So much conversation with Jones, and the desire to get Devito in to replace him since there is no future with Lock. Believe me, I am advocate #1 in sending Jones to the bench like yesterday, but I would not go straight to Devito.
People talk about setting the right conditions to evaluate Jones and the QB position. But what about setting the proper conditions to evaluate Daboll and what his scheme needs to be successful? Drew Lock has by far the biggest arm of the QB room, a quality Daboll took advantage of with Josh Allen. Lock's arm means potential opportunities to make certain types of passes and the ability to push the ball down the field in a manner the other QB's cannot. The arm talent of Lock better approximates the version of QB arm talent that enabled everyone to become enamored with what Daboll was doing in Buffalo. Sure, Lock will not be able to produce anywhere near the level of Allen, or as consistently, but he can do some Allen "lite" things the other QB's cannot. I want to see if having a huge arm is a prerequisite to winning in this scheme.
To find out, I propose putting Lock in at QB to evaluate Daboll and his scheme with a big-armed QB. Lock may suck, but the goal is to learn something valuable about Daboll and his system, which traits are most important in the system, so that it can inform future decision making on QB prospects.
Commit to Lock for the next 3 games. Let's see what a rifle and a little reckless abandon looks like in this scheme. If Lock doesn't perform in this time, and there is no reason to think he will, we move to Devito and give him the remainder of the year to discover another side of learnings. Maybe he surprises, who knows. But hopefully we will have seen enough to add to our knowledge base to improve decision making on prospects.
Jones has proven he is not good enough to be a starting NFL QB and he/coaches keep slamming him into the heart of defense just to get an occasional first down. This has become the definition of futility to keep expecting something to change with the offense with him under center.
Unfortunately that means we have to also; but hopefully brighter days ahead with a new QB in 2025.
scary thought
Tbh, I would not hate them going to Devito at some point. He was at least exciting to watch and the team seemed to rally around him last year. He’s also the only QB who is under contract next year so may as well see if he can be a capable backup.
Unfortunately that means we have to also; but hopefully brighter days ahead with a new QB in 2025.
That is a stupid statement and sentiment. If Jones gets hurts it hurts next year. Its one thing to be against a player and another to wish long term harm to the franchise to feel vindicated somehow. This is when I lose belief that some are actually Giants fans. Be done with Jones, YES! Play a backup who might actually spark the team- YES! Wish the guy you hate stays the QB so that you get your weird perceived pound of flesh- NO!
I’ll give you that Jones is better, but far better? Not a chance. At least Lock will look deep.
I don’t see much upside with Lock, that’s why I’d rather see DeVito. Maybe he’s no better than either Jones or Lock, but why not find out?
If so, I'm going with Jones from here on out. Let him lead us to glory ... in the draft!
Those are our alternatives. Why?
Thats the question we should be asking
Speaking of the Prez of the DSFC, it would be great if Lock started, did great, and Slayton was the beneficiary.
That might break him... ;)
"You cried for night... it falls... now cry in darkness." - Samuel Beckett
Even Darius Slayton can't save Lock.
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The organization wanted Jones, so they need to eat the DJ shit sandwich every week. No cop outs; no exit ramp. All season.
Unfortunately that means we have to also; but hopefully brighter days ahead with a new QB in 2025.
That is a stupid statement and sentiment. If Jones gets hurts it hurts next year. Its one thing to be against a player and another to wish long term harm to the franchise to feel vindicated somehow. This is when I lose belief that some are actually Giants fans. Be done with Jones, YES! Play a backup who might actually spark the team- YES! Wish the guy you hate stays the QB so that you get your weird perceived pound of flesh- NO!
I don't hate Jones. I just don't think he's a good QB.
I'm not trying to get a pound of flesh.
The organization made the decision to give him a contract, and then not come up with viable backup options this season. So now they (we) get to suffer through a full season of DJ.
Pretty simple.
This whole QB situation is in Joe Schoen's lap. He offered Jones the ridiculously high contract that was approved by the co-owner of the team, but Schoen created the contract that Jones signed.
