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Ian Rap: Andrew Thomas had surgery and is out for the season

Anakim : 10/16/2024 10:13 am
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Wishing him a speedy and complete recovery  
HomerJones45 : 10/16/2024 10:14 am : link
Excellent player and we need him back hale and hearty.
He is an excellent player  
Essex : 10/16/2024 10:16 am : link
but he is injury prone. Not his fault obviously, just a fact.

Good luck in the recovery and hope to better health in future seasons.
Silver lining: better to happen now than in a contending year  
Dave in PA : 10/16/2024 10:17 am : link
season was already down the drain. maybe Mara will give AT a team worthy of his talents at some point in his career. we can hope anyway
Picking Charles Cross over Even Neal  
widmerseyebrow : 10/16/2024 10:19 am : link
would have been really nice.
Igh...  
46and2Blue : 10/16/2024 10:19 am : link
LT tackle all of sudden becomes a big need going into next year. How long can he last with these lower leg injuries
His durability long term is definitely going to be  
logman : 10/16/2024 10:20 am : link
a concern. Damn shame for as good as he is
There’s the DJ excuse crutch for bringing him back  
The_Boss : 10/16/2024 10:24 am : link
Huge loss for this team. He’s likely their best/2nd best player.
IMO  
Breeze_94 : 10/16/2024 10:24 am : link
Neal should play LT. Ezeudu has no chance out there. Keep Maine at RT. Don’t screw with both Tackle Spots.

If LT is an issue, it’s easier to scheme for that than it is both tackle spots by moving the launch point and chipping.
I hope Neal gets burn at either tackle spot  
djm : 10/16/2024 10:25 am : link
just to see wtf this dude has in him. At the very least shit or get off the pot with this guy. He's been healthy the last 2 months or so--he's been practicing. Now or never.
RE: I hope Neal gets burn at either tackle spot  
46and2Blue : 10/16/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16649270 djm said:
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just to see wtf this dude has in him. At the very least shit or get off the pot with this guy. He's been healthy the last 2 months or so--he's been practicing. Now or never.


Might as well, season is essentially lost especially with Thomas out. Seriously F this team for not being prepared with LT depth.
To echo what Daniel and Eric said on the podcast  
FranknWeezer : 10/16/2024 10:29 am : link
before they even knew the outcome with Thomas to be, you can’t play Daniel behind a line with Neal or Ezeudu at LT and risk the injury guarantee. Devito time.
Get Neal out there  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2024 10:30 am : link
whatever happens to Jones happens, don’t care at this point. Need to know who’s part of the future and who isn’t.
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/16/2024 10:38 am : link
I'd bench Jones now

His injury clause is a lot more risky now.
Giants have 11 games to make a decision on Neal's  
Metnut : 10/16/2024 10:41 am : link
5th year option. Seems highly unlikely they exercise it, but would make sense to give him a look there to be sure. Ezeudu has been completely awful at tackle and looked just as bad in the preseason. If Neal isn't better than him, then it's a huge failure by the front office to not have any tackle insurance.

I worry about the limitations of DJ and Daboll's offense now. They struggle to barely even get first downs and need to get 6+ successive first downs to get a TD. How conservative and predictable is it going to get now when they try and scheme extra help for the backup tackle?
RE: RE: I hope Neal gets burn at either tackle spot  
djm : 10/16/2024 10:42 am : link
In comment 16649274 46and2Blue said:
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just to see wtf this dude has in him. At the very least shit or get off the pot with this guy. He's been healthy the last 2 months or so--he's been practicing. Now or never.



Might as well, season is essentially lost especially with Thomas out. Seriously F this team for not being prepared with LT depth.


I mean they signed a good RT and he's played well. They had a pro bowl LT. They had a 7th overall prospect on the bench in Neal. It's pretty hard to possess a good swing tackle let along good starting tackles.

Maybe Neal plays well. He's getting good coaching now. I can't kill NYG for the way they handled tackle this season. They devoted a ton of resources to the OL in FA.
There is going to be another episode  
OlyWABigBlue : 10/16/2024 10:42 am : link
of ongoing auditions for second contracts. For longer-term goals, this could be beneficial for roster construction going forward although this season would be (is) toast. Ezeudu and Neal will have to take advantage of the opportunities afforded as they will become further and farther between without performance. Next man up....

Define/develop assets, cull non-performance and use or keep assets in the future depending upon what is needed to secure a QB.

That and wishing AT a speedy and complete recovery.
Time for Neal to step up  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/16/2024 10:43 am : link
And play what he was drafted here at the No. 7 overall pick. If he fails, then he needs to be off the team next year. No need wasting more time on him.
Stop with the Jones excuse  
jvm52106 : 10/16/2024 10:44 am : link
bullshit- he has sucked already no excuse is coming for him.

