Daniel Jones seems like a really good guy, and he is tough and plays his ass off. It would have been a great story had it worked out for him in New York, but it hasn't. He's in his sixth year and can't quickly read a defense, work through progressions, make plays down the field or win games in the fourth quarter. The verdict is in. It's over.
Daniel Jones also has a long injury history with ACL and neck injuries that have ended his past seasons. The risk of Daniel sustaining another season ending injury is simply too great. If he sustains another season ending injury, his contract could become guaranteed for next season, which would be an absolute disaster. The Giants have to face facts, bench Daniel, and move on with an eye towards acquiring the right quarterback to guide them into the future. This is the only way forward for a smart, forward-thinking franchise. It's time the Giants became one.
If you like "Force Multiplier", DJFC, QB yearly stats or Mara nonsense used hundreds of times then enjoy. Plenty of other posters with thoughts I value more.
Is this your idea of expanding further?
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
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Daniel Jones seems like a really good guy, and he is tough and plays his ass off.
Every QB in the NFL is tough and plays their ass off. At this point, writing something like this is just so gratuitous.
The fact that you feel compelled to focus on this insignificant portion of what I wrote says more about you than anything. Jones isn’t the answer. We all know that. That doesn’t mean you need to hate his guts. Get over yourself.
It has nothing to do with hating his guts, it has to do with lowering the bar so much that you have to dig to find it. Newsflash - anyone who has made it to the NFL has worked his ass off, so why even bring that into the equation?
This is ridiculous. He’s the starting QB, take the bubble wrap off. If the HC can’t use his one identifiable skill, why is he playing?
BD should utilize the QB (whoever it is) however he wants to win more games or at least score more points.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
The Giants have run only 9 plays this season with 4 WRs. That's 2.2% of the time.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
The Giants have run only 9 plays this season with 4 WRs. That's 2.2% of the time.
And just for comparison sake, here's how often they used "11" personnel (1 TE, 1 RB, 3 WR) in 2022 and 2024:
2022 - 64.2%
2024 - 64.4%
And "12" personnel:
2022 - 18.4%
2024 - 22.1%
They're running the same offense. You just don't know what you're watching.
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
The Giants have run only 9 plays this season with 4 WRs. That's 2.2% of the time.
shhhh...don't ruin the narrative that Jones can run an "old school" offense in the NFL.
(He can't)
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
The Giants have run only 9 plays this season with 4 WRs. That's 2.2% of the time.
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
The Giants have run only 9 plays this season with 4 WRs. That's 2.2% of the time.
shhhh...don't ruin the narrative that Jones can run an "old school" offense in the NFL.
(He can't)
Ok. However, lining up in a three wide with a shotgun formation is essential the same thing in regards to this discussion. What percent have they done that? I bet it's over 80%.
Well, you lost that bet.
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Ok. However, lining up in a three wide with a shotgun formation is essential the same thing in regards to this discussion. What percent have they done that? I bet it's over 80%.
Well, you lost that bet.
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Ok. However, lining up in a three wide with a shotgun formation is essential the same thing in regards to this discussion. What percent have they done that? I bet it's over 80%.
Well, you lost that bet.
What's the percentage?
I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
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until you find that sweet spot where Jones is a top five QB.
I never said he was a top 5 QB. But he was top 12 in the league while running the 2022 system and against Seattle. No question.
You are right. I give up. I'm ready for year #7.
Pretty sure you are a troll, so I need to stop wasting my time with you.
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Ok. However, lining up in a three wide with a shotgun formation is essential the same thing in regards to this discussion. What percent have they done that? I bet it's over 80%.
Well, you lost that bet.
What's the percentage?
I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
lololololololol. Can't wait to read his spin on this one.
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Ok. However, lining up in a three wide with a shotgun formation is essential the same thing in regards to this discussion. What percent have they done that? I bet it's over 80%.
Well, you lost that bet.
What's the percentage?
I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
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until you find that sweet spot where Jones is a top five QB.
I never said he was a top 5 QB. But he was top 12 in the league while running the 2022 system and against Seattle. No question.
You are right. I give up. I'm ready for year #7.
Pretty sure you are a troll, so I need to stop wasting my time with you.
I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
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until you find that sweet spot where Jones is a top five QB.
I never said he was a top 5 QB. But he was top 12 in the league while running the 2022 system and against Seattle. No question.
You are right. I give up. I'm ready for year #7.
Pretty sure you are a troll, so I need to stop wasting my time with you.
Troll? Couldn't I say the same thing about someone who won't even acknowledge Jones was good in 2022 and also good in most of his starts this season? You only point out the shortcomings. I point out both the pluses and minuses.
