The Giants have to bench DJ for the future of the franchise

And obvious to all but the people in charge.

game season 6 games in?

In comment 16649677 Ron Johnson said:

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game season 6 games in?

Andrew Thomas is out for the year. The QB doesn't have it. This season is going nowhere. Be smart and look to the future.

No they don't. They don't "have to" do anything. Maybe it's a good idea, maybe they should, but they don't have to. They can do whatever the hell they want.

Sometimes they make good decisions, sometimes they make bad decisions. Like all human beings. But they're making decisions among their choices. They still have choice, still have options.

Fans may think they're out of options. They're not. We just don't like the other options.

In comment 16649690 81_Great_Dane said:

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No they don't. They don't "have to" do anything. Maybe it's a good idea, maybe they should, but they don't have to. They can do whatever the hell they want. Sometimes they make good decisions, sometimes they make bad decisions. Like all human beings. But they're making decisions among their choices. They still have choice, still have options. Fans may think they're out of options. They're not. We just don't like the other options.

An unnecessary and useless response that adds nothing to the conversation.

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game season 6 games in?

It's amazing to me there are actually still people that think we can make the playoffs this season.

I hope you aren’t the same that that runs that awful Twitter/X account.

In comment 16649710 Kent Graham said:

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In comment 16649677 Ron Johnson said: Quote: game season 6 games in? It's amazing to me there are actually still people that think we can make the playoffs this season.

I wouldn't bet my house on it, but it'd be nice to see them make an effort.

I'm having a hard enough time getting anyone to go to a game as it is.

because doesnt he have an injury clause that if he gets injured this season, his money next season is guaranteed. someone correct me if im wrong.

if true, thats more than enough reason.

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I hope you aren’t the same that that runs that awful Twitter/X account.

Nope, not me.

until NYG is mathematically eliminated and Jones is healthy, he's playing. It's just the way it's going to be with Mara. If there is any situation remaining where he will pull the owner's card, it's this. Again, unfortunately...

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Daniel Jones seems like a really good guy, and he is tough and plays his ass off.

Every QB in the NFL is tough and plays their ass off. At this point, writing something like this is just so gratuitous.

at lt they are all going to get hurt

In comment 16649734 bw in dc said:

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until NYG is mathematically eliminated and Jones is healthy, he's playing. It's just the way it's going to be with Mara. If there is any situation remaining where he will pull the owner's card, it's this. Again, unfortunately... Re: Quote: Daniel Jones seems like a really good guy, and he is tough and plays his ass off. Every QB in the NFL is tough and plays their ass off. At this point, writing something like this is just so gratuitous.

The fact that you feel compelled to focus on this insignificant portion of what I wrote says more about you than anything. Jones isn’t the answer. We all know that. That doesn’t mean you need to hate his guts. Get over yourself.

At the snap, all 11 men on defense are going to collapse on Nabers.

And Daniel Jones will still throw it there since it is his first read.

Is discussing him any longer. My perception is Lock is worse but I would prefer to watch anything but more of the same. With AT out any of them are in trouble now.

When they didn’t sign actual competition at the QB position

Hard Knocks made it clear.
So if the blind side O-Lineman is hurt and the franchise is on the hook for 45 million if he is hurt past March, what's the point here. It's sort of clear they are building from scratch and both Shurmer era darlings(Jones And Slayton) may not come back. I would bypass Lock and give your potential very good number 2 more experience. He is better in the collapsing pocket and he needs the saddle time. Or why else did Daboll have him on the roster?? They want to protect him from poaching. Lock was a waste

Jones is extremely likely to get injured an collect his $23M guaranteed next season. The sooner Giants fans accept that the easier it will be to live with when it inevitably occurs.

I'd sit him tomorrow, but it ain't happening for one of these reasons: 1) Dabs thinks he's the best option to win games & Dabs thinks his ass is on the line if the team falls apart, 2) Mara has let it be known Jones isn't sitting, or 3) this organiation is just incompetent.

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In comment 16649734 bw in dc said: Quote: until NYG is mathematically eliminated and Jones is healthy, he's playing. It's just the way it's going to be with Mara. If there is any situation remaining where he will pull the owner's card, it's this. Again, unfortunately... Re: Quote: Daniel Jones seems like a really good guy, and he is tough and plays his ass off. Every QB in the NFL is tough and plays their ass off. At this point, writing something like this is just so gratuitous. The fact that you feel compelled to focus on this insignificant portion of what I wrote says more about you than anything. Jones isn’t the answer. We all know that. That doesn’t mean you need to hate his guts. Get over yourself.

If it's insignificant, which I agree, you shouldn't have written it.

