Expectation is normal regular season rotation, which we havnt seen yet..
Does Thibs go with Payne, Deuce, Precious and Sims with Bridges? or does Thibs maybe go with 2 starters on the court at all times?
I dont trust Sims at all so i would lean Bridges and Kat with the second unit
Indeed. They're almost certainly going to convert his two-way deal into a standard contract before the regular season starts in a few days in Boston.
Surprised a guy like him slipped to 58. 4 years of pro ball exp. in Germany for a guy with his size and athleticism? Don't follow hoops like I used to but looks like Knicks maybe got another 2nd round steal.
They also could represent new assets added to the cupboard..
They also coild make it easier to send out Mitch
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Marcus Morris
Danilo Gallinari
Robin Lopez
JaVale McGee
Reggie Bullock
Justin Holiday
Ryan Arcidiacono(I kid)
Not sure what they have left in the tank but could be back of the bench Vets.
They also could represent new assets added to the cupboard..
They also coild make it easier to send out Mitch
+1 Absolutely
Glad you pointed this out again here. It is indeed vital. Mitch can be the way this team creates cap space. Hopefully Mitch heals up enough in January for the NYK to deal him off. Washington would be the ideal trading partners. 1 for 1 for Jonas Valančiūnas. Center for Center. Give them back their protected first rounder plus a second round pick. Knicks would created almost an extra 4.4 million under the second apron for them to work with. They're projected to be something like 330K under the second apron. They're barely scraping by, which is why they can't sign a 15th guy to their full time roster.
"Dadiet became the first first-rounder to sign for 80 percent of the rookie scale since 2019. If Dadiet had signed a typical first-round contract, then the Knicks would not have Karl-Anthony Towns today — or, at least, they could not have acquired Towns the way they did."
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"Dadiet became the first first-rounder to sign for 80 percent of the rookie scale since 2019. If Dadiet had signed a typical first-round contract, then the Knicks would not have Karl-Anthony Towns today — or, at least, they could not have acquired Towns the way they did." Link - ( New Window )
Just shows that Randle was never going to be on this team opening night
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You may need a subscription - which I highly recommend as The Athletic is awesome with all NY teams - to read this. Great article detailing how complex the cap is and how great the Knicks 'cap guy' is as it is much more than just a guys salary. For example, talks about how they got Dadiet to agree to lower terms in advance of trading for KAT.
"Dadiet became the first first-rounder to sign for 80 percent of the rookie scale since 2019. If Dadiet had signed a typical first-round contract, then the Knicks would not have Karl-Anthony Towns today — or, at least, they could not have acquired Towns the way they did." Link - ( New Window )
Just shows that Randle was never going to be on this team opening night
The tea leaves aligned.
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You may need a subscription - which I highly recommend as The Athletic is awesome with all NY teams - to read this. Great article detailing how complex the cap is and how great the Knicks 'cap guy' is as it is much more than just a guys salary. For example, talks about how they got Dadiet to agree to lower terms in advance of trading for KAT.
"Dadiet became the first first-rounder to sign for 80 percent of the rookie scale since 2019. If Dadiet had signed a typical first-round contract, then the Knicks would not have Karl-Anthony Towns today — or, at least, they could not have acquired Towns the way they did." Link - ( New Window )
Just shows that Randle was never going to be on this team opening night
How did you get to that conclusion. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I still felt they were going to roll with him if they couldn’t make something better happen (they did)
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You may need a subscription - which I highly recommend as The Athletic is awesome with all NY teams - to read this. Great article detailing how complex the cap is and how great the Knicks 'cap guy' is as it is much more than just a guys salary. For example, talks about how they got Dadiet to agree to lower terms in advance of trading for KAT.
"Dadiet became the first first-rounder to sign for 80 percent of the rookie scale since 2019. If Dadiet had signed a typical first-round contract, then the Knicks would not have Karl-Anthony Towns today — or, at least, they could not have acquired Towns the way they did." Link - ( New Window )
Just shows that Randle was never going to be on this team opening night
How did you get to that conclusion. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I still felt they were going to roll with him if they couldn’t make something better happen (they did)
First the constant contact with KAT..
Second the discount Brunson gave them, if they were sticking with Randle really no reason for him to take the discount..
3rd them calling agents telling them theybwere only going to give 80% of rookie scale..
If they were sticking with randle they wouodnt have needed to pinch pennies like they did, if they give Dadiet a normal rookie scale, KAT trad eor any trade for a big salary player wasnt happening..
Also the KaT trade needed to be done before the season
I think they'll revisit Mitch around the February 6th trade deadline. He should be healthy and playing by then. I highly doubt they're done.
He got drafted in the first round and a guranteed contract
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He got drafted in the first round and a guranteed contract
So he might've otherwise not been drafted in the first rd, so he wouldn't have gotten a guaranteed contract. Makes sense. Thanks.
REALLY? Interesting. Straight up? He's an excellent defender.
Why worried? Wouldn't that be a good thing for him and for the team?
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What's the point?
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. How many wings do we need?
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What's the point?
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. How many wings do we need?
They have enough bigs in KAT, Precious, Ariel, Sims
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What's the point?
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. How many wings do we need?
They have enough bigs in KAT, Precious, Ariel, Sims
Quantity-wise, but quality-wise? Not really.
There’s only so many big minutes to go around when you’re not going to play much of traditional lineups in regards to the 4 position
By the time Mitch returns if the starting 5 is rolling, Mitch is going to play about 15 minutes a night if thaylt and him and Precious really dont work togrther..
A Backup 3-4 wing that can shoot would be perfect off the bench next to Precious..
I really dont want to see Sims at all..
By the time Mitch returns if the starting 5 is rolling, Mitch is going to play about 15 minutes a night if thaylt and him and Precious really dont work togrther..