According to the above stats...THEY ARE RUNNING THE SAME OFFENSE AS 2022. Except, this year, they have a better o-line and better receivers.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
That's not what you said, and now that there is contradictory data you want to change the conversation.
It's incredible the lengths you will go to defend this shitty QB. Truly remarkable.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
He is not doing the same thing. Watch the 1st half of the Bengals game again. That is not the same offense as 2022 or Seattle. I get it, the Bengles were stacking the line of scrimmage. But the solution should not have been to try and line Daniel Jones up in shotgun and have him try and find the second or third read of a play. We all know that's not his strength.
So predictable. You are dumb. Have a good day.
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Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
That's not what you said, and now that there is contradictory data you want to change the conversation.
It's incredible the lengths you will go to defend this shitty QB. Truly remarkable.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
He is not doing the same thing. Watch the 1st half of the Bengals game again. That is not the same offense as 2022 or Seattle. I get it, the Bengles were stacking the line of scrimmage. But the solution should not have been to try and line Daniel Jones up in shotgun and have him try and find the second or third read of a play. We all know that's not his strength.
So predictable. You are dumb. Have a good day.
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
This system from 2022 was HUGELY successful against the eagles in the 2022 Divisional round…. And will be stopped again using the same D the eagles used that day if the Giants do institute across the board.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
He is not doing the same thing. Watch the 1st half of the Bengals game again. That is not the same offense as 2022 or Seattle. I get it, the Bengles were stacking the line of scrimmage. But the solution should not have been to try and line Daniel Jones up in shotgun and have him try and find the second or third read of a play. We all know that's not his strength.
So predictable. You are dumb. Have a good day.
How did Jones play in the Seattle game?
You keep ignoring the defense played by Seattle vs Bengals. Seahawks played two high safeties, Bengals crowded the LOS. That's why the run and play action didn't work against Bengals. Now keep trolling
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
This system from 2022 was HUGELY successful against the eagles in the 2022 Divisional round…. And will be stopped again using the same D the eagles used that day if the Giants do institute across the board.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
He is not doing the same thing. Watch the 1st half of the Bengals game again. That is not the same offense as 2022 or Seattle. I get it, the Bengles were stacking the line of scrimmage. But the solution should not have been to try and line Daniel Jones up in shotgun and have him try and find the second or third read of a play. We all know that's not his strength.
So predictable. You are dumb. Have a good day.
How did Jones play in the Seattle game?
You keep ignoring the defense played by Seattle vs Bengals. Seahawks played two high safeties, Bengals crowded the LOS. That's why the run and play action didn't work against Bengals. Now keep trolling
What so you mean that's not what I said? I am been saying all along the same thind-Jones isn't a modern, spread offense QB. He needs to be playing in a system similar to the Lions or Steelers. Teams that work the running game and attack the defense with play action, misdirection', and screens.
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You wanted the 2022 system, and not "4 wide shotgun 90% of the time".
I provided you with concrete evidence that the Giants are doing exactly that.
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
This system from 2022 was HUGELY successful against the eagles in the 2022 Divisional round…. And will be stopped again using the same D the eagles used that day if the Giants do institute across the board.
With a true #1 WR a "matured" Slayton and healthy Robinson it should still be successfully especially with a better OL and a D ready to compete NOW.
It could work because yes the recipe is the same but the quality of the ingredients used is better.
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It's incredible the lengths you will go to defend this shitty QB. Truly remarkable.
What so you mean that's not what I said? I am been saying all along the same thind-Jones isn't a modern, spread offense QB. He needs to be playing in a system similar to the Lions or Steelers. Teams that work the running game and attack the defense with play action, misdirection', and screens.
This is what you said:
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Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB.
You wanted the 2022 system, and not "4 wide shotgun 90% of the time".
I provided you with concrete evidence that the Giants are doing exactly that.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
He is not doing the same thing. Watch the 1st half of the Bengals game again. That is not the same offense as 2022 or Seattle. I get it, the Bengles were stacking the line of scrimmage. But the solution should not have been to try and line Daniel Jones up in shotgun and have him try and find the second or third read of a play. We all know that's not his strength.
So predictable. You are dumb. Have a good day.
How did Jones play in the Seattle game?
You keep ignoring the defense played by Seattle vs Bengals. Seahawks played two high safeties, Bengals crowded the LOS. That's why the run and play action didn't work against Bengals. Now keep trolling
And Daboll's response to that was to go Shotgun and tell Jones to read the defense? Yea, not the best strategy.
That's actually a good strategy against a defense that stacks the box and crowds the LoS. Sadly, Jones can't operate that offense at the least.
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I posted it above, with a link, to compare the "magical" 2022 season with 2024.
Spoiler alert, it's virtually the same, at roughly 64%.
