Assuming NYG addresses QB entering 2025, everyone assumes it will be through the draft. But, there are some young, underachieving expensive QBs who could be available.
The two names that come to me are Kyler Murray and Trevor Lawrence. Murray is someone who has underachieved and is expensive. The same thing goes for Lawrence who was viewed as a can't miss QB prospect.
Both the Cardinals and Jaguars could be looking to get out of these contracts. I'm no expert on the cap, but could something like this work?
I made a thread before the draft about how NYG would address QB going forward if they didn't draft a QB this year. There is no easy answer, but I wouldn't rule anything out. A few names I think could be possible:
-Trevor Lawrence (expensive)
-Kyler Murray (expensive)
-Bryce Young
I really like the idea of buying low on Young. Economically, drafting a QB makes the most sense. But, they very well may be forcing it especially after not drafting QB this year.
It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.
Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.
Going after a vet could look enticing the day after game 17.
As for the OP question, just say no to any expensive contracts that involve significant risk on payoff.
Lawrence's cap hits aren't actually that bad, you just are committed to him for 3 seasons from 2025-2027. He seems like a good scenery change reclaimation candidate.
Murray could also be workable. For 2025, you'd be looking at 45 million plus the 22 million dead cap for Jones. Ironically, Gettleman's failures in 2021 draft means the Giants don't really have any urgent re-signing needs this offseason unless they wanted keep Ojulari, so maybe they could absorb that hit? Aftert 2025, there's an out in Murray's contract.
But like BW said, I don't love Murray, he's got an entirely different set of limitations compared to Jones and his record isn't great.
With how many gaps we have, why on earth would we want to spend a lot of money on an average QB? I am so sick of these conversations. DJ is a bust and overpaid. We are stuck until he is off the team. Then what? You want to sign a journeyman QB for 20mil a year and bounce between QB's for 10 years?
You have to build from the draft and hit on a QB. With the low salary and cap hit, you can build the rest of your team during their rookie contract and continue building depth and getting better. It's really that simple.
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sought after, and for good reason.
It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.
Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.
I'm not sure why, he was on some really shitty teams early in his career, and clearly, with some stability around him, he's showing he's more than a stop gap QB.
Too much risk. I conclude he peaked at Bama.
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Too much talent he showed at college level not to have some value at NFL level. He needs a change of venue.
Too much risk. I conclude he peaked at Bama.
Unlikely imv he can't play well at the NFL level.
And have no idea how ANY change at QB is too risky for this franchise. They are going nowhere without a change, and assume some risks will need to be taken.
All true, but he has had a disastrous situation in Carolina. I'd only consider it for a late pick, so it probably wouldn't happen, but I don't think it's the craziest idea.
Yes, drafting a QB is a risk. But, at least you are re-setting with a cheap and long deal. That is one of the benefits of the young, talented QBs. There is less financial risk if it doesn't work out.
Yes, drafting a QB is a risk. But, at least you are re-setting with a cheap and long deal. That is one of the benefits of the young, talented QBs. There is less financial risk if it doesn't work out.
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sought after, and for good reason.
It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.
Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.
Agreed, I have no interest in Darnold, and even less in Murray. Darnold is playing for one of the best offensive minds in the game, who has shown repeatedly that he knows how to use his QB's strengths. Even then, are defenses catching on to Darnold? He was AWFUL v NYJ last week. Granted, that could be due to trying to hard to show up his former team, but I'll be interested to see how the rest of the season plays out.
Murray has talent, but he's small, is owed a ton of money, and his own team tried to write into his contract requirements that he do his homework. Why would we want to take that on?
Lawrence is the only guy mentioned who I would consider taking a big swing on. He has a ton of talent, is a tough dude, and has a good rep as a hard worker. Something is rotten in Jax, and I suspect it goes deeper than Pederson, so I think he would benefit from a change of scenery. I just don't see Jax giving up on him UNLESS their season continues to go off the rails and they fall in love with one of the college QB's.
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
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But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB.
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
I wouldn't necessarily advocate this move, but I think this makes more sense than Lawrence or Murray. Is Winston as talented as them? Nope. But, he will cost a Hell of a lot less and would not come with the same high expectations placed on him by fans, media, or himself.
Wilson has had a similar path. Like Darnold with Shanahan, he will have spent a year learning from one of the best in Sean Peyton.
Realistically, the best landing spot for Wilson is probably somewhere like Tenneseee and not in NY again.
Lawrence contract is ridiculous....
This times 1000.
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I have my eyes on is Sam Darnold but only if he finishes the season strong.
Why? If he finishes strong he will get a large contract. Why would we assume he can handle NY and take on that risk? Shouldn’t we have learned our lesson on having 1 plus year of production vs several poor years of a track record?
Jones never really had a "plus" year of production of the type Darnold is on pace to post if his play continues. It really is possible that Darnold has finally blossomed after a career spent in abysmal franchises.
I think free agent QBs who haven't lived up to their promise should spend some time at elite or well-coached teams as a backup like Darnold did.
Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?
I simply don’t trust Darnold back in the NY market at the cost it will take to bring him here. If somehow we can get him for a year at $10m than sure.
Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?
I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with an potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.
Thanks so much!
Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?
No problem with a 2nd or 3rd for Young.
This franchise should be on a hard-target search to acquire any young QB that has shown plus skills.
In fact, acquire several and let them all compete for the starting job the old-fashioned way...by earning it.
I like this approach, especially drafting two QBs.
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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.
Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?
I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with a potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.
I think that’s an unrealistic expectation for a 3 year cost controlled QB that has barely a season of experience (within the worst offense in the league) and no major injuries.
Just ask yourself, would you sell him for a day 3 pick if you were the Panthers and if so, why?
I like this approach, especially drafting two QBs.
I think they could draft two AND sign a vet. Don't need any of the current guys back next year.
He is not a long term answer because he comes with the same problem Jones does - he makes really poor decisions. But he can also make enough plays to sometimes offset many of those mistakes.
The only one of the three QBs on this roster who should even be a mild consideration to come to camp next year is DeVito.
Lawrence isn’t getting traded after just signing a long term deal. The only vet that makes sense is Darnold but if he finishes strong and the Vikings win a game or 2 in the playoffs they will def resign him or if they decide to go with JJM, Darnold is going to get a big contract.
The Cardinals have one of the worst defenses in the league and have played one of the hardest schedules.
Murray is on track for 3400/23TD/6INT and 740 rush yards. That's the type of year that got Jones paid, no?
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
Draft a high potential QB between rounds 2 and 5 to develop and let the cards fall where they may.
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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.
Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?
I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with a potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.
I think that’s an unrealistic expectation for a 3 year cost controlled QB that has barely a season of experience (within the worst offense in the league) and no major injuries.
Just ask yourself, would you sell him for a day 3 pick if you were the Panthers and if so, why?
Nobody, but NOBODY is giving anything up of value. Right now, even on a rookie contract, he’s overpaid. If Carolina is drafting their next QB in April (they will), they may decide they don’t want their former top pick around. If they want a day 1 or 2 pick, good luck.
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Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team?
The Cardinals have one of the worst defenses in the league and have played one of the hardest schedules.
Murray is on track for 3400/23TD/6INT and 740 rush yards. That's the type of year that got Jones paid, no?
Jones has never had a year close to that. Don’t tell Jack Stroud, he still thinks Jones is as good as Mahomes.