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If the Giants are 4-4 heading into the Washington game

Eightshamrocks : 10/18/2024 2:16 pm
Will people on here jump back on the bandwagon, or will this place still be crickets? That is the question. I find this site incredibly depressing. I get being down on Jones and the team if they are losing. But if they can win the next two weeks they get to .500, and then they are facing Jayden Daniels at home. If people ARE still negative all the time at that point, then I just think that is really unfortunate. I mean truly. This is not a strong division. It is right there for the taking and the Giants have the best defense in the division. Worry about the QB position after the season. Just win baby. If more people on here had that philosophy, I'm telling you that you would feel much better.
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Girl, get over him already  
Route 9 : 10/18/2024 2:20 pm : link
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Lol  
robbieballs2003 : 10/18/2024 2:21 pm : link
Might want to check your priorities in life.
RE: Girl, get over him already  
Eightshamrocks : 10/18/2024 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16651291 Route 9 said:
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I guess that's a no. I chose to not be miserable and focus on the fact the Giants have an excellent defense and a #1 receiver for the 1st time in forever. But go ahead.
Let's draw a line on the sand  
Eightshamrocks : 10/18/2024 2:26 pm : link
Put all the chips in the center of the table. This team will be 6-4 after the Panthers game. That's right, I said it.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2024 2:28 pm : link
The act is old.
I’ll Venmo you $20  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2024 2:28 pm : link
if we are 4-4 after week 8 and another $20 if we have 5 wins at the bye.
This shit every day  
logman : 10/18/2024 2:29 pm : link
but god forbid someone try to resurrect Epic Thread
I want to win every game  
Biteymax22 : 10/18/2024 2:29 pm : link
And I don't think us winning some upcoming games is off the table, but no I'm not changing my mind about certain elements of this team, specifically the QB. At this point in time we know what Jones is and its not a consistent winning quarterback.
No  
rsjem1979 : 10/18/2024 2:29 pm : link
For one thing, I'd be stunned if they won the next two games.

And for another, I don't think that result would change the outlook for this season or the franchise in general.

I'm not getting on a rickety-wheeled bandwagon to try and feel better, the Giants don't affect my mood about anything other than the Giants - and right now the Giants are a bottom tier NFL franchise.

But I'm sure that no matter what happens, you'll find fault everywhere but one position on the field.
RE: I’ll Venmo you $20  
Route 9 : 10/18/2024 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16651297 UConn4523 said:
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if we are 4-4 after week 8 and another $20 if we have 5 wins at the bye.


What is the prize if Jones throws a touchdown at home?
RE: RE: Girl, get over him already  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2024 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16651293 Eightshamrocks said:
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In comment 16651291 Route 9 said:


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I guess that's a no. I chose to not be miserable and focus on the fact the Giants have an excellent defense and a #1 receiver for the 1st time in forever. But go ahead.

Imagine the cognitive dissonance required to simultaneously support DJ with full-throated enthusiasm, and then try to claim "I chose [sic] to not be miserable."

Sweetie, I hate to break it to you, but you're absolutely choosing to be miserable.
This is a bit, right?  
Mad Mike : 10/18/2024 2:32 pm : link
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May want to close the valve  
Scooter185 : 10/18/2024 2:32 pm : link
On that hopium bottle a bit, too much at once can damage your brain
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Go Terps : 10/18/2024 2:33 pm : link
Victory laps are in such short supply that people have to take them in advance.
RE: This is a bit, right?  
Eightshamrocks : 10/18/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16651307 Mad Mike said:
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Were you one of the people saying the Giants had no chance in Seattle? Just wondering
Ask me Sunday at 4pm  
JohnB : 10/18/2024 2:35 pm : link
You can only win them one at a time
RE: RE: This is a bit, right?  
Mad Mike : 10/18/2024 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16651314 Eightshamrocks said:
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Were you one of the people saying the Giants had no chance in Seattle? Just wondering

LOL, I needn't have asked, but I guess I appreciate the answer.
I think if the Giants have a somewhat realistic shot of being  
Essex : 10/18/2024 2:39 pm : link
competitive in this season all will be engaged and happy. After all, isn't that the point of this whole thing to watch meaningful games and the enjoyment you get from that. I can't expect a world title every year, but I do hope for competency because my week is so much (and I mean so much) better when I get to look forward to watching competitive Giants games on the weekend.
You seem to have a misunderstanding about the words  
Mike from Ohio : 10/18/2024 2:41 pm : link
negative and positive. Expecting the Giants to lose is not negative, it is realistic. Expecting this team to win the division is not positive, it is delusional.