64%? That is not that big of a difference from 80%. So to me, my point is still valid. They are lining up in shotgun MOST of the time. That is not something I would do if Jones were my QB.
You said you wanted them to run the 2022 offense. They are.
And foolishly now you're contending that 64% and 80% are not that different. I would have loved it if my dad felt the same way about my high school physics grade.
You're embarrassing yourself, or at least you would be if you were capable of being embarrassed.
Do the Giants not line up in shotgun most of the time? 64% equals MOST does it not? The point is, Jones should not be running an offense in shotgun 64% of the time. Jones should be running and play action based offense to take advantage of his mobility and take advantage aggressive defenses.
Feel free to keep up with this part of the argument. But you can no longer reference 2022 and why Dabs isn't doing the same thing; because he is (with a better team).
I guess you are down to just referencing Minnesota and Seattle game.
He is not doing the same thing. Watch the 1st half of the Bengals game again. That is not the same offense as 2022 or Seattle. I get it, the Bengles were stacking the line of scrimmage. But the solution should not have been to try and line Daniel Jones up in shotgun and have him try and find the second or third read of a play. We all know that's not his strength.
So predictable. You are dumb. Have a good day.
How did Jones play in the Seattle game?
You keep ignoring the defense played by Seattle vs Bengals. Seahawks played two high safeties, Bengals crowded the LOS. That's why the run and play action didn't work against Bengals. Now keep trolling
And Daboll's response to that was to go Shotgun and tell Jones to read the defense? Yea, not the best strategy.
That's actually a good strategy against a defense that stacks the box and crowds the LoS. Sadly, Jones can't operate that offense at the least.
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I do not see a change unless he gets injured.
As Eric has stated I am finished with Jones and this season.
Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB. To play that system, you would be better off with Devito. But, the Giants probably don't make that QB switch if Jones is healthy.
This system from 2022 was HUGELY successful against the eagles in the 2022 Divisional round…. And will be stopped again using the same D the eagles used that day if the Giants do institute across the board.
How do you know that for certain? Isn't that where the coaches earn their paychecks? Having to game plan and out scheme the opponent?
How do we know... let's go back to the 2022 offense. Team started 7-2, other D's started scheming against the "new Daboll offense" that you now want to return to... Fine. They won 2 more games the rest of the season. Showed up with the same scheme in Philly on 01/21/2022 and got railroaded back to Jersey.
Let's just trot that back out there now and at least there's hope for the playoffs... How many times have the Giants run into an 8/9 man front, not only in the years since but this season... They did it half the night against Dallas to the tune of 26 rushing yards.
Jones doesn't have the ability to beat a D from either perspective so what is the point of trying it again?
That is schematics. I misspoke by saying 4 wide instead of 3 wide. And, I exaggerated by saying 90%. My overall point remains. Jones isn't a shotgun QB.
Since you're in love with the Seattle game, here are some fun details on snap counts:
Slayton - 90%
Wan'Dale - 82%
Hyatt - 67%
Hodgins - 35%
Theo Johnson - 78%
Chris Manhertz - 26%
Daniel Bellinger - 19%
Sure doesn't seem like they did anything different with their formations based on those numbers.
Oh, and this:
Can't wait to see you spin this one.
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That is schematics. I misspoke by saying 4 wide instead of 3 wide. And, I exaggerated by saying 90%. My overall point remains. Jones isn't a shotgun QB.
Since you're in love with the Seattle game, here are some fun details on snap counts:
Slayton - 90%
Wan'Dale - 82%
Hyatt - 67%
Hodgins - 35%
Theo Johnson - 78%
Chris Manhertz - 26%
Daniel Bellinger - 19%
Sure doesn't seem like they did anything different with their formations based on those numbers.
Oh, and this:
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The biggest wrinkle he added was the personnel grouping from which they chose to run throughout the afternoon. The Giants utilized 3 and 4-wide-receiver sets on 76.7% of their runs against the Seahawks. That number was at just 37.8% through the first 4 games of the season.
Can't wait to see you spin this one. Link - ( New Window )
rsj kicking ass on this thread. Good work!
Do you know what percentage of snaps Jones took out of the shotgun in 2022 vs. 2024?
You were already wildly off in your assumptions regarding personnel packages. So why should we believe your declarations on shotgun vs. under center?
Anecdotally, if you believe Jones cannot operate out of the shotgun, I encourage you to re-watch the 2022 Wildcard game. Jones operated out of the shotgun regularly and arguably had the best/most important game of his career.
It seems like you are upset at the outcome, and trying to work backward to a root cause using assumptions instead of evidence.
rsj kicking ass on this thread. Good work!
Honestly I don't know why I'm wasting my time with this bozo. In a battle of wits he's fighting unarmed.