Furthermore, I was agreeing with you that Jones should be benched. But it's not going to happen based on the dynamics of the organization. And that's why I wrote that piece first.

Oh God, we're going back to 'You hate Daniel Jones!' lines. No one hates Daniel Jones personally, as far as I know. He seems like a good dude, works hard from all accounts, is liked in the locker room apparently, & all that jazz.

But he's not a good QB & I hate watching him play.

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Oh God, we're going back to 'You hate Daniel Jones!' lines. No one hates Daniel Jones personally, as far as I know. He seems like a good dude, works hard from all accounts, is liked in the locker room apparently, & all that jazz. But he's not a good QB & I hate watching him play.

It's like Tourette's syndrome at this point.

It's Stockholm syndrome @ this point. I really don't get it.

I have people in my life who root for other teams who don't even give me shit about Jones anymore. It's now more sympathy.

In comment 16649796 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16649746 KayvonOjulari515 said: Quote: In comment 16649734 bw in dc said: Quote: until NYG is mathematically eliminated and Jones is healthy, he's playing. It's just the way it's going to be with Mara. If there is any situation remaining where he will pull the owner's card, it's this. Again, unfortunately... Re: Quote: Daniel Jones seems like a really good guy, and he is tough and plays his ass off. Every QB in the NFL is tough and plays their ass off. At this point, writing something like this is just so gratuitous. The fact that you feel compelled to focus on this insignificant portion of what I wrote says more about you than anything. Jones isn’t the answer. We all know that. That doesn’t mean you need to hate his guts. Get over yourself. If it's insignificant, which I agree, you shouldn't have written it. Furthermore, I was agreeing with you that Jones should be benched. But it's not going to happen based on the dynamics of the organization. And that's why I wrote that piece first.

Nonsense. The point you think you’re trying to make is tired and a waste of time.

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Furthermore, I was agreeing with you that Jones should be benched. But it's not going to happen based on the dynamics of the organization. And that's why I wrote that piece first. Nonsense. The point you think you’re trying to make is tired and a waste of time.

I'm not sure why what I wrote doesn't resonate or sink in, but I applied bold to demonstrate - once again - that I agree with you that Jones should be benched.

designed QB runs into the LoS game one coming off a serious injury. Blaming Jones playing on Mara is one of the dumbest things that one can say.

There may be a point that Jones may lose his job either by performance, injury or the Giants falling out of contention (JS discussed this).

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designed QB runs into the LoS game one coming off a serious injury.

So? Jones was cleared to play football. And running is one of his few assets. Should Daboll not run him?

Lamar Jackson had a PCL injury in 2022 that caused him to miss 5 games. Yet, in 2023 he still ran for 820+ yards and 5 TDs. And won the MVP.

BD is not concerned with getting Jones hurt Bw. I will expand further next time for you to understand what most people figured out long ago.

In comment 16649835 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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BD is not concerned with getting Jones hurt Bw. I will expand further next time for you to understand what most people figured out long ago.

The floor is yours. Expand away.

and you missed that as well. You're a real sharp one.

I want them to win every time they take the field. But this team is going nowhere as long as Jones is taking snaps. At least, sitting Jones would be an admission by the organization that they have a clue. It would would mark the end of the Jones era and a new start for the franchise. I think most fans would appreciate it.

I agree it is time to begin the future.

In comment 16649842 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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and you missed that as well. You're a real sharp one.

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I will expand further next time for you to understand what most people figured out long ago.

So?

In comment 16649826 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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designed QB runs into the LoS game one coming off a serious injury. Blaming Jones playing on Mara is one of the dumbest things that one can say. There may be a point that Jones may lose his job either by performance, injury or the Giants falling out of contention (JS discussed this).

Yes, the reason they do this is because the QB can't stand in the pocket and find the open receiver. The best chance we have for the QB to help the team move the ball down the field is to have him run the ball occasionally, even though his ball security and hit avoidance IQ is abysmal. That is pathetic, but it's also the reality of our $40m QB.

What sails right over your head, though, is that this is not evidence of Daboll lacking care for Jones' health. This is evidence of Daboll not trusting Jones' brain and arm.

It's not Daboll's job to prevent Jones from getting hurt. A franchise-level decision is required to allow Daboll the safe space to bench Jones. Daboll is not going to unilaterally bench the guy when he knows Mara loves him and that benching Jones might cost him his job. He'll only do it if he knows he's safe next season.

Do you not recall how benching Eli turned out for Ben McAdoo?