You can keep referring to yourself as some sort of positive, upbeat guy surrounded by a bunch of grumpy Debbie Downers, but all you are doing is showing everyone that you don't understand what you are seeing because you see with your heart, not your head.
RE: This is a bit, right?  
Mike from SI : 10/18/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16651307 Mad Mike said:
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I hope it's a bit. The alternative is much sadder.
 
christian : 10/18/2024 2:49 pm : link
I say this with sincerity -- the people in this community who tend to get the least out of it and ultimately get frustrated and leave are those who aren't interested in debating and learning more about football and the Giants. But rather are interested in controlling more esoteric qualities in others like positivity, negativity, etc.

No matter the outcome, there will be a mix of fans who are positive, negative, and somewhere else on the spectrum of feelings.

Maybe a good question to ask, does it matter how people feel? Does that amswer preclude meaningful debate about football?
time to pull out an old Grandma expression  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2024 2:54 pm : link
"If 'ifs' and 'buts' were fruit and nuts, then every day would be Christmas"
Depends if Jones can pass for TDs at home?!  
Simms11 : 10/18/2024 2:55 pm : link
He doesn’t have one passing TD at home this year!
Yaah!...let's win a weak division and make the playoffs to feel better  
ThomasG : 10/18/2024 2:56 pm : link
about ourselves. Only to get trounced once we get there because we don't score touchdowns.

And then we can top things off and run it back again with Daniel Jones by giving him another 4 year $160M deal.

The icing on the cake will be Eric on li giving this deal another A-grade because there were no other better QB options.

RE: Depends if Jones can pass for TDs at home?!  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16651332 Simms11 said:
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He doesn’t have one passing TD at home this year!

Or last year.

At least not to a Giant. He's got a few TD passes to the other team.
We dub thee  
JonC : 10/18/2024 3:12 pm : link
Captain Sugar High
If you are so down on this site and the people on it  
LW_Giants : 10/18/2024 3:13 pm : link
why do you keep coming back and posting the same shit?
If I were Joe Scheon  
Skully88 : 10/18/2024 3:14 pm : link
I'd be selling high right now on Azeez, Slayton and anything beyond the untouchables. Try to get anything at all for anyone who isn't going to be here next season and let the kids play.
You will not find many here  
jvm52106 : 10/18/2024 3:16 pm : link
who will look beyond the Jones part but here is where I am at (have been since training camp):

1) No matter what we are moving off Jones after this season. I truly believe that.
2) I am still eager for this team to win games and compete for and in the playoffs.
3) I don't see Jones as the reason we would be 4-4 but even if is the QB for us at 4-4 I still expect that he will not be able to play well and win consistently- period.

I want the Giants to move off the Jones is QB stance as it is so over and done here...
RE: You will not find many here  
Mike from SI : 10/18/2024 3:19 pm : link
In comment 16651353 jvm52106 said:
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who will look beyond the Jones part but here is where I am at (have been since training camp):

1) No matter what we are moving off Jones after this season. I truly believe that.
2) I am still eager for this team to win games and compete for and in the playoffs.
3) I don't see Jones as the reason we would be 4-4 but even if is the QB for us at 4-4 I still expect that he will not be able to play well and win consistently- period.

I want the Giants to move off the Jones is QB stance as it is so over and done here...


I agree with you. The only way we don't move on from Jones is if he magically transforms into the good and consistent QB that he's never been; not gonna happen.
Jvm  
Go Terps : 10/18/2024 3:19 pm : link
#1 and #2 may clash. If the Giants are in the mix for a playoff position in December with Jones at QB (which is entirely possible) I think it's a guarantee that Jones is back in 2025.

The bar is set at "relevant games in December".

Root for losses, man. Huge losses.
Huge  
Toth029 : 10/18/2024 3:24 pm : link
Losses would want me to fire the coacing staff including Bowen. And I feel like Bowen is doing a pretty darn good job.
As I have now said on here this year 1000 times I have become very  
Blue21 : 10/18/2024 4:16 pm : link
Passive towards this team. I love the Giants but expect nothing. 6-4 seriously? We ll be lucky if they are 4-6. I have no expectations for this team. They have totally lost my enthusiasm.
RE: You will not find many here  
rsjem1979 : 10/18/2024 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16651353 jvm52106 said:
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who will look beyond the Jones part but here is where I am at (have been since training camp):

1) No matter what we are moving off Jones after this season. I truly believe that.
2) I am still eager for this team to win games and compete for and in the playoffs.
3) I don't see Jones as the reason we would be 4-4 but even if is the QB for us at 4-4 I still expect that he will not be able to play well and win consistently- period.

I want the Giants to move off the Jones is QB stance as it is so over and done here...


If you guaranteed #1, I'd feel a lot better, but I don't agree at all. If the Giants go into Philly in the last week of the season with any chance of making the playoffs, win or lose Jones is going to be back in 2025.

