D.J. Uiagalelei. One of the best pure passers in college football and has his team playing over their heads against some of the best competition in the nation.
Not 2 or 3 that they might not be in a position to draft. Take the BQA. Maybe take another in a later round. They finally gave DJ a line and weapons. Good effort. Move along.
D.J. Uiagalelei. One of the best pure passers in college football and has his team playing over their heads against some of the best competition in the nation.
LMAO. As a FSU fan, this is laughable. DJU has worse touch than Justin Fields, it's not close, and that's really saying something. To me he's no better than a 5th rounder, and I wouldn't take him there.
I want to address Shedeur Sanders. There are players that I just know the Giants won't touch. They are conservative with first rounders in general, particularly with otf-field factors. I don't think there's a realistic scenario where the Giants would draft Shedeur, in large part bc of the Deion factor. They do not want a circus, or even the chance of a circus, at the QB position in particular.
He would probably be my #3 QB in this draft right now behind Milroe and Ward, but given I think there's a close to 0% chance the Giants would draft him, I'm going to leave him off my list.
You have my top two in Milroe and Ward. My #3 is Will Howard. I get the criticism, but he's improved in every season. And he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. In terms of tools, he has everything you want to work with.
When it comes to Ewers, I don't see a true franchise QB there, particularly with what I think this regime would like to work with.
Right now, I have Beck at #4, simply bc I don't think he's shown the improvement I'd like to see this year, and the toolset isn't quite as impressive as Howard.
For the Giants, I think Beck is a fallback option if you miss on the top 3, but you really want one of the top 3. After Beck, it's a big drop-off right now, but it's early, and a lot can still change. But I like the top 3 and wouldn't be shocked to see Howard move ahead of Ward when all is said and done.
We expect him to give up running Colorado and follow his son to whatever NFL his organization his son gets drafted by? That's the expectation? If so, what is that based off of?
He would probably be my #3 QB in this draft right now behind Milroe and Ward, but given I think there's a close to 0% chance the Giants would draft him, I'm going to leave him off my list.
You have my top two in Milroe and Ward. My #3 is Will Howard. I get the criticism, but he's improved in every season. And he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. In terms of tools, he has everything you want to work with.
Do you really just write that? Are you suggesting Howard is a day one/lottery pick?
Howard isn't in the same galaxy as Allen in terms of arm talent or athleticism. And I'm not sure his arm is any better than Jones's.
Rourke will get hammered for his age and how he was at Ohio U and transferred to IU. But he was the MAC POTY and put up goods numbers that go unnoticed because of the MAC.
Someone on the board turned me onto him. So, I've watched a lot of video and live action. Rourke has excellent size, really good pocket poise and he looks to have a damn good arm. I think he might be sneaky athletic but I'm not sure yet.
He would probably be my #3 QB in this draft right now behind Milroe and Ward, but given I think there's a close to 0% chance the Giants would draft him, I'm going to leave him off my list.
You have my top two in Milroe and Ward. My #3 is Will Howard. I get the criticism, but he's improved in every season. And he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. In terms of tools, he has everything you want to work with.
Do you really just write that? Are you suggesting Howard is a day one/lottery pick?
Howard isn't in the same galaxy as Allen in terms of arm talent or athleticism. And I'm not sure his arm is any better than Jones's.
I said he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. He's 6'4", maybe 6'5", and 235-240 lbs. Josh Allen at the combine, 6'5" 237. That is what I'm referring to, the physical profile. In terms of athleticism, he is a faster runner than Allen, much faster. Howard,s not going to wow anyone with lateral agility. Neither will Allen. And Howard might not be as physical a runner as Allen was at Wyoming, but that's not what you want out of your QB anyway, and Howard is physical enough to get short yardage after contact.
In terms of arm talent, I haven't seen enough to make a final determination. But I like how he sees the field, his accuracy in the middle of the field and to the intermediate area looks good to me. In terms of how far he can throw it or how fast, I don't know. It's also last on my list in importance. You need to have a minimum arm strength, he has that, btw Jones does too, that's not his problem. And sure, nobody is Josh Allen when it comes to just how hard/far can you throw a football. It's a nice to have in a QB, and some of those questions aren't going to be answered until the combine.
Yes, I believe Howard will go in the first round. Look at the offense he's running. Look at how he's improved his efficiency every collegiate season. It's early, and he needs to continue to build on this start, particularly as they are now in the meat and potatoes of the season.