In comment 16649850 The Jake said:

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In comment 16649826 Lines of Scrimmage said: Quote: designed QB runs into the LoS game one coming off a serious injury. Blaming Jones playing on Mara is one of the dumbest things that one can say. There may be a point that Jones may lose his job either by performance, injury or the Giants falling out of contention (JS discussed this). Yes, the reason they do this is because the QB can't stand in the pocket and find the open receiver. The best chance we have for the QB to help the team move the ball down the field is to have him run the ball occasionally, even though his ball security and hit avoidance IQ is abysmal. That is pathetic, but it's also the reality of our $40m QB. What sails right over your head, though, is that this is not evidence of Daboll lacking care for Jones' health. This is evidence of Daboll not trusting Jones' brain and arm. It's not Daboll's job to prevent Jones from getting hurt. A franchise-level decision is required to allow Daboll the safe space to bench Jones. Daboll is not going to unilaterally bench the guy when he knows Mara loves him and that benching Jones might cost him his job. He'll only do it if he knows he's safe next season. Do you not recall how benching Eli turned out for Ben McAdoo?

Therein lies part of the psychosis infecting the organization from the very top.

What exactly has Daniel Jones ever done to get the Eli treatment where the owner determines if he plays or not? If anything it's an insult to Eli that Jones is getting the same treatment.

In comment 16649734 bw in dc said:

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until NYG is mathematically eliminated and Jones is healthy, he's playing. It's just the way it's going to be with Mara. If there is any situation remaining where he will pull the owner's card, it's this.

This is obviously true. Daboll does not have the authority to make playing time decisions that affect our special boy without getting Mara's approval.

So what is i don't get is how people blame Schoen and Daboll for the Jones for the Jones contract. Particularly Daboll. He doesn't have the authority to make playing time decisions even now after Daniel has been terrible for 2 years. So how is he on the hook for "choosing Jones" or whatever in 2022? The coach was supposed to storm into Mara's office, take the topless Jones pictures off the wall and demand that we get a new QB?

Don't tell me what sails over my head which is pretty arrogant (second time today from you). Go look at Allen's rush numbers with Daboll as OC. Then look at DJ's. It's the Daboll offense.

I don't care where Jones plays or not. I do care whether or not BD should be HC in 2025. He should do what he feels best shows that.

The Eli benching was a disgrace and this situation is nothing like that one.

Until mathematical elimination.

In comment 16649710 Kent Graham said:

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In comment 16649677 Ron Johnson said: Quote: game season 6 games in? It's amazing to me there are actually still people that think we can make the playoffs this season.

I'm wondering if you understand the concept of team sports.

... Is the best Q on the roster he's going to play.

It really is that simple.

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game season 6 games in?

Not giving up at all. I think DeVito would be an upgrade .

In comment 16649850 The Jake said:

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In comment 16649826 Lines of Scrimmage said: Quote: designed QB runs into the LoS game one coming off a serious injury. Blaming Jones playing on Mara is one of the dumbest things that one can say. There may be a point that Jones may lose his job either by performance, injury or the Giants falling out of contention (JS discussed this). Yes, the reason they do this is because the QB can't stand in the pocket and find the open receiver. The best chance we have for the QB to help the team move the ball down the field is to have him run the ball occasionally, even though his ball security and hit avoidance IQ is abysmal. That is pathetic, but it's also the reality of our $40m QB. What sails right over your head, though, is that this is not evidence of Daboll lacking care for Jones' health. This is evidence of Daboll not trusting Jones' brain and arm. It's not Daboll's job to prevent Jones from getting hurt. A franchise-level decision is required to allow Daboll the safe space to bench Jones. Daboll is not going to unilaterally bench the guy when he knows Mara loves him and that benching Jones might cost him his job. He'll only do it if he knows he's safe next season. Do you not recall how benching Eli turned out for Ben McAdoo?

Benching Eli was met with a mountain of fan backlash.

Benching Jones would be applauded by the vast majority of fans

except the one person whose opinion matters most - Mara - doesn't see it that way.

Mara loves Jones and Mara is the reason Jones is still playing. therefore, Daboll benching Jones is career suicide for one of the most coveted jobs on the planet. How far would you go to keep your job as Giants head coach?

it's really that simple.

In comment 16649887 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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Don't tell me what sails over my head which is pretty arrogant (second time today from you).

Yes, that was a deliberate response to the arrogance you've shown toward others when referencing your time playing the sport, as if your opinion is more valuable than other folks just because they didn't play.

I guess that sailed over your head too?

but apparently it seems to be for many posters here.

The OP's desire to move on from Jones after this season is shared by the majority here and potentially some of the decision makers within the Giants organization.

However, to suggest a team would quit at this point in the season is where the crack induced insantiy begins.

