NFT: Knicks final preseason game @Washington 7pm

In comment 16651566 NYDCBlue said:

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I think Randle is slightly better than him, thus the best player in that trade, plus loosing The Big Rangue will be huge for our shooting and spacing. AND WE THREW A FIRST ON TOP?????? Terrible trade. Then again the Knicks have a long history of terrible trades, so this one barely registeres in the history of the team.

You also realize their spacing is better now right?

In comment 16651682 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16651566 NYDCBlue said: Quote: I think Randle is slightly better than him, thus the best player in that trade, plus loosing The Big Rangue will be huge for our shooting and spacing. AND WE THREW A FIRST ON TOP?????? Terrible trade. Then again the Knicks have a long history of terrible trades, so this one barely registeres in the history of the team. You also realize their spacing is better now right?

So long as KAT hits his threes like he's shown he can do in his career. But he's been awful from 3PT land in preseason.

In comment 16651685 Anakim said:

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In comment 16651682 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16651566 NYDCBlue said: Quote: I think Randle is slightly better than him, thus the best player in that trade, plus loosing The Big Rangue will be huge for our shooting and spacing. AND WE THREW A FIRST ON TOP?????? Terrible trade. Then again the Knicks have a long history of terrible trades, so this one barely registeres in the history of the team. You also realize their spacing is better now right? So long as KAT hits his threes like he's shown he can do in his career. But he's been awful from 3PT land in preseason.

Its preseason, the guy is the best shooting big of all time, he is not all of a sudden not going to be able to shoot 3s

In comment 16651692 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16651685 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 16651682 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16651566 NYDCBlue said: Quote: I think Randle is slightly better than him, thus the best player in that trade, plus loosing The Big Rangue will be huge for our shooting and spacing. AND WE THREW A FIRST ON TOP?????? Terrible trade. Then again the Knicks have a long history of terrible trades, so this one barely registeres in the history of the team. You also realize their spacing is better now right? So long as KAT hits his threes like he's shown he can do in his career. But he's been awful from 3PT land in preseason. Its preseason, the guy is the best shooting big of all time, he is not all of a sudden not going to be able to shoot 3s

I know, I'm just nervous. You wonder if he's getting up there in age and slowing down. IDK. But it's not it's his knees. He barely gets any vertical on his jumpshot.

In comment 16651695 Anakim said:

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In comment 16651692 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16651685 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 16651682 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16651566 NYDCBlue said: Quote: I think Randle is slightly better than him, thus the best player in that trade, plus loosing The Big Rangue will be huge for our shooting and spacing. AND WE THREW A FIRST ON TOP?????? Terrible trade. Then again the Knicks have a long history of terrible trades, so this one barely registeres in the history of the team. You also realize their spacing is better now right? So long as KAT hits his threes like he's shown he can do in his career. But he's been awful from 3PT land in preseason. Its preseason, the guy is the best shooting big of all time, he is not all of a sudden not going to be able to shoot 3s I know, I'm just nervous. You wonder if he's getting up there in age and slowing down. IDK. But it's not it's his knees. He barely gets any vertical on his jumpshot.

Never does, even when he posts up..

He’s a better career three point shooter than Dante, he’ll be fine. He just hit traded, had to move and get acclimated to a new team and it’s preseason. It far too soon to be nervous about his shot

With what, 2 points through four games on 5 shots?

At some point he’s just more impactful off the bench.

I think the Knicks best five will ultimately be jb-deuce-bridges-OG-KAT

Deuce is simply a better 3 and D player than Hart and that’s what the starters need imo.

Payne will play but I’d love a Kolek-Hart-Dadiet-Precious bench

he will be the first sub in and he will play 30 minutes a night, but i thjnk we will see the value of Josh Hart when the real bullets start to fly..

Little things like fjnding the open space to cut when his man goes to cut, crashing the boards because no one is putting a body on him, him pushing the pace off rebounds..

His 3 point shooting will be suspect but you cant just ignore him, you ignore him and you are asking for him to grab offensive boards..

It will be Brunson and KATs job to find him on those cuts..