I definitely feel that Neal needs to be the RT and JEL moved to LT. I don't like Ezeudu out there at all.
Agree that they need to put Neal out there  
Mike from Ohio : 10/16/2024 10:45 am : link
And either see if he is salvageable or write him off. They will stubbornly stick with Jones despite the injury clause and the terrible play.

And yeah, the 5 Jones apologists left on this site just started jumping up and down that they have an excuse to say Season 6 can’t be used to evaluate Jones because he was playing like a superstar before Thomas got hurt (because that will explain away the game against the Bengals).
What a wasted season it has been  
Sean : 10/16/2024 10:47 am : link
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RE: Stop with the Jones excuse  
mfsd : 10/16/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16649290 jvm52106 said:
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bullshit- he has sucked already no excuse is coming for him.

I definitely feel that Neal needs to be the RT and JEL moved to LT. I don't like Ezeudu out there at all.


100% agree.
Thomas only played....  
BillKo : 10/16/2024 10:50 am : link
full season in 2 of 5 seasons.

And it's gotten worse as his proceeded thru his career.

Silver lining is he's still just 25.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/16/2024 10:51 am : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
It was 100% the right decision to extend him. These last two injuries haven’t even been related to his previous ankle issues. It’s just been bad luck
Looks like another L for the trainers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/16/2024 10:53 am : link
David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc
@ProFootballDoc
Pretty heroic to return to a game (limping) and then need Lisfranc surgery (meaning significant displacement)
Yea I think Neal gets the shot of LT.  
Giant John : 10/16/2024 10:53 am : link
If he busts with that position no more discussion about him playing out of position.
I would certainly get Neal some LT reps...  
BillKo : 10/16/2024 10:55 am : link
...this year. Not saying he has to start there this week but you work him in situationally.

Either he can do it - and show some progress - or we get rid of him.
RE: RE: I hope Neal gets burn at either tackle spot  
Blueworm : 10/16/2024 10:55 am : link
In comment 16649274 46and2Blue said:
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just to see wtf this dude has in him. At the very least shit or get off the pot with this guy. He's been healthy the last 2 months or so--he's been practicing. Now or never.



Might as well, season is essentially lost especially with Thomas out. Seriously F this team for not being prepared with LT depth.

How many more LTs were they supposed to sign to back up the All-Pro?
You cannot have starter depth at every position. If you want that, shrink the league to 20 teams.
RE: ...  
Essex : 10/16/2024 10:55 am : link
In comment 16649305 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
It was 100% the right decision to extend him. These last two injuries haven’t even been related to his previous ankle issues. It’s just been bad luck

I agree that it was 100% right to extend him. But at this point, anyone thinking it is just bad luck is stupid. At some point you have to realize that he is injury prone--that is not his fault and it is really unfortunate, but the fact that he played 2 of 6 complete seasons, played 16 of 34 games in 23 and 24 cannot be ignored or attributed to bad luck. It is that type of thinking that has gotten this organization into a host of issues in the past decade. I am not sure what the solution is in that you just have to play Thomas and hope for the best because he is so talented, but we need to prepare in future years for this recurrence, unlike this year.
RE: ...  
Scooter185 : 10/16/2024 10:55 am : link
In comment 16649305 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
It was 100% the right decision to extend him. These last two injuries haven’t even been related to his previous ankle issues. It’s just been bad luck


Reminds me of Greg Birds time with NYY, although AT is more important to NYG than Bird was to the Yanks
Cue the Jones season-ending injury  
David B. : 10/16/2024 10:57 am : link
And the ensuing cap hell of his injury-guaranteed money.

RE: .......  
bw in dc : 10/16/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16649284 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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I'd bench Jones now

His injury clause is a lot more risky now.


That would be bold; and, I believe, the right move. But there is NFW I can see that happening right now.

And here's why. The NFCE is an oil spill. It's completely up for grabs.

Washington looks the best, but they just lost one of the best defenders in Jonathan Allen. And their D was already a bottom third performer.

Dallas is a sieve on D and they can't run the ball.

And the Eagles are one more bad loss away from a complete implosion inside the Linc.

So, NYG is still in it; and this is where Mara uses the ownership card and insists the team stay the course until they are officially mathematically eliminated.
No more excuses for Neal  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/16/2024 10:57 am : link
He either sinks or swims. If he sinks, then get him off the team as he’s a sunk cost.
Giants have such bad luck with serious injuries  
Rick in Dallas : 10/16/2024 10:57 am : link
Wish Thomas a complete successful recovery
As far as who replaces Thomas I would play Neal at RT and Elumenor at LT.
We need to make a final decision on Neal going into 2025.
RE: RE: ...  
BillKo : 10/16/2024 10:58 am : link
In comment 16649317 Essex said:
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In comment 16649305 Eric from BBI said:


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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
It was 100% the right decision to extend him. These last two injuries haven’t even been related to his previous ankle issues. It’s just been bad luck


I agree that it was 100% right to extend him. But at this point, anyone thinking it is just bad luck is stupid. At some point you have to realize that he is injury prone--that is not his fault and it is really unfortunate, but the fact that he played 2 of 6 complete seasons, played 16 of 34 games in 23 and 24 cannot be ignored or attributed to bad luck. It is that type of thinking that has gotten this organization into a host of issues in the past decade. I am not sure what the solution is in that you just have to play Thomas and hope for the best because he is so talented, but we need to prepare in future years for this recurrence, unlike this year.