BW, you know when you and I strongly disagree on prospects it hasn't gone great for you in retrospect, right?
Anyway, as an aside, the style of offense Howard is running has a lot of similarities to what Daboll likes to do with RPO out of the pistol and the types of route concepts they run.
Also, Howard played good enough to win against Oregon. He had them in field goal position, he made big conversions, passes to get them in position, and he didn't commit the penalty that knocked them out of FG position.
Sure, he overestimated how much time he had to slide, but they were in desperation mode at that point, outside of a miracle hail Mary attempt or something very very quick to the sideline, they weren't going to get their kicker out on that last play.
Bad play by him, yes. But he had an overall very good game and had them in position to win. Can't beat a guy up over one gaffe.
D.J. Uiagalelei. One of the best pure passers in college football and has his team playing over their heads against some of the best competition in the nation.
D.J. Uiagalelei. One of the best pure passers in college football and has his team playing over their heads against some of the best competition in the nation.
Howard is certainly tall and thick and he's a bit of a runner. And he's had better output at Ohio State than he did at K-State.
But that was expected moving to Day/Kelly and a treasure trove of talent everywhere. He lost some weight, too, since arriving in Columbus to work on becoming a better athlete.
And to be frank, I thought he might lose that job to Noland or Sayin. Two very talented freshmen.
Back to Howard. I see a lot of straightforward throws that aren't really special and unique to be considered a day one talent. He seems to push the ball more than throw to me. Howard has a decent arm, but I'm not sure he's going to be the guy who throws people open in the NFL. Time will tell.
And, no, I don't know what you mean by our disagreements. I don't keep score.
We expect him to give up running Colorado and follow his son to whatever NFL his organization his son gets drafted by? That's the expectation? If so, what is that based off of?
Can someone please answer my question about Sanders? I'm truly curious and have not gotten an answer on this thread, or another where I asked the same question. Thank you.
RE: RE: Explain to me something about Deion Sanders.
We expect him to give up running Colorado and follow his son to whatever NFL his organization his son gets drafted by? That's the expectation? If so, what is that based off of?
Can someone please answer my question about Sanders? I'm truly curious and have not gotten an answer on this thread, or another where I asked the same question. Thank you.
I really don't think Deion wants to be that guy ala LaVar Ball. He seems to really enjoy coaching and opening opportunities for young men.
At most, I believe he will be a close advisor to Shadeur, but not his agent, de facto coach, etc.
RE: RE: RE: Explain to me something about Deion Sanders.
We expect him to give up running Colorado and follow his son to whatever NFL his organization his son gets drafted by? That's the expectation? If so, what is that based off of?
Can someone please answer my question about Sanders? I'm truly curious and have not gotten an answer on this thread, or another where I asked the same question. Thank you.
I really don't think Deion wants to be that guy ala LaVar Ball. He seems to really enjoy coaching and opening opportunities for young men.
At most, I believe he will be a close advisor to Shadeur, but not his agent, de facto coach, etc.
This is my take also. Plus, I can't see too many NFL franchises giving into hiring him if that's what they are pushing. His resume isn't string enough yet.
is that role for Deion really a reason not to draft Shadeur? I agree there would be more distractions than the average player, but is Deion occasionally chirping from 2,000 miles away a good enough reason not to draft Shadeur if everything else is good?
Ward, Beck, Nussamier or Aller (if the latter doesn't declare) in the 2nd if the former two don't line up. There's also a guy from Memphis who I'd be interested in as a developmental guy.
Speaking of Beck, Daniel Jeremiah compared him to Eli Manning. Can't tell if that would be a vote of confidence for Mara to move off of Jones or a reason not to draft Beck...
I think that will flush out a lot about both Ewers and Beck. You don't get much of a bigger spotlight than this in college football. Lets see who has the kahunas.
I am so confused.
There is not one QB who is significantly better than the others.
The players have some warts, NFL teams will rank these QBs all over the place.
I preferred Milroe because of his running ability, but I am concerned that he relies on his running too much.
I dismissed Beck, but he has looked better since the second half of the Alabama game.
I have not warmed up to Ward. He makes too many unforced errors and his arm seems suspect.
Gabriel is a gamer with a great arm but he is small.