I almost get the impression that now that he has his extension behind him, he’s fine with doing the dirty work that helps the team and not look to score. But we’ve scene where he goes on runs himself, especially on the fast breaks which will happen more in the regular season. He scores when game dictates he needs to. I’m not worried that he’s not looking to shoot a lot during preseason, I actually think it’s a positive if his during the preseason. It’s all about the team with him and now his teammates whose games rely on shooting need that work more.

the Knicks havnt shot well at all and are one of the highest scoring teams in the preseason..

required with this thing. Basically a whole new starting lineup. It is going to take some time for everyone to get comfortable. They will each eventually find their place. Right now Towns, Bridges and Hart all look very uncomfortable and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it is to be expected. Everyone should be more worried about the injuries piling up. We are starting the season with three fifths of our second unit injured and they have only played five preseason games. Also, on the positive side, all three of the draft picks look like they will be NBA rotational plays at some point. That is huge considering the cupboard is not as stocked as in the recent past.

In comment 16651938 steve in ky said:

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I almost get the impression that now that he has his extension behind him, he’s fine with doing the dirty work that helps the team and not look to score. But we’ve scene where he goes on runs himself, especially on the fast breaks which will happen more in the regular season. He scores when game dictates he needs to. I’m not worried that he’s not looking to shoot a lot during preseason, I actually think it’s a positive if his during the preseason. It’s all about the team with him and now his teammates whose games rely on shooting need that work more.

“I’m lost. I have no idea,” Hart said. “There’s a couple days before we have until Boston. So whether that’s trying to get a rhythm with that starting unit or we give somebody else a look and my role changes and comes off the bench and go with that unit. So just trying to figure out right now I pretty much have no idea. But we’ll see what happens in Boston (in the season opener Tuesday).”

That was Hart after the game. Safe to say he doesn't feel like he's impacting the game with the starters.

He's not even rebounding at a high level. 12 rebounds in total across 4 games and 90 minutes.

It's preseason, moving parts, etc., but it's something to monitor

Hart wears his emotions on his sleeves and is vocal about it. He’s the least of my worries on this team

Because we’ve seen him in that role. All I’m saying is he’s not an issue and will find his game when it counts whether the situation calls for him to start or come off the bench. Harts not an issue

I don't think he's lost his mojo, he's just the worst player of the five starters. He's the 5th best scorer and probably 3rd best defender.

His best skill is probably his chaotic energy, which feels like a huge lift as the 6th man and less impactful as a starter.

Deuce meanwhile has his 10 3s in 3 preseason games and spaces the floor for Brunson and KAT to work their basically unstoppable two man game.

We'll see what happens but I think the move makes a ton of sense.

I trust Thibbs to push the right buttons

I don't care what sport we're talking about. I would take them with less than a grain of salt. There probably will be an adjustment period to start the season working 2 huge new pieces into the starting lineup in Bridges and KAT. The best news is coming out of camp outside of Mitch which we baked in, we're healthy. Excited to tip it off Boston and hopefully wreck their banner raising.

Strictly because he is just the energizer bunny. He just goes and goes. I’m not looking at him to contribute 15-18 points. Just crash the boards. Play defense and give his normal great effort.

My concern is bridges right now. That hitch he has is rough and him talking about trying to fix his jumper is what worries me. He’s looked dreadful and we will see how fans handle him playing poorly if he starts the season as bad as he is currently. Given how we dealt 5 picks. Your gonna have alot of noise about how we should have kept Divo

That being said I’m still happy with the trade and know we need to be patient. But id be lying if I wasn’t a little bit surprised at the shooting from
Him so far.

and they definitely haven't gelled yet. I wouldn't say I'm concerned, but I thought they'd be further along than this.

At the end of the day, we're going to have to get consistent offensive output from guys who haven't shot well in the preseason. Bridges, OG and KAT all need to find their shots. Lots of room for improvement.

I have been encouraged by the Brunson-KAT game. Brunson has found KAT on a couple really nice cuts to the basket so that is promising.

The sky isn't falling, but there's still a lot of work to do to get to where I want the team to go.

harder for teams to put their center on Deuce and Hart can come off the bench and just cause havoc

/Giants fans...

