I think we'll know within the first 2-3 offensive series if that's going to happen.
If he looks nervous about not having Thomas or is just off (like last week) early on, might as well turn the game off.
Can we score fewer than no points ? Less than zero ? Barkley will probably have a good day and Giants lose 23 to negative 3 . Does not appear Giants can kick FG's anymore so they go negative .
Remember when Tyrod torched Eagles last year ? So so long ago .
I would be shocked if Jones throws a TD pass today.
He simply doesn't see the whole field. I think he has a cognitive issue with respect to playing QB in the NFL. He typically has an expression of bewilderment. Not saying the guy is stupid. He obviously is not. But IQ and QB intelligence are not the same. No one would ever accuse Bret Favre of being a member of Mensa, but the guy could see the field.
it's hard to envision a path to victory for the G-Mean. And with Joshua Ezeudu at Left Tackle, was there ever really a path?
We have no idea how Ezeuda will play. Unless you’re one of those guys under the impression that young players never get better and if they struggle as a rookie they just suck forever
Beating the fucking Eagles is really the only passion I have
With the NYG. It’s the one thing that has persisted from the “good times”. I would not be upset at all if we won today. That being said, we’ll be the Philly get right game. They’re not good at all, but will look it today…
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants-Eagles pregame thoughts:
• This is a rare instance when the highest stakes aren't for a player or a coach. GM Joe Schoen has the most riding on this game. Schoen was the driving force behind not re-signing Saquon Barkley. We all saw John Mara's objections on Hard Knocks and the awkward interactions between the two on the topic.
Mara deferred to Schoen, and it's a decision that can't be fully evaluated for a year or two. But that won't make it any easier for Mara to stomach if Saquon runs wild in an Eagles win today.
• I usually start these breakdowns with the Giants' offense, but let's stick with the Saquon angle. He's downplayed the significance of this game, which is laughable to anyone who knows him. He's dying to have a big game and stick it to Schoen.
The question is if he'll be too amped up. Is he going to be pressing and trying too hard to make a big play? We've seen some moments like that in big spots from him. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a drop early because he's trying to do too much.
That said, he should have a good game. The Eagles are committed to running the ball, which is something that the Giants haven't seen much this season. Four of their six opponents rank in the bottom seven in rush attempts per game. The Eagles are surely going to feed Saquon to give him a chance to make a point to his former team.
• Opponents' lack of rushing attempts has been puzzling because the Giants use light boxes at the second-highest rate in the league. It'd be tempting to load up the box to stop Saquon (that's why Cleveland was successful last week), but that's not Shane Bowen's preference. And that's not an ideal recipe against these Eagles WRs. Giants are going to need their DL and LB to be stout against the run. Dru Phillips will be key to the run D from the slot.
• This is another matchup where the Giants' pass rush needs to dominate a vulnerable O-line to give them a chance. They should line Brian Burns up on backup LT Fred Johnson all day. Dexter Lawrence won't be sad to see Jason Kelce go.
• Curious to see how Bowen matches the corners today. He threw a wrinkle by putting Deonte Banks on Tee Higgins last week. Do they do the same and put him on Devonta Smith today and double AJ Brown with Cor'Dale Flott and a safety like they did Ja'Marr Chase?
• Now to the offense, Daniel Jones plays well against this type of defense. The Eagles aren't going to blitz much and they aren't generating much pressure. He should be able to get the ball to his first read today, which is key for his success.
• That first read will often be Malik Nabers. The sensational rookie is back after missing two games. He provided a reminder of his talent by "Moss-ing" Banks on a red-zone fade during Thursday's practice. He's averaged 15 targets in his last three games. Won't be surprised if he's in that range again.
• O-line coach Carmen Bricillo has earned deserved plaudits for his work this season. But he's benefited from a mostly veteran group. We're going to learn more about him now that Josh Ezeudu is at LT.
It was a disaster when Ezeudu was at LT last season, but he was put in an unfair position after spending all offseason working at guard. He was at tackle under Bricillo all offseason, so we'll see if he's made strides.
The Giants are going to need to give Ezeudu help, which is a big change because they often left Andrew Thomas on an island at LT. There's also the intangible impact on Jones to consider. He has tremendous trust in Thomas, which naturally isn't there with Ezeudu. It should help that the Eagles don't have their typically disruptive pass rush.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants-Eagles pregame thoughts:
• This is a rare instance when the highest stakes aren't for a player or a coach. GM Joe Schoen has the most riding on this game. Schoen was the driving force behind not re-signing Saquon Barkley. We all saw John Mara's objections on Hard Knocks and the awkward interactions between the two on the topic.
Mara deferred to Schoen, and it's a decision that can't be fully evaluated for a year or two. But that won't make it any easier for Mara to stomach if Saquon runs wild in an Eagles win today.