As of now, Sanders is the best of the crop. But that may change when the competition is stronger. He throws a nice ball. He is accurate and is not fazed by pressure.
Kid has a cannon for an arm and plays with some gunslinger in him. His lack of starting experience until this year has caused many to undervalue him but I think in an ovrall weak QB class that this kid brings the most upside and none of the baggage that comes with Sanders.
bw, Knowing the Giants, they're looking at Beck, Allar and Nuss for the same reasons.
Processing, the thing Jones doesn't do. And that's a big deal for Daboll's offense.
I could easily Allar fitting the NYG prototype for sure.
I would love for Nuss to be in that mix - I think he has great throwing ability - but he may not be the dual threat they desire. Beck isn't a dual threat option, either, btw.
QB's including Jones, Allen and Lamar, I don't think they're dead set on a dual threat QB as being a a deal-breaker.
Josh Allen and Lamar have a bad injury rate? Did I miss something?
Yeah, I don't think Allen has ever missed a start with an injury. Lamar has missed something like 10 games over 7 years due to injuries, but a few of those were due to Covid. And I want to say Lamar's injuries occurred in or around the pocket, not on the run.
So, it's not like these guys have missed seasons of play.
Howard is certainly tall and thick and he's a bit of a runner. And he's had better output at Ohio State than he did at K-State.
But that was expected moving to Day/Kelly and a treasure trove of talent everywhere. He lost some weight, too, since arriving in Columbus to work on becoming a better athlete.
And to be frank, I thought he might lose that job to Noland or Sayin. Two very talented freshmen.
Back to Howard. I see a lot of straightforward throws that aren't really special and unique to be considered a day one talent. He seems to push the ball more than throw to me. Howard has a decent arm, but I'm not sure he's going to be the guy who throws people open in the NFL. Time will tell.
And, no, I don't know what you mean by our disagreements. I don't keep score.
He was 240+ and is now in that 235 range from reports. There was also reports of him hitting 22 mph running in practice, which obviously is incredible speed. All I'm saying is the traits are there, he's completing over 79% with over 10 yards ypa and has a 14-3 TD-INT ratio. This league values traits. It's why a raw Josh Allen was drafted 7th overall and a raw Anthony Richardson was drafted 4th overall.
There's still far too much CFB ahead of us, but Howard has to be in the conversation at this early junction, but not really worth talking about much until at least the season is over and then we can look at the postseason testing to see if that confirms or contradicts what we think we know.
If Howard shows a plus arm and continues the kind of production and efficiency he's displayed thus far, he should be a first rounder and probably a top 15 guy.
LOL - he sucks. In fact now he's hurt
I was too,but the last few games he was unimpressive in crunch time.
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Nussmeier, Milton, Rourke, Sanders, undecided
Who is Milton?
A hurricane.
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Never was onboard with this class.
So just no QB at all, not even outside of the 1st? Strange.
12 years of Daniel Jones!
One gets hurt every year, so he's out.
LMAO. As a FSU fan, this is laughable. DJU has worse touch than Justin Fields, it's not close, and that's really saying something. To me he's no better than a 5th rounder, and I wouldn't take him there.
I want to address Shedeur Sanders. There are players that I just know the Giants won't touch. They are conservative with first rounders in general, particularly with otf-field factors. I don't think there's a realistic scenario where the Giants would draft Shedeur, in large part bc of the Deion factor. They do not want a circus, or even the chance of a circus, at the QB position in particular.
He would probably be my #3 QB in this draft right now behind Milroe and Ward, but given I think there's a close to 0% chance the Giants would draft him, I'm going to leave him off my list.
You have my top two in Milroe and Ward. My #3 is Will Howard. I get the criticism, but he's improved in every season. And he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. In terms of tools, he has everything you want to work with.
When it comes to Ewers, I don't see a true franchise QB there, particularly with what I think this regime would like to work with.
Right now, I have Beck at #4, simply bc I don't think he's shown the improvement I'd like to see this year, and the toolset isn't quite as impressive as Howard.
For the Giants, I think Beck is a fallback option if you miss on the top 3, but you really want one of the top 3. After Beck, it's a big drop-off right now, but it's early, and a lot can still change. But I like the top 3 and wouldn't be shocked to see Howard move ahead of Ward when all is said and done.
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He would probably be my #3 QB in this draft right now behind Milroe and Ward, but given I think there's a close to 0% chance the Giants would draft him, I'm going to leave him off my list.
