When he plays well, he’s much more reactionary than his poor games where he seems to sit and think in the pocket.
For a physically tough kid, he isn’t very mentally tough, you can rattle him pretty easily and if he gets knocked out of rhythm early on, its very rare he gets back into it.
As has been said often he's very mechanical.
I can relate, as when I was doing CrossFit my Olympic lifts were very mechanical. I had to think about every step of the lift, which slowed me down. I couldn't develop the feel and muscle memory.
Moving to powerlifting, my lifts are much more natural and the muscle memory is there, I don't have to think "okay I need the bar here, my elbows here" so on
Most do. It's not the fact that he did well against bad defenses. It's that he ONLY does well against bad defenses. A good QB, a top 10 QB (which is how he was paid when the contract was signed) plays well more often than not, regardless of the defense and wins more often than not.
When playing on the road. He hates playing at home.
And yet the win loss record is virtually identical (losing record in both cases, 12-21 & 12-20-1). So what do we make of this? He sucks equally at home and on the road.
Was the losses offensive, defensive, coaching blunders or a gumbo of failures?
When playing on the road. He hates playing at home.
And yet the win loss record is virtually identical (losing record in both cases, 12-21 & 12-20-1). So what do we make of this? He sucks equally at home and on the road.
Was the losses offensive, defensive, coaching blunders or a gumbo of failures?
With apologies to Dr Suess
DJ doesn't win games here or there
DJ does not win games anywhere
If the running game (including Jones scrambles) gets going, he's often able to put together a respectable game. Competent defenses that can take that away and make Jones beat them through the air make him look silly.
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
When he plays well, he’s much more reactionary than his poor games where he seems to sit and think in the pocket.
For a physically tough kid, he isn’t very mentally tough, you can rattle him pretty easily and if he gets knocked out of rhythm early on, its very rare he gets back into it.
Yep.
Likely, he's much better when he sees the fronts and coverages that he prepared for.
When he gets looks other than the one's he saw on tape, he's thinking instead of simply reacting. It could be something as simple as leverage. If he thinks his 1st read is taken away he's doesn't seem quick to pivot another 1st read so he checks down or looks to run.
I also think that if he thinks that he's going to get pressure, he is quick to throw a hot read, which may not be there if the WR doesn't get the same presnap read.
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
Almost everything stated in this post is wrong. You may want to take some time to learn about the NFL, the QB position, etc.
I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
Almost everything stated in this post is wrong. You may want to take some time to learn about the NFL, the QB position, etc.
Explain how. You don't understand the cobcept that more recivers=more route trees= more coverages=more reads for the QB?
The running game. When the giants can run, it makes the giants less predictable and allows the giants to become a little more creative. Otherwise, the opposing team can stay in the 2 deep shell and force the giants to dink and dunk.
For a physically tough kid, he isn’t very mentally tough, you can rattle him pretty easily and if he gets knocked out of rhythm early on, its very rare he gets back into it.
As has been said often he's very mechanical.
I can relate, as when I was doing CrossFit my Olympic lifts were very mechanical. I had to think about every step of the lift, which slowed me down. I couldn't develop the feel and muscle memory.
Moving to powerlifting, my lifts are much more natural and the muscle memory is there, I don't have to think "okay I need the bar here, my elbows here" so on
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isn't that what all QB's do to bad defenses?
Most do. It's not the fact that he did well against bad defenses. It's that he ONLY does well against bad defenses.
Exactly.
And more often than not, he doesn't even do well against bad defenses. We witnessed that just the other night versus Cincy.
Actually, it's his only hope.
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When playing on the road. He hates playing at home.
And yet the win loss record is virtually identical (losing record in both cases, 12-21 & 12-20-1). So what do we make of this? He sucks equally at home and on the road.
Was the losses offensive, defensive, coaching blunders or a gumbo of failures?
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When playing on the road. He hates playing at home.
And yet the win loss record is virtually identical (losing record in both cases, 12-21 & 12-20-1). So what do we make of this? He sucks equally at home and on the road.
Was the losses offensive, defensive, coaching blunders or a gumbo of failures?
With apologies to Dr Suess
DJ doesn't win games here or there
DJ does not win games anywhere
This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
This must the most fundamentally inaccurate post in the history of this site.
How so?
Mostly because of your last 3 words.
Daniel Jones would spontaneously combust if he had to run the Gilbride offense Manning ran.
For a physically tough kid, he isn’t very mentally tough, you can rattle him pretty easily and if he gets knocked out of rhythm early on, its very rare he gets back into it.
Likely, he's much better when he sees the fronts and coverages that he prepared for.
When he gets looks other than the one's he saw on tape, he's thinking instead of simply reacting. It could be something as simple as leverage. If he thinks his 1st read is taken away he's doesn't seem quick to pivot another 1st read so he checks down or looks to run.
I also think that if he thinks that he's going to get pressure, he is quick to throw a hot read, which may not be there if the WR doesn't get the same presnap read.
Almost everything stated in this post is wrong. You may want to take some time to learn about the NFL, the QB position, etc.
Daniel Jones would spontaneously combust if he had to run the Gilbride offense Manning ran.
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I see the majority of people here complaining that Jones is inconsistent. Well, I've got news for you, about 85% of the QB's in the league are inconsistent, and thats not even including colossal busts who flame out. So, what you are expecting of your starting QB is not likely to happen. Even Josh Allen has had God awful games this season. This comes down to the modern NFL and the spread, shut gun system that is employed which requires the QB to be able to accurately read muliple coverages every shap. That neber existed back in the day. As a result, it is much more difficult to find a truly elite QB. Blame the current system in the NFL. Don't blame Jones.
Almost everything stated in this post is wrong. You may want to take some time to learn about the NFL, the QB position, etc.
Daniel Jones would spontaneously combust if he had to run the Gilbride offense Manning ran.
But the Gilbide scheme was not the norm in the NFL. That was the run and shoot with multiple route options by the receivers.
Yes, that is an example of a difficult offense. The spread concepts most NFL teams use, and the elements Daboll specifically uses are not.
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The law of average. Any QB can have a good game here and there.
So he is a ... back up QB?
Always was.