Schoen is also responsible for the lack of quality in the QB room by signing Drew Lock and not cutting Tommy DeVito.
Joe Schoen is surviving on borrowed time, and he should hear the wrath of the fans while we continue hollering about the level of ineptness at that position on Schoen's team.
If I was the HC of the Giants I would bench Jones and hand the ball to Drew Lock. If Lock is as lousy as everyone claims, then the Giants will have to draft their next starting QB in the 2025 NFL Draft.
Always raising options that the coaching staff would otherwise fail to consider.
Another win for the internet.
Always raising options that the coaching staff would otherwise fail to consider.
Another win for the internet.
This x 1000. It's on the organization. DJ is our best QB, by far. Yet, he is not a good QB.
We are in hell and deserve it.
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Jones is a far better QB
scary thought
It's a scary thought but it is also an unproven thought as it relates to Lock in Daboll's scheme, since he has never played in a regular season game with Daboll or with the 1st team. To compare apples to apples, give Lock his shot and let's see who really is worse.
The Giants lose enough games to get a top 3 pick.
You could make the case for benching DJ and starting Lock (to keep DJ healthy). Then Lock gets hurt, and you're back to DJ, and yada yada.
All moot. The Giants are not going to give up on the season.
This whole QB situation is in Joe Schoen's lap. He offered Jones the ridiculously high contract that was approved by the co-owner of the team, but Schoen created the contract that Jones signed.
Schoen is also responsible for the lack of quality in the QB room by signing Drew Lock and not cutting Tommy DeVito.
Joe Schoen is surviving on borrowed time, and he should hear the wrath of the fans while we continue hollering about the level of ineptness at that position on Schoen's team.
If I was the HC of the Giants I would bench Jones and hand the ball to Drew Lock. If Lock is as lousy as everyone claims, then the Giants will have to draft their next starting QB in the 2025 NFL Draft.
IF Lock can make the throws, he would have to be horrible in the mental department to be worse than DJ.
They aren't benching DJ, yet, but when they do, it'll be for Lock.
Based on Jones’ 6 years experience and Lock’s 6 years experience, Jones hasn’t improved and hasn’t learned shit. Lock may show bad judgment some times and get intercepted more often, but he can throw long, isn’t afraid to throw into tight windows, can look for his second option, throw outside the hash marks and throw completions on the move better than Jones. And he can learn from his mistakes. Jones apparently can’t, as shown be his interception Sunday.
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The organization wanted Jones, so they need to eat the DJ shit sandwich every week. No cop outs; no exit ramp. All season.
Unfortunately that means we have to also; but hopefully brighter days ahead with a new QB in 2025.
That is a stupid statement and sentiment. If Jones gets hurts it hurts next year. Its one thing to be against a player and another to wish long term harm to the franchise to feel vindicated somehow. This is when I lose belief that some are actually Giants fans. Be done with Jones, YES! Play a backup who might actually spark the team- YES! Wish the guy you hate stays the QB so that you get your weird perceived pound of flesh- NO!
It's not stupid. I want whatever is going to get a new regime here.
You're still stuck on getting wins this year. Short term thinking.
This team has bigger issues than $23M in 2025 cap space.
I'm fine with either him or DeVito. I just want Jones benched. His play stinks and if he gets hurt it might trigger his $23M injury guarantee.
Tbh, I would not hate them going to Devito at some point. He was at least exciting to watch and the team seemed to rally around him last year. He’s also the only QB who is under contract next year so may as well see if he can be a capable backup.
But Dabs is a QB whisperer .... let him earn his money
This team has bigger issues than $23M in 2025 cap space.
It was otherworldly idiotic to put that clause in there while Jones had no leverage and the Giants bent over backwards negotiating against themselves. You are right in this way, the fact we even have to discuss it is an issue.
and I'll say it here again:
Tommy DeVito is the best QB on this roster.
full stop.