In comment 16651975 Jan in DC said:

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and they definitely haven't gelled yet. I wouldn't say I'm concerned, but I thought they'd be further along than this. At the end of the day, we're going to have to get consistent offensive output from guys who haven't shot well in the preseason. Bridges, OG and KAT all need to find their shots. Lots of room for improvement. I have been encouraged by the Brunson-KAT game. Brunson has found KAT on a couple really nice cuts to the basket so that is promising. The sky isn't falling, but there's still a lot of work to do to get to where I want the team to go.

The Brunson/KAT two man game is going to determine about 85% of the Knicks success this year. The remaining 15% will be if someone can figure out how to score against OG and Bridges.

If KAT shoots 40% from 3 on like 8 attempts per game and Brunson does Brunson things, the offense is going to be absurd.

What the hell did he do to his shooting form? It looks long, awkward, and he’s shooting terribly. He’s trying to change the release point, and so far it just does not look like a good move, he needs to just stick with what’s been working.

In comment 16652001 Mike in NJ said:

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What the hell did he do to his shooting form? It looks long, awkward, and he’s shooting terribly. He’s trying to change the release point, and so far it just does not look like a good move, he needs to just stick with what’s been working.

I came here to ask about this...as a Nets fan, he was fine in Brooklyn his 1st year, great actually. In his 2nd year, whatever issues there were, it had nothing to do with his shot technique...no idea why they'd want to mess with it now. And obviously the Knicks coaches are the motivators or supporters of this, just seems like an odd time in his career to be messing with it

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WASHINGTON — After a brutal shooting performance — and a difficult preseason overall from beyond the arc — Mikal Bridges acknowledged he tinkered with his shooting form in an effort to reclaim his comfort of Villanova. “Ever since I got into the league, been trying to fix it back to when I was in college,” Bridges said. “So it’s been seven years of just every day.” Bridges has an unconventional hitch to his form, a habit he said he picked up after going pro in 2018. However, he clearly altered it again before this season and it was ineffective in preseason.

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In comment 16652020 kelsto811 said:

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In comment 16652001 Mike in NJ said: Quote: What the hell did he do to his shooting form? It looks long, awkward, and he’s shooting terribly. He’s trying to change the release point, and so far it just does not look like a good move, he needs to just stick with what’s been working. I came here to ask about this...as a Nets fan, he was fine in Brooklyn his 1st year, great actually. In his 2nd year, whatever issues there were, it had nothing to do with his shot technique...no idea why they'd want to mess with it now. And obviously the Knicks coaches are the motivators or supporters of this, just seems like an odd time in his career to be messing with it

He said he has been altering his shot every year since he has gotten to the NBA, has nothing to do with the Knicks

and still has been a great shooter makes me less worried about his shot

Seems Knicks value Shamet enough to allow him to occupy the vet roster spot and rehab the shoulder:

Landry Shamet dislocated his right shoulder and will be re-evaluated at a later date.
— NY_KnicksPR (@NY_KnicksPR) October 18, 2024


Based on the wording here, sounds like the Knicks will take him into the season. Contract isn’t guaranteed until January. https://t.co/eXC56oyp1c
— James L. Edwards III (@JLEdwardsIII) October 18, 2024


Haven't seen update on Precious's apparent hamstring issue. Being down two members of second unit wouldn't be ideal.

Knicks can stay at 12 guys for 2 weeks

In comment 16652180 nygiants16 said:

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Knicks can stay at 12 guys for 2 weeks

Thanks. I see that just happened.

Staying at 12 standard players and waiting for Shamet I'd say amounts to same thing.

Being down Mitch, Shamet and possibly Precious would be a drag on the second unit.

In comment 16652180 nygiants16 said:

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Knicks can stay at 12 guys for 2 weeks

Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto

The New York Knicks have waived TJ Warren, Landry Shamet and Chuma Okeke, team says.

Shooting form in consecutive years for his career. Its not a new development, ive got zero concerns. Never been an issue for him in real games.

Celtics waived Lonnie Walker, wonder if the Knicks have any interest? Seems like a like for like replacement for Shamet.

@IanBegley
With Landry Shamet situation up in air, NYK didn’t have cap space under 2nd apron for T.J. Warren. Warren had support among some NYK coaches & front office to make roster. He is going to join Westchester, SNY has learned, as he’ll likely be in mix to rejoin NYK during season.

