a big dead cap hit by cutting him when for the same marginal cost of a backup he can simply be that guy? So the injury issue is frankly moot. Next year he will either be a backup or a bridge to the guy they draft in 2025. And then, at some point in January 2026, there will be a shout of freedom such that the world has never heard when he is finally cut. So the best course of action is to have DJ start the rest of the season. This does two things: 1) it gives this team the best chance to lose the most possible games in 2024 and best possible draft position for 2025 and 2) Mara will finally capitulate to the self-evident fact that it has always been DJ who was weakest link for this offense and the primary problem with this team. And the entire narrative that the "Giants let DJ down" will be permanently and forever replaced with "it was Mara/Gettleman/Schoen/DJ who let the Giants franchise and its fans down for these six years". Sorry, you lost me. If we cut Jones next year, we eat $22mil in dead cap. If we keep Jones next year he makes around $40 million correct?

My understanding is it is closer to thirty... So the incremental of keeping him is less than ten. Christian has made this case on other posts.

In comment 16649596 The Mike said:

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In comment 16649509 SirLoinOfBeef said: Quote: In comment 16649482 The Mike said: Quote: In comment 16649451 Dinger said: Quote: In comment 16649392 ajr2456 said: Quote: Gives them less possibility of talking themselves back into Jones I disagree with you here. Whenever a player isn't the one crapping the bed, they are the greatest. See Cutlets. THAT SAID, They can't keep Jones in. He WILL get injured. We Will be stuck with him and we will get screwed. I think you run Lock out there let him 'develop' or crap the bed. Wind up with better picks in 2025, lose a little more of the fan base, and pick a QB in the spring. Let DJ go to Minnesota, Seattle or Carolina to become the best regular season QB only to get crushed in the playoffs. We need to move on. DJ is coming back next year. The way the contract is constructed, it is a virtual certainty. Why take a big dead cap hit by cutting him when for the same marginal cost of a backup he can simply be that guy? So the injury issue is frankly moot. Next year he will either be a backup or a bridge to the guy they draft in 2025. And then, at some point in January 2026, there will be a shout of freedom such that the world has never heard when he is finally cut. So the best course of action is to have DJ start the rest of the season. This does two things: 1) it gives this team the best chance to lose the most possible games in 2024 and best possible draft position for 2025 and 2) Mara will finally capitulate to the self-evident fact that it has always been DJ who was weakest link for this offense and the primary problem with this team. And the entire narrative that the "Giants let DJ down" will be permanently and forever replaced with "it was Mara/Gettleman/Schoen/DJ who let the Giants franchise and its fans down for these six years". Sorry, you lost me. If we cut Jones next year, we eat $22mil in dead cap. If we keep Jones next year he makes around $40 million correct? My understanding is it is closer to thirty... So the incremental of keeping him is less than ten. Christian has made this case on other posts.

That is conflating numbers. The Giants owe Daniel Jones 22 million is cap dollars from his signing bonus, which is prorated over the 2 years left on the contract. Soz if the Giants cut him, they take the full cap hit in 2025, rather than 11 in 2025 and 11 in 2026. If the Giants keep him, Jones gets an additional 30 million in base salary for 2025. So the additional cost of keeping him is 30 million.

Basically, if Jones is cut this offseason, they have 22 million against the 2025 cap and nothing on the 2026 cap. If they keep him for next year, it's 41 million against the cap for 2025, and 11 on the cap for 2026. The point being, bringing Jones back is a 30 million dollar proposition

In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said:

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Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday.

We know, the bad games don’t count and only the good ones do.

In comment 16649607 Blue The Dog said:

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Basically, if Jones is cut this offseason, they have 22 million against the 2025 cap and nothing on the 2026 cap. If they keep him for next year, it's 41 million against the cap for 2025, and 11 on the cap for 2026. The point being, bringing Jones back is a 30 million dollar proposition

Really, this is the correct math?