From 10/3/23
That’s a taller task now, as the Giants had the element of surprise early last season with a new staff. But the smoke and mirrors offense they cobbled together started to get solved by opponents as last season progressed.
Now, it appears that the book is out on the offense. The play-action bootlegs that so frequently set up quarterback Daniel Jones for big runs and easy completions have been blown up. San Francisco’s Nick Bosa nearly dumped Jones for a safety on a bootleg in Week 3 and Seattle’s Mario Edwards got a strip sack after Jones evaded a free rusher on a bootleg on Monday.
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It's incredible the lengths you will go to defend this shitty QB. Truly remarkable.
What so you mean that's not what I said? I am been saying all along the same thind-Jones isn't a modern, spread offense QB. He needs to be playing in a system similar to the Lions or Steelers. Teams that work the running game and attack the defense with play action, misdirection', and screens.
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Let me ask you this. Would you still say you are finished with the season if Daboll goes back to the system with Jones that was successful in 2022 and against Seattle? If Daboll does that then there is still hope to make the playoffs this season. However, if he goes back to his preferred system of 4 wide, shotgun 90% of the time, then I agree this season is over if Jones is the QB.
You wanted the 2022 system, and not "4 wide shotgun 90% of the time".
I provided you with concrete evidence that the Giants are doing exactly that.
That is schematics. I misspoke by saying 4 wide instead of 3 wide. And, I exaggerated by saying 90%. My overall point remains. Jones isn't a shotgun QB.
Schematics?
Do you mean "semantics"?
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That is schematics. I misspoke by saying 4 wide instead of 3 wide. And, I exaggerated by saying 90%. My overall point remains. Jones isn't a shotgun QB.
Since you're in love with the Seattle game, here are some fun details on snap counts:
Slayton - 90%
Wan'Dale - 82%
Hyatt - 67%
Hodgins - 35%
Theo Johnson - 78%
Chris Manhertz - 26%
Daniel Bellinger - 19%
Sure doesn't seem like they did anything different with their formations based on those numbers.
Oh, and this:
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The biggest wrinkle he added was the personnel grouping from which they chose to run throughout the afternoon. The Giants utilized 3 and 4-wide-receiver sets on 76.7% of their runs against the Seahawks. That number was at just 37.8% through the first 4 games of the season.
Can't wait to see you spin this one. Link - ( New Window )
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That is schematics. I misspoke by saying 4 wide instead of 3 wide. And, I exaggerated by saying 90%. My overall point remains. Jones isn't a shotgun QB.
Since you're in love with the Seattle game, here are some fun details on snap counts:
Slayton - 90%
Wan'Dale - 82%
Hyatt - 67%
Hodgins - 35%
Theo Johnson - 78%
Chris Manhertz - 26%
Daniel Bellinger - 19%
Sure doesn't seem like they did anything different with their formations based on those numbers.
Oh, and this:
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The biggest wrinkle he added was the personnel grouping from which they chose to run throughout the afternoon. The Giants utilized 3 and 4-wide-receiver sets on 76.7% of their runs against the Seahawks. That number was at just 37.8% through the first 4 games of the season.
Can't wait to see you spin this one. Link - ( New Window )
What is there to spin? Jones played his best game of the season.
The spin you'd have to engineer to explain how the personnel and formation concerns you are expressing about the Cincinnati game were actually identical in the Seattle game.
The difference wasn't Daboll's gameplan. The difference was the opponent's gameplan and DJ's ability (or lack thereof) to overcome that.
What is there to spin? Jones played his best game of the season.
And there was absolutely nothing different about the Giants personnel/formations. In your head you imagined something about the Seattle game that was simply not true, because you needed a scapegoat for Jones playing like a fucking asshole against Cincinnati.
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In comment 16650085 Eightshamrocks said:
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That is schematics. I misspoke by saying 4 wide instead of 3 wide. And, I exaggerated by saying 90%. My overall point remains. Jones isn't a shotgun QB.
Since you're in love with the Seattle game, here are some fun details on snap counts:
Slayton - 90%
Wan'Dale - 82%
Hyatt - 67%
Hodgins - 35%
Theo Johnson - 78%
Chris Manhertz - 26%
Daniel Bellinger - 19%
Sure doesn't seem like they did anything different with their formations based on those numbers.
Oh, and this:
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The biggest wrinkle he added was the personnel grouping from which they chose to run throughout the afternoon. The Giants utilized 3 and 4-wide-receiver sets on 76.7% of their runs against the Seahawks. That number was at just 37.8% through the first 4 games of the season.
Can't wait to see you spin this one. Link - ( New Window )
What is there to spin? Jones played his best game of the season.
Yet it still took an otherworldly play by the special teams to keep Seattle from going ahead at the end of the game.