Assuming NYG addresses QB entering 2025, everyone assumes it will be through the draft. But, there are some young, underachieving expensive QBs who could be available.
The two names that come to me are Kyler Murray and Trevor Lawrence. Murray is someone who has underachieved and is expensive. The same thing goes for Lawrence who was viewed as a can't miss QB prospect.
Both the Cardinals and Jaguars could be looking to get out of these contracts. I'm no expert on the cap, but could something like this work?
I made a thread before the draft about how NYG would address QB going forward if they didn't draft a QB this year. There is no easy answer, but I wouldn't rule anything out. A few names I think could be possible:
-Trevor Lawrence (expensive)
-Kyler Murray (expensive)
-Bryce Young
I really like the idea of buying low on Young. Economically, drafting a QB makes the most sense. But, they very well may be forcing it especially after not drafting QB this year.
it's boarder line impossible with DJ on the books for at least another year.
The others are not good enough and just as much a gamble as drafting a QB.
I’m not sold on Murray, given his size and inconsistency.
Lawrence's career arc is tremendously similar to Jones so he's a hard no for any type of decent cost and Murray isn't the locker room presence I want.
Why? If he finishes strong he will get a large contract. Why would we assume he can handle NY and take on that risk? Shouldn’t we have learned our lesson on having 1 plus year of production vs several poor years of a track record?
Not sure if there is a reasonable path to trading for him but he’s the only one I feel good about the risk/ reward possibility.
I actually think vet is more likely. The perfect comp is Kerry Collins. I think that's the thought process.
There's a really good chance if Darnold holds up, the Vikes just tag him for one year.
There's a really good chance if Darnold holds up, the Vikes just tag him for one year.
Cousins & Stafford could be available and viewed as a 2-3 year solution via trade.
They're taking a QB this year whether it's in Round 1 or 2.
Young is a camp arm until proven otherwise. I know the Panthers aren't on a lot of big TV windows, but I'd suggest people take a look at his "highlights" - the guy looks like a little kid crying to play QB in the NFL. Legit one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in the league.
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Anybody any good is not going to be available. Jacoby Brissett - lol - watch the tape this season with Pats - it's ugly. Joe Flacco at 40?
There's a really good chance if Darnold holds up, the Vikes just tag him for one year.
Cousins & Stafford could be available and viewed as a 2-3 year solution via trade.
We'd have to trade assets (we need in picks) for these guys and absorb massive short term salary hits. Stafford is close to retiring (there's rumors he's already mulling it). Cousins is immobile and knows he needs warm weather/indoor games to play on a fast track.
Let's hit the draft.
The young bucks with huge contracts have been super disappointing, and we're already living there.
it's boarder line impossible with DJ on the books for at least another year.
Lawrence's salary for next year is $2M, Murray is $18M, it would be extremely easy to make those work.
I think this is highly likely. Especially since we seem to have a "win now" roster, outside of QB
It seems teams are moving on from QB's faster today and it will be interesting seeing how many find success elsewhere.
But I’m concerned that if we can’t land a top qb in the draft, we’re going to trot out the likes of Russell Wilson.
I never wrote a post because I concluded instead of taking on Lawerence's contract that gets more and more expensive as the decade moves on, the Giants could just cut Jones after this season for way less of a commitment.
It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.
Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.
Going after a vet could look enticing the day after game 17.
As for the OP question, just say no to any expensive contracts that involve significant risk on payoff.
Lawrence's cap hits aren't actually that bad, you just are committed to him for 3 seasons from 2025-2027. He seems like a good scenery change reclaimation candidate.
Murray could also be workable. For 2025, you'd be looking at 45 million plus the 22 million dead cap for Jones. Ironically, Gettleman's failures in 2021 draft means the Giants don't really have any urgent re-signing needs this offseason unless they wanted keep Ojulari, so maybe they could absorb that hit? Aftert 2025, there's an out in Murray's contract.
But like BW said, I don't love Murray, he's got an entirely different set of limitations compared to Jones and his record isn't great.
With how many gaps we have, why on earth would we want to spend a lot of money on an average QB? I am so sick of these conversations. DJ is a bust and overpaid. We are stuck until he is off the team. Then what? You want to sign a journeyman QB for 20mil a year and bounce between QB's for 10 years?
You have to build from the draft and hit on a QB. With the low salary and cap hit, you can build the rest of your team during their rookie contract and continue building depth and getting better. It's really that simple.
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sought after, and for good reason.
It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.
Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.
I'm not sure why, he was on some really shitty teams early in his career, and clearly, with some stability around him, he's showing he's more than a stop gap QB.
Too much risk. I conclude he peaked at Bama.
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Too much talent he showed at college level not to have some value at NFL level. He needs a change of venue.
Too much risk. I conclude he peaked at Bama.
Unlikely imv he can't play well at the NFL level.
And have no idea how ANY change at QB is too risky for this franchise. They are going nowhere without a change, and assume some risks will need to be taken.
All true, but he has had a disastrous situation in Carolina. I'd only consider it for a late pick, so it probably wouldn't happen, but I don't think it's the craziest idea.
Yes, drafting a QB is a risk. But, at least you are re-setting with a cheap and long deal. That is one of the benefits of the young, talented QBs. There is less financial risk if it doesn't work out.
Yes, drafting a QB is a risk. But, at least you are re-setting with a cheap and long deal. That is one of the benefits of the young, talented QBs. There is less financial risk if it doesn't work out.
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sought after, and for good reason.
It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.
Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.
Agreed, I have no interest in Darnold, and even less in Murray. Darnold is playing for one of the best offensive minds in the game, who has shown repeatedly that he knows how to use his QB's strengths. Even then, are defenses catching on to Darnold? He was AWFUL v NYJ last week. Granted, that could be due to trying to hard to show up his former team, but I'll be interested to see how the rest of the season plays out.
Murray has talent, but he's small, is owed a ton of money, and his own team tried to write into his contract requirements that he do his homework. Why would we want to take that on?
Lawrence is the only guy mentioned who I would consider taking a big swing on. He has a ton of talent, is a tough dude, and has a good rep as a hard worker. Something is rotten in Jax, and I suspect it goes deeper than Pederson, so I think he would benefit from a change of scenery. I just don't see Jax giving up on him UNLESS their season continues to go off the rails and they fall in love with one of the college QB's.
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
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But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB.
If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.
He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
I wouldn't necessarily advocate this move, but I think this makes more sense than Lawrence or Murray. Is Winston as talented as them? Nope. But, he will cost a Hell of a lot less and would not come with the same high expectations placed on him by fans, media, or himself.
Wilson has had a similar path. Like Darnold with Shanahan, he will have spent a year learning from one of the best in Sean Peyton.
Realistically, the best landing spot for Wilson is probably somewhere like Tenneseee and not in NY again.