It would be insane to have dollars attributable to Jones under the 2026 cap. Even as a backup.

If that is the case, I stand corrected. And it then makes zero sense to not cut him right after the 2024 season. And the injury settlement risk means DJ should not play again after the bye week.

The easiest way to think about the cap implications is to not worry about the years, but just focus on the dollars.

- If they cut Jones after this season they have 22.21M left to account for
- If he's a Giant in 2025 they 22.21M + 30.5M = 52.71M left to account for

They have the tools to divvy up those numbers across 1 or 2 years (via post June designation, void years, etc.)

The reason I believe Jones has a strong chance of returning in the event he has a moderately productive season, is that in terms of real new money he would cost 30.5M.

That's not a huge sum of money for a 1-year bridge guy, with nothing guaranteed after.

In comment 16649636 christian said:

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The easiest way to think about the cap implications is to not worry about the years, but just focus on the dollars. - If they cut Jones after this season they have 22.21M left to account for - If he's a Giant in 2025 they 22.21M + 30.5M = 52.71M left to account for They have the tools to divvy up those numbers across 1 or 2 years (via post June designation, void years, etc.) The reason I believe Jones has a strong chance of returning in the event he has a moderately productive season, is that in terms of real new money he would cost 30.5M. That's not a huge sum of money for a 1-year bridge guy, with nothing guaranteed after.

I disagree pretty heavily on that last point. If they truly are looking for a bridge, 30 million is extremely high.

Recent examples of bridge QB contracts:
Minshew - 2024 - $25 million over 2 years
Darnold - 2024 - $10 million for 1 year
Brisket - 2024 - $8 million for 1 year
Mayfield - 2023 - $4 million for 1 year

I hear you. The more accurate way for me to put that is 30M isn't all that much for one year of a quarterback that the staff trusts, knows the system, and his earned his way back.

In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said:

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Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday.

My reaction to the Seattle game was basically "So what? Daniel Jones still sucks." That reaction made you angry.

What reaction do you want?

Sounds familiar....

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Sounds familiar....

I knew that would get me in trouble as soon as I said it.

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In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday. My reaction to the Seattle game was basically "So what? Daniel Jones still sucks." That reaction made you angry. What reaction do you want?

Jones could throw for 599 yards and 4 tds Sunday and it wouldn’t matter. It’s over

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In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday. My reaction to the Seattle game was basically "So what? Daniel Jones still sucks." That reaction made you angry. What reaction do you want?

At this point, I doubt there is much that could happen to change the overwhelming opinion of Jones win or lose. Think about it, Seattle was possibly his best game as a Giant; at least one of his top 5. And it was a decent game by current QB standards. Do you really think he has an elite QB performance? That's what it would take for me and many others to back of for a minute and even consider that maybe he doesn't suck. Not to think he's good, but to think he doesn't suck. Would another decent, but not special game from him elicit confidence? Even if they win, the win will be nice, but it won't change the trajectory of him of the team beyond that week.

In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said:

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Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday.

Is this supposed to be an argument?

In comment 16649651 Blue The Dog said:

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In comment 16649636 christian said: Quote: The easiest way to think about the cap implications is to not worry about the years, but just focus on the dollars. - If they cut Jones after this season they have 22.21M left to account for - If he's a Giant in 2025 they 22.21M + 30.5M = 52.71M left to account for They have the tools to divvy up those numbers across 1 or 2 years (via post June designation, void years, etc.) The reason I believe Jones has a strong chance of returning in the event he has a moderately productive season, is that in terms of real new money he would cost 30.5M. That's not a huge sum of money for a 1-year bridge guy, with nothing guaranteed after. I disagree pretty heavily on that last point. If they truly are looking for a bridge, 30 million is extremely high. Recent examples of bridge QB contracts: Minshew - 2024 - $25 million over 2 years Darnold - 2024 - $10 million for 1 year Brisket - 2024 - $8 million for 1 year Mayfield - 2023 - $4 million for 1 year

There were many direction ZZZhoen could have gone other than handing Jones 40 million a year. Dumb.