• I usually start these breakdowns with the Giants' offense, but let's stick with the Saquon angle. He's downplayed the significance of this game, which is laughable to anyone who knows him. He's dying to have a big game and stick it to Schoen.
The question is if he'll be too amped up. Is he going to be pressing and trying too hard to make a big play? We've seen some moments like that in big spots from him. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a drop early because he's trying to do too much.
That said, he should have a good game. The Eagles are committed to running the ball, which is something that the Giants haven't seen much this season. Four of their six opponents rank in the bottom seven in rush attempts per game. The Eagles are surely going to feed Saquon to give him a chance to make a point to his former team.
• Opponents' lack of rushing attempts has been puzzling because the Giants use light boxes at the second-highest rate in the league. It'd be tempting to load up the box to stop Saquon (that's why Cleveland was successful last week), but that's not Shane Bowen's preference. And that's not an ideal recipe against these Eagles WRs. Giants are going to need their DL and LB to be stout against the run. Dru Phillips will be key to the run D from the slot.
• This is another matchup where the Giants' pass rush needs to dominate a vulnerable O-line to give them a chance. They should line Brian Burns up on backup LT Fred Johnson all day. Dexter Lawrence won't be sad to see Jason Kelce go.
• Curious to see how Bowen matches the corners today. He threw a wrinkle by putting Deonte Banks on Tee Higgins last week. Do they do the same and put him on Devonta Smith today and double AJ Brown with Cor'Dale Flott and a safety like they did Ja'Marr Chase?
• Now to the offense, Daniel Jones plays well against this type of defense. The Eagles aren't going to blitz much and they aren't generating much pressure. He should be able to get the ball to his first read today, which is key for his success.
• That first read will often be Malik Nabers. The sensational rookie is back after missing two games. He provided a reminder of his talent by "Moss-ing" Banks on a red-zone fade during Thursday's practice. He's averaged 15 targets in his last three games. Won't be surprised if he's in that range again.
• O-line coach Carmen Bricillo has earned deserved plaudits for his work this season. But he's benefited from a mostly veteran group. We're going to learn more about him now that Josh Ezeudu is at LT.
It was a disaster when Ezeudu was at LT last season, but he was put in an unfair position after spending all offseason working at guard. He was at tackle under Bricillo all offseason, so we'll see if he's made strides.
The Giants are going to need to give Ezeudu help, which is a big change because they often left Andrew Thomas on an island at LT. There's also the intangible impact on Jones to consider. He has tremendous trust in Thomas, which naturally isn't there with Ezeudu. It should help that the Eagles don't have their typically disruptive pass rush.
Boy that reads like an Inside BBI Eagles vs Giants transcript.. Who said those very sane things?? Oh yeah, I Did! ;)
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Josh Ezeudu is going to start at left tackle. He told me this week he's in a much better position to succeed. He's spent the entire spring and summer working at left tackle, unlike last year when he was thrown at left tackle after spending the entire spring + summer competing for a starting guard spot.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants give Ezeudu some help. Expect blocking TE Chris Manhertz to assist on the left side more than usual.
The contingency plan is for the Giants to move right tackle Jermaine Eluemunor to the left side and insert Evan Neal at RT.
My thoughts on what we needed coming into the season
1. a tackle who had played a decent left tackle who had moved to right tackle.
2. a right guard with experience at right tackle.
3. a veteran guard
4. a massive defensive tackle to help stop the run.
We got the right guard/tackle and the veteran guard. We got an edge rusher instead of the defensive tackle.
has shown enough to take a wait and see approach on the backup LT. The kid as shown the athletic ability for the spot he now has had some proper training and preparation. At worst there is a 50/50 chance but think we'll be pleasantly surprised overall.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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3m
Devin Singletary was the first RB up in warmups. Don't think it means that much, but reinforces that he hasn't been Wally Pipped. I'd expect Singletary and Tyrone Tracy to rotate, at least initially. Could ride the hot hand as the game progresses.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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6m
Josh Ezeudu will start at LT for Andrew Thomas, as expected. He's with the first-team next to LG Jon Runyan Jr. in warmups.
Daniel Jones has today, and what sort of run game they get going. If it’s like the Seattle game, Daniel Jones should do fairly well. And if it’s like the Cincy game, Daniel Jones will melt away like an ice cube in late July.
we lose by 14. Ezeudu won't be as bad as he was last year, and the Giants will smartly give him help. But I have no faith in Jones. His occasional flashes notwithstanding, he's basically a one read QB who is as such very easy to defend. He hasn't thrown a TD pass at home in forever. And nobody is scared of his running.
I don’t know who will win, but I am pretty sure this will not be an “instant classic” replaying on NFL Network this week.
