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When Jones Plays Well, What Is It?

christian : 10/18/2024 9:46 pm
Better game planning, fewer nerves, fewer mistakes by teammates? What do you think the secret is?
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RE: He seems like he thinks less  
Scooter185 : 10/19/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16651972 Biteymax22 said:
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When he plays well, he’s much more reactionary than his poor games where he seems to sit and think in the pocket.

For a physically tough kid, he isn’t very mentally tough, you can rattle him pretty easily and if he gets knocked out of rhythm early on, its very rare he gets back into it.


As has been said often he's very mechanical.

I can relate, as when I was doing CrossFit my Olympic lifts were very mechanical. I had to think about every step of the lift, which slowed me down. I couldn't develop the feel and muscle memory.

Moving to powerlifting, my lifts are much more natural and the muscle memory is there, I don't have to think "okay I need the bar here, my elbows here" so on
RE: Love all the bad defense responses,  
Matt M. : 10/19/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16652069 barens said:
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isn't that what all QB's do to bad defenses?
Most do. It's not the fact that he did well against bad defenses. It's that he ONLY does well against bad defenses. A good QB, a top 10 QB (which is how he was paid when the contract was signed) plays well more often than not, regardless of the defense and wins more often than not.
RE: RE: Love all the bad defense responses,  
ThomasG : 10/19/2024 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16652078 Matt M. said:
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In comment 16652069 barens said:


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isn't that what all QB's do to bad defenses?

Most do. It's not the fact that he did well against bad defenses. It's that he ONLY does well against bad defenses.


Exactly.

And more often than not, he doesn't even do well against bad defenses. We witnessed that just the other night versus Cincy.

 
christian : 10/19/2024 2:11 pm : link
Yeah, I don't think bad defense is the key.
RE: …  
ThomasG : 10/19/2024 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16652117 christian said:
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Yeah, I don't think bad defense is the key.


Actually, it's his only hope.
RE: RE: 41 TD’s and 14 INT  
MotownGIANTS : 10/19/2024 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16651920 56goat said:
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In comment 16651908 Amc825 said:


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When playing on the road. He hates playing at home.



And yet the win loss record is virtually identical (losing record in both cases, 12-21 & 12-20-1). So what do we make of this? He sucks equally at home and on the road.


Was the losses offensive, defensive, coaching blunders or a gumbo of failures?
 
christian : 10/19/2024 4:11 pm : link
It seems the overlap is bad defensive opponent, on the road, not in primetime, when the run game is performing well.
RE: RE: RE: 41 TD’s and 14 INT  
56goat : 10/19/2024 8:03 pm : link
In comment 16652162 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 16651920 56goat said:


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In comment 16651908 Amc825 said:


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When playing on the road. He hates playing at home.



And yet the win loss record is virtually identical (losing record in both cases, 12-21 & 12-20-1). So what do we make of this? He sucks equally at home and on the road.



Was the losses offensive, defensive, coaching blunders or a gumbo of failures?


With apologies to Dr Suess

DJ doesn't win games here or there
DJ does not win games anywhere
I think it's largely about the running game.  
jogo1 : 10/19/2024 9:25 pm : link
If the running game (including Jones scrambles) gets going, he's often able to put together a respectable game. Competent defenses that can take that away and make Jones beat them through the air make him look silly.
Here is the issue  
Eightshamrocks : 10/20/2024 9:37 am : link
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
Mike et al are right  
JonC : 10/20/2024 9:39 am : link
Jones is a mediocre, flawed NFL QB. NFL defenses proved it four seasons ago.
RE: Here is the issue  
christian : 10/20/2024 9:42 am : link
In comment 16652753 Eightshamrocks said:
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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.

This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
RE: RE: Here is the issue  
Eightshamrocks : 10/20/2024 9:47 am : link
In comment 16652759 christian said:
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In comment 16652753 Eightshamrocks said:


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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.


This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
How so?
RE: RE: RE: Here is the issue  
ThomasG : 10/20/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16652766 Eightshamrocks said:
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In comment 16652759 christian said:


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In comment 16652753 Eightshamrocks said:


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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.


This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.

How so?



Mostly because of your last 3 words.
 
christian : 10/20/2024 9:58 am : link
The spread offense, especially the application in the NFL has been primarily to simplify the decision making for the QB.

Daniel Jones would spontaneously combust if he had to run the Gilbride offense Manning ran.
RE: He seems like he thinks less  
Brown_Hornet : 10/20/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16651972 Biteymax22 said:
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When he plays well, he’s much more reactionary than his poor games where he seems to sit and think in the pocket.

For a physically tough kid, he isn’t very mentally tough, you can rattle him pretty easily and if he gets knocked out of rhythm early on, its very rare he gets back into it.
Yep.

Likely, he's much better when he sees the fronts and coverages that he prepared for.
When he gets looks other than the one's he saw on tape, he's thinking instead of simply reacting. It could be something as simple as leverage. If he thinks his 1st read is taken away he's doesn't seem quick to pivot another 1st read so he checks down or looks to run.
I also think that if he thinks that he's going to get pressure, he is quick to throw a hot read, which may not be there if the WR doesn't get the same presnap read.
RE: Here is the issue  
Mike from SI : 10/20/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16652753 Eightshamrocks said:
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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.


Almost everything stated in this post is wrong. You may want to take some time to learn about the NFL, the QB position, etc.
RE: …  
Eightshamrocks : 10/20/2024 11:41 am : link
In comment 16652773 christian said:
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The spread offense, especially the application in the NFL has been primarily to simplify the decision making for the QB.

Daniel Jones would spontaneously combust if he had to run the Gilbride offense Manning ran.
But the Gilbide scheme was not the norm in the NFL. That was the run and shoot with multiple route options by the receivers.
RE: RE: Here is the issue  
Eightshamrocks : 10/20/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16652801 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16652753 Eightshamrocks said:


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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.



Almost everything stated in this post is wrong. You may want to take some time to learn about the NFL, the QB position, etc.
Explain how. You don't understand the cobcept that more recivers=more route trees= more coverages=more reads for the QB?
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christian : 10/20/2024 11:49 am : link
In comment 16652838 Eightshamrocks said:
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The spread offense, especially the application in the NFL has been primarily to simplify the decision making for the QB.

Daniel Jones would spontaneously combust if he had to run the Gilbride offense Manning ran.

But the Gilbide scheme was not the norm in the NFL. That was the run and shoot with multiple route options by the receivers.

Yes, that is an example of a difficult offense. The spread concepts most NFL teams use, and the elements Daboll specifically uses are not.
It's  
WhoCares : 10/20/2024 12:59 pm : link
The running game. When the giants can run, it makes the giants less predictable and allows the giants to become a little more creative. Otherwise, the opposing team can stay in the 2 deep shell and force the giants to dink and dunk.
RE: RE: …  
islander1 : 10/20/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16651943 Route 9 said:
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In comment 16651919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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The law of average. Any QB can have a good game here and there.



So he is a ... back up QB?


Always was.
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