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In comment 16649704 Sam Huff said: Quote: Sounds familiar.... I knew that would get me in trouble as soon as I said it.

It was a good podcast regardless of this faux pas.

is a horrible price for a bridge QB of the caliber the average BBIer thinks he is. However, IF Schoen/Daboll have a slightly higher opinion, that figure might have merit.

The real number is 19.3 mil. If we cut him after this year, the cap savings is 19.3. You can spread out the signing bonus, but the savings don't change, just the year it gets applied to. That 19.3 mil is what you'll have to replace him. I don't know who the replacement candidates are or what they'll cost.

The goal, assuming we draft a QB, then sit him for a year, is to win games. We know that isn't happening with DJ. Should he turn things around and learn how to win, we're having an entirely different discussion. I would not, barring some modest improvement, pay DJ 19.3 mil. If we're going to lose, just pay some schmuck 5 mil, and spend the other 14 mil to keep whomever this year's Mckinney is, or bring in a FA.

I'd only pay 19 mil to a QB that gives us a good chance at the playoffs. DJ isn't in that category.

Let me be clear -- I don't want Jones back at any price. I'm simply contemplating a scenario where A) Daboll + Schoen are back B) How they might view Jones.

I think the mostly likely sequence of events that lead to Daboll + Schoen both being retained is Jones playing at/near his 2022 level.

So if Jones is coming off a reasonably good season, what might they do? I think it's very likely they would choose to pay Jones 30M for 2025 and attempt to draft his replacement.

I don't think the cap accounting will factor heavily. What will factor heavily is how much new compensation Jones earns.

Keep this in mind, for the 2023 and 2024 season he earned 41M a year. Keeping him for 2025 is a full 10M cheaper.

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In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday. Is this supposed to be an argument?

Unless Jones suddenly becomes the QB he's never been, a win is a sugar high and little more.

In comment 16649757 christian said:

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Let me be clear -- I don't want Jones back at any price. I'm simply contemplating a scenario where A) Daboll + Schoen are back B) How they might view Jones. I think the mostly likely sequence of events that lead to Daboll + Schoen both being retained is Jones playing at/near his 2022 level. So if Jones is coming off a reasonably good season, what might they do? I think it's very likely they would choose to pay Jones 30M for 2025 and attempt to draft his replacement. I don't think the cap accounting will factor heavily. What will factor heavily is how much new compensation Jones earns. Keep this in mind, for the 2023 and 2024 season he earned 41M a year. Keeping him for 2025 is a full 10M cheaper.

Would you say he's had a reasonably good year, so far? With the exception of a couple of really awful games, he hasn't sucked. His accuracy (at all levels) is iffy, and points haven't been there. To be fair, his team mates have had drops/fumbles at inopportune times.

In a scenario where it's a close call, the cap loses some relevancy. In a scenario where Schoen/Daboll see an available replacement equal to DJ at half the cost, the cap absolutely comes in to play.

I believe both Eric & John hit on it, but it can't be understated...it is amazing-AMAZING-how apathetic most of this fan base is @ this point. The Giants have beaten their most diehard fans into the ground. A friend of mine got a tee time for 12:30 on Sunday & asked me if I'm game & the Giants being on @ 1 didn't even cross my mind until like 5 other considerations popped up. I have no interest in watching Daniel Jones play. None.

If that makes me a 'bad fan', so be it. I'm sick & fucking tired of watching this shit.

The Giants lead the league in plays run and are in the bottom five in points per game

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The Giants lead the league in plays run and are in the bottom five in points per game

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Jones...

Three home games: 0 TDs, 4 INTs.

Three road games: 6 TDs, 0 INTs.

In comment 16649591 ryanmkeane said:

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Looking forward to seeing the game thread reactions if we take a lead against Philly on Sunday.