That’s last nights tacos you’re feeling in your gut
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Just a gut feeling.
That’s last nights tacos you’re feeling in your gut
To me the X factor is if Eagles offense is able to make plays. If they do and Kellen Moore doesn’t call a dumb game, we are going to lose
If he looks nervous about not having Thomas or is just off (like last week) early on, might as well turn the game off.
Keys:
Giants defense must keep 1st down gains to a min- force Eagles into more predictable play calls.
Keep the pressure on Hurts by rushing strong from outside but not out of control. Box him in- no mistakes like against Bengals.
Giants offense must play up tempo. Keep the Eagles from situational substitutions- Keep the pressure on.
No turnovers!!
Remember when Tyrod torched Eagles last year ? So so long ago .
We have no idea how Ezeuda will play. Unless you’re one of those guys under the impression that young players never get better and if they struggle as a rookie they just suck forever
I still think Philly is a 'good team,' although not like the 2022 version.
So
NYG 23
Phil 20
@DDuggan21
Giants-Eagles pregame thoughts:
• This is a rare instance when the highest stakes aren't for a player or a coach. GM Joe Schoen has the most riding on this game. Schoen was the driving force behind not re-signing Saquon Barkley. We all saw John Mara's objections on Hard Knocks and the awkward interactions between the two on the topic.
Mara deferred to Schoen, and it's a decision that can't be fully evaluated for a year or two. But that won't make it any easier for Mara to stomach if Saquon runs wild in an Eagles win today.
• I usually start these breakdowns with the Giants' offense, but let's stick with the Saquon angle. He's downplayed the significance of this game, which is laughable to anyone who knows him. He's dying to have a big game and stick it to Schoen.
The question is if he'll be too amped up. Is he going to be pressing and trying too hard to make a big play? We've seen some moments like that in big spots from him. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a drop early because he's trying to do too much.
That said, he should have a good game. The Eagles are committed to running the ball, which is something that the Giants haven't seen much this season. Four of their six opponents rank in the bottom seven in rush attempts per game. The Eagles are surely going to feed Saquon to give him a chance to make a point to his former team.
• Opponents' lack of rushing attempts has been puzzling because the Giants use light boxes at the second-highest rate in the league. It'd be tempting to load up the box to stop Saquon (that's why Cleveland was successful last week), but that's not Shane Bowen's preference. And that's not an ideal recipe against these Eagles WRs. Giants are going to need their DL and LB to be stout against the run. Dru Phillips will be key to the run D from the slot.
• This is another matchup where the Giants' pass rush needs to dominate a vulnerable O-line to give them a chance. They should line Brian Burns up on backup LT Fred Johnson all day. Dexter Lawrence won't be sad to see Jason Kelce go.
• Curious to see how Bowen matches the corners today. He threw a wrinkle by putting Deonte Banks on Tee Higgins last week. Do they do the same and put him on Devonta Smith today and double AJ Brown with Cor'Dale Flott and a safety like they did Ja'Marr Chase?
• Now to the offense, Daniel Jones plays well against this type of defense. The Eagles aren't going to blitz much and they aren't generating much pressure. He should be able to get the ball to his first read today, which is key for his success.
• That first read will often be Malik Nabers. The sensational rookie is back after missing two games. He provided a reminder of his talent by "Moss-ing" Banks on a red-zone fade during Thursday's practice. He's averaged 15 targets in his last three games. Won't be surprised if he's in that range again.
• O-line coach Carmen Bricillo has earned deserved plaudits for his work this season. But he's benefited from a mostly veteran group. We're going to learn more about him now that Josh Ezeudu is at LT.
It was a disaster when Ezeudu was at LT last season, but he was put in an unfair position after spending all offseason working at guard. He was at tackle under Bricillo all offseason, so we'll see if he's made strides.
The Giants are going to need to give Ezeudu help, which is a big change because they often left Andrew Thomas on an island at LT. There's also the intangible impact on Jones to consider. He has tremendous trust in Thomas, which naturally isn't there with Ezeudu. It should help that the Eagles don't have their typically disruptive pass rush.
@DDuggan21
Giants-Eagles pregame thoughts:
• This is a rare instance when the highest stakes aren't for a player or a coach. GM Joe Schoen has the most riding on this game. Schoen was the driving force behind not re-signing Saquon Barkley. We all saw John Mara's objections on Hard Knocks and the awkward interactions between the two on the topic.
Mara deferred to Schoen, and it's a decision that can't be fully evaluated for a year or two. But that won't make it any easier for Mara to stomach if Saquon runs wild in an Eagles win today.
• I usually start these breakdowns with the Giants' offense, but let's stick with the Saquon angle. He's downplayed the significance of this game, which is laughable to anyone who knows him. He's dying to have a big game and stick it to Schoen.