Some fairly obvious reasons NOT to bench Jones now for one of our backup QBs NOW.

1 The Giants signal to the world that they are quitting
2 They receive backlash from fans and media
3 They can still win the division at this point
4 The team has a responsibility to the people who are paying a lot of money to watch the team to try to win every week
5 They would be turning their backs on the rest of the players on this team
6 The coaches are going to have a hard time explaining "tanking" in their next interviews
7 John Mara is marketing the team
8 An empty stadium reduces revenue
9 Any player, coach and GM is wired to win
10 It is unrealistic and stupid and something a juvenile would believe is the best course of action at this point in the season

In comment 16649842 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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and you missed that as well. You're a real sharp one.

"I will expand further..."

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but apparently it seems to be for many posters here. The OP's desire to move on from Jones after this season is shared by the majority here and potentially some of the decision makers within the Giants organization. However, to suggest a team would quit at this point in the season is where the crack induced insantiy begins. Some fairly obvious reasons NOT to bench Jones now for one of our backup QBs NOW. 1 The Giants signal to the world that they are quitting 2 They receive backlash from fans and media 3 They can still win the division at this point 4 The team has a responsibility to the people who are paying a lot of money to watch the team to try to win every week 5 They would be turning their backs on the rest of the players on this team 6 The coaches are going to have a hard time explaining "tanking" in their next interviews 7 John Mara is marketing the team 8 An empty stadium reduces revenue 9 Any player, coach and GM is wired to win 10 It is unrealistic and stupid and something a juvenile would believe is the best course of action at this point in the season

This guy thinks the Giants are going to receive backlash from Giants fans if they bench Daniel Jones. LOL. Thanks for the good laugh.

The Giants aren’t winning with or without Jones. This season is over. Look to the future. I’m a diehard Giants fan. I’d respect the Giants for the first time in more than a decade if they made a forward thinking decision to bench Jones. All of the reasons you mentioned have zero merit and don’t benefit the future of the Giants.

There will probably be as many Philadelphia fans in the crowd as Giants fans. The Eagles defence has owned Daniel Jones during his entire NFL career, and Jones cannot win a game in MetLife, hell, he can't even achieve a TD in MetLife.
John Mara will probably be kicking the trashcans again while the Giants will lose again.
Jones should have been benched at the start of the season, but now they're a quarter through the season, and he is still active as their starting QB, because the GM didn't acquire a backup QB who would create any competition for Jones.
Jones will continue until he suffers his next season-ending injury, and without Andrew Thomas on the field, the probability of that happening has been increased.

To say that this team is screwed because of Jones is guaranteed, and the fact that Daboll and Schoen being listed as more failures is also guaranteed.
This is the New York Football Giants 100th season, and I know John Mara and Steve Tisch wanted it to a season of progress, yet it's another season of failure, and Daniel Jones is sitting front and centre as the reason for the latest season of failure.

In comment 16649975 DefenseWins said:

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but apparently it seems to be for many posters here. The OP's desire to move on from Jones after this season is shared by the majority here and potentially some of the decision makers within the Giants organization. However, to suggest a team would quit at this point in the season is where the crack induced insantiy begins. Some fairly obvious reasons NOT to bench Jones now for one of our backup QBs NOW. 1 The Giants signal to the world that they are quitting 2 They receive backlash from fans and media 3 They can still win the division at this point 4 The team has a responsibility to the people who are paying a lot of money to watch the team to try to win every week 5 They would be turning their backs on the rest of the players on this team 6 The coaches are going to have a hard time explaining "tanking" in their next interviews 7 John Mara is marketing the team 8 An empty stadium reduces revenue 9 Any player, coach and GM is wired to win 10 It is unrealistic and stupid and something a juvenile would believe is the best course of action at this point in the season

Benching Jones does not signal the Giants are quitting. Benching Jones signals he stinks and you believe another QB gives Giants a better chance to win .

ONE poster and that was after a stupid and condescending question. I've seen numerous posters call him a know it all and I stand by what I said on that thread.

If you like "Force Multiplier", DJFC, QB yearly stats or Mara nonsense used hundreds of times then enjoy. Plenty of other posters with thoughts I value more.

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In comment 16649677 Ron Johnson said: Quote: game season 6 games in? It's amazing to me there are actually still people that think we can make the playoffs this season.

The NFCE sucks, so anything is possible, the question should be, if we want to make the playoffs, is Jones the best option to get us there? I’m not convinced he is.

I’d roll with DeVito. Maybe he’s no better than Jones, maybe he’s worse, but at least there’s potential upside. We know what we have with Jones, may as well find out if we have anything in TD.