You have my top two in Milroe and Ward. My #3 is Will Howard. I get the criticism, but he's improved in every season. And he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. In terms of tools, he has everything you want to work with.
Do you really just write that? Are you suggesting Howard is a day one/lottery pick?
Howard isn't in the same galaxy as Allen in terms of arm talent or athleticism. And I'm not sure his arm is any better than Jones's.
2. Sanders
3. Sanders
4. Sanders
5. Rourke (mid rd pick)
2. Sanders
3. Sanders
4. Sanders
5. Rourke (mid rd pick)
Rourke will get hammered for his age and how he was at Ohio U and transferred to IU. But he was the MAC POTY and put up goods numbers that go unnoticed because of the MAC.
Someone on the board turned me onto him. So, I've watched a lot of video and live action. Rourke has excellent size, really good pocket poise and he looks to have a damn good arm. I think he might be sneaky athletic but I'm not sure yet.
Very underrated right now...
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He would probably be my #3 QB in this draft right now behind Milroe and Ward, but given I think there's a close to 0% chance the Giants would draft him, I'm going to leave him off my list.
You have my top two in Milroe and Ward. My #3 is Will Howard. I get the criticism, but he's improved in every season. And he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. In terms of tools, he has everything you want to work with.
Do you really just write that? Are you suggesting Howard is a day one/lottery pick?
Howard isn't in the same galaxy as Allen in terms of arm talent or athleticism. And I'm not sure his arm is any better than Jones's.
I said he's the closest physical prototype to Josh Allen out of the top QBs. He's 6'4", maybe 6'5", and 235-240 lbs. Josh Allen at the combine, 6'5" 237. That is what I'm referring to, the physical profile. In terms of athleticism, he is a faster runner than Allen, much faster. Howard,s not going to wow anyone with lateral agility. Neither will Allen. And Howard might not be as physical a runner as Allen was at Wyoming, but that's not what you want out of your QB anyway, and Howard is physical enough to get short yardage after contact.
In terms of arm talent, I haven't seen enough to make a final determination. But I like how he sees the field, his accuracy in the middle of the field and to the intermediate area looks good to me. In terms of how far he can throw it or how fast, I don't know. It's also last on my list in importance. You need to have a minimum arm strength, he has that, btw Jones does too, that's not his problem. And sure, nobody is Josh Allen when it comes to just how hard/far can you throw a football. It's a nice to have in a QB, and some of those questions aren't going to be answered until the combine.
Yes, I believe Howard will go in the first round. Look at the offense he's running. Look at how he's improved his efficiency every collegiate season. It's early, and he needs to continue to build on this start, particularly as they are now in the meat and potatoes of the season.
BW, you know when you and I strongly disagree on prospects it hasn't gone great for you in retrospect, right?
Anyway, as an aside, the style of offense Howard is running has a lot of similarities to what Daboll likes to do with RPO out of the pistol and the types of route concepts they run.
Also, Howard played good enough to win against Oregon. He had them in field goal position, he made big conversions, passes to get them in position, and he didn't commit the penalty that knocked them out of FG position.
Sure, he overestimated how much time he had to slide, but they were in desperation mode at that point, outside of a miracle hail Mary attempt or something very very quick to the sideline, they weren't going to get their kicker out on that last play.
Bad play by him, yes. But he had an overall very good game and had them in position to win. Can't beat a guy up over one gaffe.
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D.J. Uiagalelei. One of the best pure passers in college football and has his team playing over their heads against some of the best competition in the nation.
LOL - he sucks. In fact now he's hurt
I think that’s sarcasm.
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D.J. Uiagalelei. One of the best pure passers in college football and has his team playing over their heads against some of the best competition in the nation.
LOL - he sucks. In fact now he's hurt
I think that’s sarcasm.
Yikes, I see it now. I'm a jackass.
But that was expected moving to Day/Kelly and a treasure trove of talent everywhere. He lost some weight, too, since arriving in Columbus to work on becoming a better athlete.
And to be frank, I thought he might lose that job to Noland or Sayin. Two very talented freshmen.
Back to Howard. I see a lot of straightforward throws that aren't really special and unique to be considered a day one talent. He seems to push the ball more than throw to me. Howard has a decent arm, but I'm not sure he's going to be the guy who throws people open in the NFL. Time will tell.