I'd be my next mortgage payment on it. The same "good times around the bend" vibe that shows up every time the Giants win a game around here is present in the owner's box at MetLife.

Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am I would gladly give you my next mortgage payment right now for the certainty of scenario #1 playing out, but I don't see it.
I don't want to root for losses  
arniefez : 10/18/2024 4:23 pm : link
I think the Giants have the foundation of a competitive roster and the constant losing ruins players. But if winning 7 or 8 games means another year of Daniel Jones that changes things. If losing 12 or 13 games is the only way the Mara's will agree to move on from him then lose them all. Lose them all by 30 points.

I'd rather watch the Giants start over with a new coaching staff than keep this staff with Daniel Jones at QB.

Daniel Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the NFL. No other team in the NFL would play him as their #1 QB with his current contract. With the exception of Watson in Cleveland no fan base would want their team to trade their starting QB for Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: This is a bit, right?  
Kent Graham : 10/18/2024 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16651314 Eightshamrocks said:
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Were you one of the people saying the Giants had no chance in Seattle? Just wondering


You were one of the people saying we would beat Seattle. Where will you be when we are 2-6?
Cincinatti, not Seattle  
Kent Graham : 10/18/2024 4:40 pm : link
There really needs to be an edit function....
This is my bandwagon...  
Brown_Hornet : 10/18/2024 5:11 pm : link
... I'm not jumping off.

That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.

Some people do choose to be miserable.
I'm afraid  
santacruzom : 10/18/2024 5:31 pm : link
you won't have an opportunity to see the answer to your questions.
If a frog had wings...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 10/18/2024 5:38 pm : link
...it wouldn't bump its ass when it hopped.
Uh, you DO know Andrew Thomas is out for the year  
JohnF : 10/18/2024 5:39 pm : link
Right?

The Giants are likely to start Ezeudu at either LT or RT. If that is the case, Daniel Jones chances of being on the injured list just shot up dramatically.

Sure, Lock may be lightning in a bottle for a bit, but even if by a miracle the Giants win the division, they will get an even worst beating in the playoffs than the one Philly gave us in 2022.

Reality is going to hit when the Eagles come to the Meadowlands at 1pm this Sunday. Yes, the Eagles aren't a good team, but the likelyhood is that Mr. "I can't score a TD at home even with Andrew Thomas protecting my blind side" is going to take a horrific beating.
score = throw  
JohnF : 10/18/2024 5:40 pm : link
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Dude might be  
Gman11 : 10/18/2024 5:48 pm : link
delusional, but he got what he wanted. Attention.
The problem with the hypothetical...  
bw in dc : 10/18/2024 5:57 pm : link
is that the Steeler game is on MNF. A prime-time game on the road.

And since we know how putrid Jones is in those games, it makes the premise of the OP laughable.
RE: This is my bandwagon...  
Go Terps : 10/18/2024 6:12 pm : link
In comment 16651414 Brown_Hornet said:
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... I'm not jumping off.

That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.

Some people do choose to be miserable.


Cool.

Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
Possible or  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/18/2024 6:24 pm : link
they could go 0-2. If Jones doesn't look good then a decent chance another QB is starting against WFT.

If Ezedu plays decently I think they'll beat the Eagles as well!  
Walker Gillette : 10/18/2024 6:39 pm : link
And there's nothing wrong with that. The Eagles aren't anything special and the Giants match up fairly well with them.
RE: RE: This is a bit, right?  
56goat : 10/18/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16651314 Eightshamrocks said:
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In comment 16651307 Mad Mike said:


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Were you one of the people saying the Giants had no chance in Seattle? Just wondering


Shamrocks you're the embodiment of the broken clock - right at least twice a day. You've picked the Giants to win every game so of course you'll crow loudly about being right occasionally. Since the Giants are 2-4 and so are you, you're as good a prognosticator as the Giants are a football team. The last thing this team needs is a couple of fluky 2022 wins to mask the true issues and John Mara embarrassing himself by loudly proclaiming "We're back" again.
RE: RE: This is my bandwagon...  
Johnny5 : 10/18/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16651453 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16651414 Brown_Hornet said:


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... I'm not jumping off.

That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.

Some people do choose to be miserable.



Cool.

Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.

You, are a fucking asshole. And quite a few others here behind you. Have a nice night.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion  
GiantTuff1 : 10/18/2024 8:35 pm : link
But if you want to ensure the Giants control their destiny at QB losses are the way to go.

I would give back all three Devito wins last year and the warm and fuzzies of that story for Jayden Daniels. Who here would disagree?

If we didn’t win those games last year we would have Daniels and be 5-1 / 4-2 like Washington and super excited about the next 15 years and what we can accomplish. You know what’s keeping most of us miserable right now or taking uppers like Shamrock? Those three fucking games last year.
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