I hope we beat the fucking pants off of Philly on Sunday but it doesn't change the fact that Daniel Jones is inconsistent at best and is done here.

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I hope we beat the fucking pants off of Philly on Sunday but it doesn't change the fact that Daniel Jones is inconsistent at best and is done here.

They are very beatable for sure.

And icing on the cake would be neutralizing Barkley and Tracy/Singletary out-performing him.

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I believe both Eric & John hit on it, but it can't be understated...it is amazing-AMAZING-how apathetic most of this fan base is @ this point. The Giants have beaten their most diehard fans into the ground. A friend of mine got a tee time for 12:30 on Sunday & asked me if I'm game & the Giants being on @ 1 didn't even cross my mind until like 5 other considerations popped up. I have no interest in watching Daniel Jones play. None. If that makes me a 'bad fan', so be it. I'm sick & fucking tired of watching this shit.

I'm much more concerned on the bigger picture items:

1. Who is the GM in January 2025?
2. Who is the HC in January 2025?
3. What is the approach towards QB for 2025?

Nothing else really matters. It really sucks because I did really like Schoen & Daboll. I think Daboll has a chance to be a good head coach. But, Jones just clouds everything. And it's year 6 of Jones with NYG and year 3 of Jones with this regime.

It's hard to be enthusiastic about this regime picking their own QB when they'd be entering year 4 without any real progress.

In comment 16649777 fkap said:

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I don't think the cap accounting will factor heavily. What will factor heavily is how much new compensation Jones earns. Keep this in mind, for the 2023 and 2024 season he earned 41M a year. Keeping him for 2025 is a full 10M cheaper. Would you say he's had a reasonably good year, so far? With the exception of a couple of really awful games, he hasn't sucked. His accuracy (at all levels) is iffy, and points haven't been there. To be fair, his team mates have had drops/fumbles at inopportune times. In a scenario where it's a close call, the cap loses some relevancy. In a scenario where Schoen/Daboll see an available replacement equal to DJ at half the cost, the cap absolutely comes in to play.

I think the Giants will judge him on the full body of work in 2024. If the Giants win 7 games and he goes 3500/20/10, I think that favors Jones for two reasons:

1) They'll likely be picking outside of the top 5 and not control their destiny in landing one of the top college QBs

2) 12M of his 30M salary is guaranteed a month before the draft

That means they'd have to cut Jones before pro days are even complete. Otherwise they have to put a down payment they don't get back.

In that scenario I think they just keep him as insurance and go into the draft hoping for the best.

Sean, that's where I'm at too with Daboll.

He's like the girlfriend you think could be marriage material one day, but she just keeps making bad decisions. At some point you can't risk it.

The Band-aid

Or in this case, clean the infected wound.

Leaving him on is just more malaise.

Jones contract does not have the 2 year out that people think it does as evidenced by the injury clause

But I dont think Schoen gave himself an escape hatch. I think he gave himself a slush fund

Jones contract was constructed so that Y1 gave them room to add for a 2 year run and then they create more room in Y3 by using Jones contract by converting money to sign more players. The Giants have done the FA splurge with McAdoo in 2016, Judge in 2021 and Daboll in 2022. It was planned again

They already did this by tapping into the well before the ink was dry.

“New York has restructured Jones' contract just days before the start of the 2023 season, per ESPN. The Giants created $6.315 million in cap space by converting $8.42 million of Jones's salary into a signing bonus. Jones' cap figures increased by $2.105 million in each of the 2024, 2025, and 2026 seasons as a result. “

If this was planned to be an out, why make it a more expensive one before it even started? Its 22 mil now but it was under 20 when it was signed

getting to listen to these and feel late on the conversation.

Overall, what a bad position this team has put itself in. The coach feels a need to claw out a few wins to save his job, but those wins that help keep his job may take us out of range to draft a QB next year. We also now have a starting QB with a large injury guarantee and no left tackle to protect him.

It feels like we're staring at the headlights of a car coming towards us and can't get out of the way.