They are paying these two a combined 5 mil . They traded a 6th that can turn into a 4th but they also recouped 2 7ths and a trade down from 3rd to 4 for Pickett
Absolute peanuts
They are paying these two a combined 5 mil . They traded a 6th that can turn into a 4th but they also recouped 2 7ths and a trade down from 3rd to 4 for Pickett
Absolute peanuts
Because the Steelers want to win games and not the favor of Justin Fields.
They are paying these two a combined 5 mil . They traded a 6th that can turn into a 4th but they also recouped 2 7ths and a trade down from 3rd to 4 for Pickett
Absolute peanuts
Pittsburgh has put on a clinic on how to manage the QB position until you find the right long-term solution.
Unfortunately that means we have to also; but hopefully brighter days ahead with a new QB in 2025.
No. You don't want him getting hurt and potentially forcing another year of him because he's too expensive to part ways with due to the dumb injury clause.
The Giants would never do this, but Sunday should be his last start if they lose, as they would be reasonably out of contention at that point.
and I'll say it here again:
Tommy DeVito is the best QB on this roster.
full stop.
You were wrong last year, wrong in the preseason and you're wrong now.
And finishing your post with the words, "full stop" doesn't make DeVito any better than the #3 QB.
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I said it during the pre season
and I'll say it here again:
Tommy DeVito is the best QB on this roster.
full stop.
You were wrong last year, wrong in the preseason and you're wrong now.
And finishing your post with the words, "full stop" doesn't make DeVito any better than the #3 QB.
The evidence says
Jones is 3-9 with 8 TDs and 10 ints in 12 starts last 2 seasons
DeVito is 3-3 with 8 TDs and 3 ints in 6 games in last 2 seasons
DeVito also beat a playoff bound Packers team in prime time with 3 TDs (something Jones hasnt done in 5 years) and a game winning drive
Whats your evidence?
Either way, Jones should be benched based on performance.
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I said it during the pre season
and I'll say it here again:
Tommy DeVito is the best QB on this roster.
full stop.
You were wrong last year, wrong in the preseason and you're wrong now.
And finishing your post with the words, "full stop" doesn't make DeVito any better than the #3 QB.
The evidence says
Jones is 3-9 with 8 TDs and 10 ints in 12 starts last 2 seasons
DeVito is 3-3 with 8 TDs and 3 ints in 6 games in last 2 seasons
DeVito also beat a playoff bound Packers team in prime time with 3 TDs (something Jones hasnt done in 5 years) and a game winning drive
Whats your evidence?
Same amount of TD passes in 50% less games, better Int ratio, and Devito did not get to play with this year’s offensive line and a true number 1 receiver.
As others have mentioned, they've seen enough of all 3 to think Jones gives us the best chance of winning, at least so far. Doesn't mean he's good; just better than the other 2.
I think he should play whoever he thinks gives him the chance to show that. I have hardly seen Lock play.
Like I have said, if Jones stinks this week, you pull him at half time and put in Cutlets. Daboll has shown he wants to run his system a certain way, and Devito is probably better suited to running the 4 wide shotgun system. Jones is the choice if Daboll were to run the system he used 2022 and against Seattle. If Daboll insists on calling plays like he did in the 1st have against Cincinatti, then playing Jones is pointless.
Like I have said, if Jones stinks this week, you pull him at half time and put in Cutlets. Daboll has shown he wants to run his system a certain way, and Devito is probably better suited to running the 4 wide shotgun system. Jones is the choice if Daboll were to run the system he used 2022 and against Seattle. If Daboll insists on calling plays like he did in the 1st have against Cincinatti, then playing Jones is pointless.
Playing Jones isn't pointless if you are Daboll. He is the best QB on the roster, by far, and Dabs needs to win games.
Continually bringing up 2022 and the Seattle game is so dumb. A legitimate NFL QB should have been able to execute Daboll's game plan against Seattle. He can't read a defense.
Jones is just a bottom tier QB. Jones can play the rest of the year, then we look towards his replacement in 2025.