The question is if he'll be too amped up. Is he going to be pressing and trying too hard to make a big play? We've seen some moments like that in big spots from him. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a drop early because he's trying to do too much.
That said, he should have a good game. The Eagles are committed to running the ball, which is something that the Giants haven't seen much this season. Four of their six opponents rank in the bottom seven in rush attempts per game. The Eagles are surely going to feed Saquon to give him a chance to make a point to his former team.
• Opponents' lack of rushing attempts has been puzzling because the Giants use light boxes at the second-highest rate in the league. It'd be tempting to load up the box to stop Saquon (that's why Cleveland was successful last week), but that's not Shane Bowen's preference. And that's not an ideal recipe against these Eagles WRs. Giants are going to need their DL and LB to be stout against the run. Dru Phillips will be key to the run D from the slot.
• This is another matchup where the Giants' pass rush needs to dominate a vulnerable O-line to give them a chance. They should line Brian Burns up on backup LT Fred Johnson all day. Dexter Lawrence won't be sad to see Jason Kelce go.
• Curious to see how Bowen matches the corners today. He threw a wrinkle by putting Deonte Banks on Tee Higgins last week. Do they do the same and put him on Devonta Smith today and double AJ Brown with Cor'Dale Flott and a safety like they did Ja'Marr Chase?
• Now to the offense, Daniel Jones plays well against this type of defense. The Eagles aren't going to blitz much and they aren't generating much pressure. He should be able to get the ball to his first read today, which is key for his success.
• That first read will often be Malik Nabers. The sensational rookie is back after missing two games. He provided a reminder of his talent by "Moss-ing" Banks on a red-zone fade during Thursday's practice. He's averaged 15 targets in his last three games. Won't be surprised if he's in that range again.
• O-line coach Carmen Bricillo has earned deserved plaudits for his work this season. But he's benefited from a mostly veteran group. We're going to learn more about him now that Josh Ezeudu is at LT.
It was a disaster when Ezeudu was at LT last season, but he was put in an unfair position after spending all offseason working at guard. He was at tackle under Bricillo all offseason, so we'll see if he's made strides.
The Giants are going to need to give Ezeudu help, which is a big change because they often left Andrew Thomas on an island at LT. There's also the intangible impact on Jones to consider. He has tremendous trust in Thomas, which naturally isn't there with Ezeudu. It should help that the Eagles don't have their typically disruptive pass rush.
Boy that reads like an Inside BBI Eagles vs Giants transcript.. Who said those very sane things?? Oh yeah, I Did! ;)
Good points by Duggan overall....I mean jvm.
@Dan_Salomone
DL Dexter Lawrence, OLB Brian Burns, and S Dane Belton are ACTIVE.
GIANTS INACTIVES:
T Christopher Hubbard
P Jamie Gillan
CB Adoree’ Jackson
S Anthony Johnson
OLB Boogie Basham
QB (3rd) Tommy DeVito
EAGLES INACTIVES:
QB Tanner McKee
CB Eli Ricks
T Darian Kinnard
G Trevor Keegan
TE Dallas Goedert
DT Byron Young
Sounds like a defense that needs to change.
@JordanRaanan
Josh Ezeudu is going to start at left tackle. He told me this week he's in a much better position to succeed. He's spent the entire spring and summer working at left tackle, unlike last year when he was thrown at left tackle after spending the entire spring + summer competing for a starting guard spot.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants give Ezeudu some help. Expect blocking TE Chris Manhertz to assist on the left side more than usual.
The contingency plan is for the Giants to move right tackle Jermaine Eluemunor to the left side and insert Evan Neal at RT.
2. a right guard with experience at right tackle.
3. a veteran guard
4. a massive defensive tackle to help stop the run.
We got the right guard/tackle and the veteran guard. We got an edge rusher instead of the defensive tackle.
Now we have no decent backup at left tackle.
As always, it’ll come dow to whether our offense can score points. Hopefully Malik helps with that.
@DDuggan21
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3m
Devin Singletary was the first RB up in warmups. Don't think it means that much, but reinforces that he hasn't been Wally Pipped. I'd expect Singletary and Tyrone Tracy to rotate, at least initially. Could ride the hot hand as the game progresses.
@art_stapleton
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6m
Josh Ezeudu will start at LT for Andrew Thomas, as expected. He's with the first-team next to LG Jon Runyan Jr. in warmups.
I’d give him another extension.
If they give Ezeudu help, it will make it that much more difficult for us. Using an eligible to block sucks
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we lose by 14. Ezeudu won't be as bad as he was last year, and the Giants will smartly give him help.
If they give Ezeudu help, it will make it that much more difficult for us. Using an eligible to block sucks
True, but hopefully Nabers returning will offset that to some extent.
+1
Daboll special.
Just use Robinson as a decoy.