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Are there any young, expensive QBs you'd be interested in?

Sean : 9:37 am
Assuming NYG addresses QB entering 2025, everyone assumes it will be through the draft. But, there are some young, underachieving expensive QBs who could be available.

The two names that come to me are Kyler Murray and Trevor Lawrence. Murray is someone who has underachieved and is expensive. The same thing goes for Lawrence who was viewed as a can't miss QB prospect.

Both the Cardinals and Jaguars could be looking to get out of these contracts. I'm no expert on the cap, but could something like this work?

I made a thread before the draft about how NYG would address QB going forward if they didn't draft a QB this year. There is no easy answer, but I wouldn't rule anything out. A few names I think could be possible:

-Trevor Lawrence (expensive)
-Kyler Murray (expensive)
-Bryce Young

I really like the idea of buying low on Young. Economically, drafting a QB makes the most sense. But, they very well may be forcing it especially after not drafting QB this year.
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Draft a QB please  
Rick in Dallas : 12:46 pm : link
Dont trust Darnold at all.
Lawrence contract is ridiculous....
No  
The Mike : 1:12 pm : link
The team needs to rebuild around a young quarterback. The model is Houston, SF and Washington. So draft two quarterbacks in April - the elite guy on day one and a development guy on day three. And sign a solid backup who can win games in the NFL, but at minimal cost. Guys like Winston, Wentz, Keenum, Flacco, etc who will be free agents in 2025 can win games and cost no more than two percent of the cap. Their primary role is to mentor the two young guys and win some games if necessary.
RE: No  
ajr2456 : 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16651223 The Mike said:
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The team needs to rebuild around a young quarterback. The model is Houston, SF and Washington. So draft two quarterbacks in April - the elite guy on day one and a development guy on day three. And sign a solid backup who can win games in the NFL, but at minimal cost. Guys like Winston, Wentz, Keenum, Flacco, etc who will be free agents in 2025 can win games and cost no more than two percent of the cap. Their primary role is to mentor the two young guys and win some games if necessary.


This times 1000.
RE: RE: The one veteran QB  
santacruzom : 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16650976 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 16650964 Jay on the Island said:


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I have my eyes on is Sam Darnold but only if he finishes the season strong.



Why? If he finishes strong he will get a large contract. Why would we assume he can handle NY and take on that risk? Shouldn’t we have learned our lesson on having 1 plus year of production vs several poor years of a track record?


Jones never really had a "plus" year of production of the type Darnold is on pace to post if his play continues. It really is possible that Darnold has finally blossomed after a career spent in abysmal franchises.

I think free agent QBs who haven't lived up to their promise should spend some time at elite or well-coached teams as a backup like Darnold did.
For those that want Young  
UConn4523 : 1:24 pm : link
what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.

Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?
Santa  
UConn4523 : 1:29 pm : link
isnt that worse then? If Jones’ not plus year in 2022 netted him $160m then why would a better Darnold year not net him a big contract and wild expectations?

I simply don’t trust Darnold back in the NY market at the cost it will take to bring him here. If somehow we can get him for a year at $10m than sure.
Young admitted  
Mattman : 1:31 pm : link
He took it easy this last offseason watching YouTube and playing video games rather than work on his craft. No thanks
RE: For those that want Young  
Section331 : 1:39 pm : link
In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said:
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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.

Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?


I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with an potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.
Yes  
David B. : 1:40 pm : link
Get me Mahommes or Burrow.

Thanks so much!
If I Were Darnold  
varco : 1:49 pm : link
No way would I sign with a NY team. After the press ran him out of here, I would take a hard pass if I were in his position and would take great pleasure in beating NY teams in the future.
At their  
darren in pdx : 1:50 pm : link
current prices? No way. They are already overpaying a mediocre (at his best) QB. I wouldn't mind trying a reclamation project for cheap, Lawrence might be the next Darnold or Baker needing a change of scenery and better coaching, but I get Jones vibes from him.
RE: For those that want Young  
ThomasG : 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said:
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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.

Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?


No problem with a 2nd or 3rd for Young.

This franchise should be on a hard-target search to acquire any young QB that has shown plus skills.

In fact, acquire several and let them all compete for the starting job the old-fashioned way...by earning it.
RE: No  
bw in dc : 1:58 pm : link
In comment 16651223 The Mike said:
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The team needs to rebuild around a young quarterback. The model is Houston, SF and Washington. So draft two quarterbacks in April - the elite guy on day one and a development guy on day three. And sign a solid backup who can win games in the NFL, but at minimal cost. Guys like Winston, Wentz, Keenum, Flacco, etc who will be free agents in 2025 can win games and cost no more than two percent of the cap. Their primary role is to mentor the two young guys and win some games if necessary.


I like this approach, especially drafting two QBs.
RE: RE: For those that want Young  
UConn4523 : 1:58 pm : link
In comment 16651250 Section331 said:
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In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said:


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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.

Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?



I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with a potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.