In comment 16651979 nygiants16 said:

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harder for teams to put their center on Deuce and Hart can come off the bench and just cause havoc

Probably the biggest argument is the offensive rebound issue.

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In comment 16652825 Anakim said:

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He can be helpful!
Can he play D any more?

much for the Mitch for Murphy BS

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In comment 16652825 Anakim said:

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Just purchased an apartment in Brooklyn. Doesn't mean a ton when you are worth as much as these guys are but still potentially notable.

Precious out 2-4 weeks with hamstring.

Starters

JB
Hart
Bridges
OG
KAT

Bench

McBride
Payne
Kolek
Dadiet
Sims
Hukporti
Jacob Toppin: had injured ankle for pre-season but not on injured list for opener

Knicks have 12 players on standard contracts, including the unavailable Mitch. And three players on non-guaranteed: Hukporti, Toppin and the injured McCullar.

Fred Katz's comment on the situation, in the wake of the injuries to Shamet and Precious:

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On his "Katz and Shoot" podcast, The Athletic's Fred Katz said he thinks Dadiet could be the next-man-up in the rotation. "I think it might be Dadiet," Katz said of the rotation. "And if you told me a month ago, especially before the [Towns] trade, that Pacome Dadiet was going to be in the Knicks' opening night rotation, I'd be like, what the hell happened here?"

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for the yankee home games next week is north of $1,000. I mention this only because I suspect Knick tickets to be even more expensive should they ever make the finals.

In comment 16656682 shyster said:

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Fred Katz's comment on the situation, in the wake of the injuries to Shamet and Precious: Quote: On his "Katz and Shoot" podcast, The Athletic's Fred Katz said he thinks Dadiet could be the next-man-up in the rotation. "I think it might be Dadiet," Katz said of the rotation. "And if you told me a month ago, especially before the [Towns] trade, that Pacome Dadiet was going to be in the Knicks' opening night rotation, I'd be like, what the hell happened here?" sporting news - ( New Window )

I was thinking it might be Dadiet as well. Or else Hukporti or Sims get some minutes at the 5 and KAT some minutes at the 4. But Dadiet in place of Precious may be less of a disruption to the rotation overall.

i think even if he goes 9 i think he is going to have 2 starters with the bench unit..

Something like this sub pattern:

Deuce for Bridges 5 or 6 minute mark.
Sims for KAT a couple minutes later
Dadiet for Hart with a couple of minutes left..
Brunson and OG finish the quarter

Start 2nd with Payne, Deuce, Brisges, KAT and Dadiet or Sims..

Bridges and KAT play entire 2nd..Hart comes in around 8 minute mark for Dadiet or Sims...

Brunson and OG return with 5 or 6 minutes left in the 2nd

In comment 16656830 Enzo said:

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for the yankee home games next week is north of $1,000. I mention this only because I suspect Knick tickets to be even more expensive should they ever make the finals.

I have season tickets and right now I have the Christmas Day game against the Spurs for sale...1,200 each. Some have sold around my section for even more already.

Pacome Dadiet is about to get big bench minute his rookie year, but sure enough he's no worse than the 9th man right now, maybe 8th.

I think he's pretty concretely shaken off the narrative that he's too raw to play though. He was absolutely cooking in the preseason. I'm excited to see what he can do.

It's going to take very little for me to start calling for Big Huk over Sims too.

Two rotation guys injured in preseason games and who knows when Mitch returns. We’ll get through it though.

lose Wiseman (torn Achilles)

In comment 16656874 Jon In NYC said:

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Pacome Dadiet is about to get big bench minute his rookie year, but sure enough he's no worse than the 9th man right now, maybe 8th. I think he's pretty concretely shaken off the narrative that he's too raw to play though. He was absolutely cooking in the preseason. I'm excited to see what he can do. It's going to take very little for me to start calling for Big Huk over Sims too.

Dadiet looks very comfortable and competent. Somewhat like Kolek.

Im with you on Hukporti, but Sims isnt really putting up a fight for his job.

and allow players to be physical with him, he is going to struggle, he looks like he cant do anything with the guys oushing him around