A Backup 3-4 wing that can shoot would be perfect off the bench next to Precious..
I really dont want to see Sims at all..
One thing not mentioned above in the trail of breadcrumbs was all the insane moves on draft night. Getting out of 24 and working the second round was important. As was the lack of an extension for Julius. They were pushing Randle/ Mitch all summer on the Wolves.
Hukporti is interesting as he can gain NBA experience while Mitch is out. Then make that decision on trading Mitch. The other interesting possibility is Precious with
His $6 mil one year deal. Is he filler with Mitch for a bigger fish or important depth piece?
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What's the point?
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. How many wings do we need?
They have enough bigs in KAT, Precious, Ariel, Sims
When KAT misses games, you are okay with those behind him?
After the KAT trade: We have enough C. We need to trade Mitch.
KAT misses a ton of games every year.
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What's the point?
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. How many wings do we need?
They have enough bigs in KAT, Precious, Ariel, Sims
When KAT misses games, you are okay with those behind him?
Yes.
After the KAT trade: We have enough C. We need to trade Mitch.
KAT misses a ton of games every year.
We needed another C because Mitch was hurt.
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KAT:
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Robinson's total: 254
KAT's total: 250
Again, if we weren't happy with Robinson as our C due to injuries, how can we be okay with KAT and trading Mitch?
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What's the point?
For a wing making around 12 million, save a couple of million and you add deoth to the wing position
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. How many wings do we need?
They have enough bigs in KAT, Precious, Ariel, Sims
When KAT misses games, you are okay with those behind him?
Yes.
This is ridiculous
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KAT:
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Robinson's total: 254
KAT's total: 250
Again, if we weren't happy with Robinson as our C due to injuries, how can we be okay with KAT and trading Mitch?
We werent happy with Mitch because he is not gojng to be able to play until January, maybe..
If Kat misses games, Preciius can start, he has started and played pretty damn well..
You then would have Hukporti and posaibly Sims..
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KAT:
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Robinson's total: 254
KAT's total: 250
Again, if we weren't happy with Robinson as our C due to injuries, how can we be okay with KAT and trading Mitch?
There does seem to be a prevailing thought that KAT’s injuries are more flukey and Mitches are more chronic but who knows
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Robinson's total: 254
KAT's total: 250
Again, if we weren't happy with Robinson as our C due to injuries, how can we be okay with KAT and trading Mitch?
We werent happy with Mitch because he is not gojng to be able to play until January, maybe..
If Kat misses games, Preciius can start, he has started and played pretty damn well..
You then would have Hukporti and posaibly Sims..
All you are doing is typing names. You say all the time how much Sims sucks. I like Precious a lot but let's be realistic. He is not a full time C. He looked like a midget next to Embiid. He is great in moments here and there. Imo, he's way more of a 4. We all hope Humporti works out. But if KAT goes down at the end of the season, our whole season is ruined. None of the guys you mentioned are good enough to go up against Philly or Boston. With Mitch, we have a fighting chance with the new additions. This isn't about the regular season. This is about winning a championship and the playoffs.
It's the NBA. More than half the teams make the playoffs. This isn't about the regular season. This is about the playoffs.
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KAT:
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Robinson's total: 254
KAT's total: 250
Again, if we weren't happy with Robinson as our C due to injuries, how can we be okay with KAT and trading Mitch?
We werent happy with Mitch because he is not gojng to be able to play until January, maybe..
If Kat misses games, Preciius can start, he has started and played pretty damn well..
You then would have Hukporti and posaibly Sims..
All you are doing is typing names. You say all the time how much Sims sucks. I like Precious a lot but let's be realistic. He is not a full time C. He looked like a midget next to Embiid. He is great in moments here and there. Imo, he's way more of a 4. We all hope Humporti works out. But if KAT goes down at the end of the season, our whole season is ruined. None of the guys you mentioned are good enough to go up against Philly or Boston. With Mitch, we have a fighting chance with the new additions. This isn't about the regular season. This is about winning a championship and the playoffs.
If Kat is out for the playoffs the Knicks are no longer a contedner whether Mitch is on the team or not...
The key is getting to the playoffs healthy, Precious can handle the center position for spots during the regular season..
Hukporti looks like he can handle 10 minutes a night already..
Sims sucks ass and would be an absolute last resort..
I like Mitch but with KAT on this team his services are not as needed as years past
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Robinson's total: 254
KAT's total: 250
Again, if we weren't happy with Robinson as our C due to injuries, how can we be okay with KAT and trading Mitch?
We werent happy with Mitch because he is not gojng to be able to play until January, maybe..
If Kat misses games, Preciius can start, he has started and played pretty damn well..
You then would have Hukporti and posaibly Sims..
All you are doing is typing names. You say all the time how much Sims sucks. I like Precious a lot but let's be realistic. He is not a full time C. He looked like a midget next to Embiid. He is great in moments here and there. Imo, he's way more of a 4. We all hope Humporti works out. But if KAT goes down at the end of the season, our whole season is ruined. None of the guys you mentioned are good enough to go up against Philly or Boston. With Mitch, we have a fighting chance with the new additions. This isn't about the regular season. This is about winning a championship and the playoffs.
If Kat is out for the playoffs the Knicks are no longer a contedner whether Mitch is on the team or not...
The key is getting to the playoffs healthy, Precious can handle the center position for spots during the regular season..
Hukporti looks like he can handle 10 minutes a night already..
Sims sucks ass and would be an absolute last resort..
I like Mitch but with KAT on this team his services are not as needed as years past
It was having pretty much entire team getting (or playing) injured that kept us from possibly keeping the Celtics from get to the championship.
Let's see. They played us like fiddles when Julius got hurt.