I think that’s an unrealistic expectation for a 3 year cost controlled QB that has barely a season of experience (within the worst offense in the league) and no major injuries.

Just ask yourself, would you sell him for a day 3 pick if you were the Panthers and if so, why?
RE: RE: No  
Go Terps : 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16651274 bw in dc said:
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I like this approach, especially drafting two QBs.


I think they could draft two AND sign a vet. Don't need any of the current guys back next year.
Admittedly  
DanMetroMan : 2:08 pm : link
I don't really watch the Jags, why do you think Lawrence has been so disappointing? He seemed like a true "can't miss" superstar QB. The next Peyton, or at least a "Luck". Seems like usually the extremely high pick QB's who bust usually have some significant red flags.
I do like the idea of adding someone like Winston  
but only if he is holding the job for a rookie. He can throw the ball down the field, and we all know that throwing a pick will not make him gun shy.

He is not a long term answer because he comes with the same problem Jones does - he makes really poor decisions. But he can also make enough plays to sometimes offset many of those mistakes.

The only one of the three QBs on this roster who should even be a mild consideration to come to camp next year is DeVito.
Just go draft a QB.  
DeVito32 : 5:14 pm : link
Get him on a rookie contract and build around him to help him succeed right out of the gate. Get him another quality WR and TE. Move Neal to G or sign another vet in their prime and get a better swing tackle. Have everything around him in place.

Lawrence isn’t getting traded after just signing a long term deal. The only vet that makes sense is Darnold but if he finishes strong and the Vikings win a game or 2 in the playoffs they will def resign him or if they decide to go with JJM, Darnold is going to get a big contract.
RE: Sam Darnold is going to be  
Jack Stroud : 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16651038 barens said:
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sought after, and for good reason.
what is that reason?
RE: Veteran QB's  
Jack Stroud : 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16651013 varco said:
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Murray would be intriguing. Sort of reminds me of Fran Tarkenton...keeping you in the game, making things exciting. Think he has an "it" factor. In that respect, we made a blunder not picking up Baker Mayfield a few years ago -- another guy with "it", though mistake prone (which could be coached out). Other names I would explore would be backups on teams with a young, expensive starter. Cooper Rush? Browning in Cincy? This should not preclude us from drafting a QB and letting them grow into the job. I would shy away from the Flacco's, Dalton's and the like. They have had their time. While arm strength and mobility are right up there, I value "smarts" and a "feel" for what the defences are doing as top attributes, as well.
Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team?
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christian : 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16651464 Jack Stroud said:
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Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team?

The Cardinals have one of the worst defenses in the league and have played one of the hardest schedules.

Murray is on track for 3400/23TD/6INT and 740 rush yards. That's the type of year that got Jones paid, no?
So we can draft the elite guy and his back up in April  
joe48 : 6:37 pm : link
Sounds like a plan. The problem is there are only so many elites and their are quite a few other teams with similar needs.
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The Giants need to start taking shots @ the position. The organization seems WAY too gun shy about taking a QB. Yeah, we might take someone & they don't pan out...that's alright. It happens. Just recognize it & cut bait instead of doubling & tripling down. This is why I think we're in year six of this QB we got. As GT says, the Giants need to be 'full bloom in love' to take a QB. What a ridiculous mindset.
RE: I'd rather go the draft route  
JoeSchoens11 : 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16651120 Go Terps said:
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But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB.

If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.

He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.
I agree. He’s not young but Jameis is a lightly used pocket passer who should have a few healthy years on the cheap with some real upside with our WRs/coach.

Draft a high potential QB between rounds 2 and 5 to develop and let the cards fall where they may.
RE: RE: RE: For those that want Young  
Section331 : 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16651275 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said:


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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.

Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?



I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with a potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.



I think that’s an unrealistic expectation for a 3 year cost controlled QB that has barely a season of experience (within the worst offense in the league) and no major injuries.

Just ask yourself, would you sell him for a day 3 pick if you were the Panthers and if so, why?


Nobody, but NOBODY is giving anything up of value. Right now, even on a rookie contract, he’s overpaid. If Carolina is drafting their next QB in April (they will), they may decide they don’t want their former top pick around. If they want a day 1 or 2 pick, good luck.
RE: ...  
Section331 : 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16651478 christian said:
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In comment 16651464 Jack Stroud said:


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Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team?


The Cardinals have one of the worst defenses in the league and have played one of the hardest schedules.

Murray is on track for 3400/23TD/6INT and 740 rush yards. That's the type of year that got Jones paid, no?


Jones has never had a year close to that. Don’t tell Jack Stroud, he still thinks Jones is as good as Mahomes.
Ummmm, all of them?  
56goat : 7:26 pm : link
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The problem is  
Gman11 : 8:02 pm : link
You've got a $20M cap hit from releasing Jones. Then you have to pay big bucks for an underachieving QB. I would rather take my chances with a rookie.
they ain't touching Jameis  
BigBlueCane : 9:57 pm : link
for good reasons.

Derek Carr though... if there is a head coach change in New Orleans....
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