And, no, I don't know what you mean by our disagreements. I don't keep score.
Can someone please answer my question about Sanders? I'm truly curious and have not gotten an answer on this thread, or another where I asked the same question. Thank you.
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We expect him to give up running Colorado and follow his son to whatever NFL his organization his son gets drafted by? That's the expectation? If so, what is that based off of?
Can someone please answer my question about Sanders? I'm truly curious and have not gotten an answer on this thread, or another where I asked the same question. Thank you.
I really don't think Deion wants to be that guy ala LaVar Ball. He seems to really enjoy coaching and opening opportunities for young men.
At most, I believe he will be a close advisor to Shadeur, but not his agent, de facto coach, etc.
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We expect him to give up running Colorado and follow his son to whatever NFL his organization his son gets drafted by? That's the expectation? If so, what is that based off of?
Can someone please answer my question about Sanders? I'm truly curious and have not gotten an answer on this thread, or another where I asked the same question. Thank you.
I really don't think Deion wants to be that guy ala LaVar Ball. He seems to really enjoy coaching and opening opportunities for young men.
At most, I believe he will be a close advisor to Shadeur, but not his agent, de facto coach, etc.
Speaking of Beck, Daniel Jeremiah compared him to Eli Manning. Can't tell if that would be a vote of confidence for Mara to move off of Jones or a reason not to draft Beck...
bw, Knowing the Giants, they're looking at Beck, Allar and Nuss for the same reasons.
Processing, the thing Jones doesn't do. And that's a big deal for Daboll's offense.
I prefer the best pocket passer who still performs well when things are breaking down around him.
Getting a new HC could drastically change the offensive philosophy.
There is not one QB who is significantly better than the others.
The players have some warts, NFL teams will rank these QBs all over the place.
I preferred Milroe because of his running ability, but I am concerned that he relies on his running too much.
I dismissed Beck, but he has looked better since the second half of the Alabama game.
I have not warmed up to Ward. He makes too many unforced errors and his arm seems suspect.
Gabriel is a gamer with a great arm but he is small.
As of now, Sanders is the best of the crop. But that may change when the competition is stronger. He throws a nice ball. He is accurate and is not fazed by pressure.
bw, Knowing the Giants, they're looking at Beck, Allar and Nuss for the same reasons.
Processing, the thing Jones doesn't do. And that's a big deal for Daboll's offense.
I could easily Allar fitting the NYG prototype for sure.
I would love for Nuss to be in that mix - I think he has great throwing ability - but he may not be the dual threat they desire. Beck isn't a dual threat option, either, btw.
Josh Allen and Lamar have a bad injury rate? Did I miss something?
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QB's including Jones, Allen and Lamar, I don't think they're dead set on a dual threat QB as being a a deal-breaker.
Josh Allen and Lamar have a bad injury rate? Did I miss something?
Yeah, I don't think Allen has ever missed a start with an injury. Lamar has missed something like 10 games over 7 years due to injuries, but a few of those were due to Covid. And I want to say Lamar's injuries occurred in or around the pocket, not on the run.
So, it's not like these guys have missed seasons of play.
But that was expected moving to Day/Kelly and a treasure trove of talent everywhere. He lost some weight, too, since arriving in Columbus to work on becoming a better athlete.
And to be frank, I thought he might lose that job to Noland or Sayin. Two very talented freshmen.
Back to Howard. I see a lot of straightforward throws that aren't really special and unique to be considered a day one talent. He seems to push the ball more than throw to me. Howard has a decent arm, but I'm not sure he's going to be the guy who throws people open in the NFL. Time will tell.
And, no, I don't know what you mean by our disagreements. I don't keep score.
He was 240+ and is now in that 235 range from reports. There was also reports of him hitting 22 mph running in practice, which obviously is incredible speed. All I'm saying is the traits are there, he's completing over 79% with over 10 yards ypa and has a 14-3 TD-INT ratio. This league values traits. It's why a raw Josh Allen was drafted 7th overall and a raw Anthony Richardson was drafted 4th overall.
There's still far too much CFB ahead of us, but Howard has to be in the conversation at this early junction, but not really worth talking about much until at least the season is over and then we can look at the postseason testing to see if that confirms or contradicts what we think we know.
If Howard shows a plus arm and continues the kind of production and efficiency he's displayed thus far, he should be a first rounder and probably a top 15 guy.