I have to agree. The guy is injury prone.

He's a very good player when healthy - but availability is a big part of the NFL.
you have to seriously consider  
totowa_gman : 10/16/2024 11:01 am : link
looking for a new left tackle. He is great but he cant stay on the field. Add it to the list of shit this team needs.
Another G/T flexible player  
GiantGrit : 10/16/2024 11:01 am : link
Like Slater or Vera Tucker should be on high on their wish list this offseason.
If Ezeudu starts at left tackle......  
UticaMike : 10/16/2024 11:07 am : link
and allows a hit or sack that injures DJ, I will need to be committed to a psych ward
RE: I hope Neal gets burn at either tackle spot  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2024 11:10 am : link
In comment 16649270 djm said:
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just to see wtf this dude has in him. At the very least shit or get off the pot with this guy. He's been healthy the last 2 months or so--he's been practicing. Now or never.


This. Season is over Neal needs to get time. Don't care which side either. That's Bricillos call.
Neal has been practicing EXCLUSIVELY  
Dave on the UWS : 10/16/2024 11:15 am : link
at RT. If he plays, he plays there, and JE goes to LT (he's played there before).
Just because the NFC East is up for grabs doesn't mean a thing.  
ThomasG : 10/16/2024 11:15 am : link
The Giants do not have a snowball's chance in hell to grab anything. Other than maybe a few more meaningless wins at the buzzer that only screw up our draft position.
Neal was an All-American at LOT his senior year  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/16/2024 11:16 am : link
…and some analysts have speculated that his problems at ROT are because he’s had difficulty making the switch from LOT (plus injuries of course). So why not play him at LOT?
Gotta bench DJ now  
US1 Giants : 10/16/2024 11:21 am : link
he'll get hurt and fail his physical.
Neal played a full season  
Dave on the UWS : 10/16/2024 11:21 am : link
at ROT his 2nd year at Bama, he moved to LOT his last year.
His tape (in some ways), was better at ROT than left (I think Sy mentioned that somewhere along the lines, maybe in his scouting report.)
Neal goes to LT.  
FStubbs : 10/16/2024 11:23 am : link
You don't want to disrupt 2 positions because one guy got hurt.
not good  
KDavies : 10/16/2024 11:24 am : link
will be interested to see how they reconfigure the OL
RE: Neal goes to LT.  
Essex : 10/16/2024 11:27 am : link
In comment 16649352 FStubbs said:
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You don't want to disrupt 2 positions because one guy got hurt.

exactly! If you are happy with your RT you keep him at RT.
A lisfranc can happen to anyone  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2024 11:29 am : link
Strahan lost a season this way.

I am glad this wasnt more ankle injuries.
RE: RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16649317 Essex said:
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In comment 16649305 Eric from BBI said:


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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
It was 100% the right decision to extend him. These last two injuries haven’t even been related to his previous ankle issues. It’s just been bad luck


I agree that it was 100% right to extend him. But at this point, anyone thinking it is just bad luck is stupid. At some point you have to realize that he is injury prone--that is not his fault and it is really unfortunate, but the fact that he played 2 of 6 complete seasons, played 16 of 34 games in 23 and 24 cannot be ignored or attributed to bad luck. It is that type of thinking that has gotten this organization into a host of issues in the past decade. I am not sure what the solution is in that you just have to play Thomas and hope for the best because he is so talented, but we need to prepare in future years for this recurrence, unlike this year.


What’s the difference between injury prone and bad luck? Semantics in my book, I don’t know how else to describe someone that’s injury prone other than it’s something you can’t predict or prevent, but happens.
Well, this season is fucked  
Bear vs Shark : 10/16/2024 11:40 am : link
This makes the argument for benching Jones far stronger. He's going to get hurt, and this dumbass team will be on the hook for his salary next year due to the injury guarantee.
RE: Neal goes to LT.  
Rjanyg : 10/16/2024 11:46 am : link
In comment 16649352 FStubbs said:
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You don't want to disrupt 2 positions because one guy got hurt.


I agree, however, Daboll seems to like Ezudu at LT, I think Neal may have more natural ability at LT over RT.
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