when your QB sucks. Stop making excuses for your Sucky QB. Was Wandale worth a 2nd round pick... not in my opinion. But he is a good gadget player and would thrive in the right system.
Lots of drops. Does not make guys miss. Can be ok on the move and in limited role. Overrated by many on this board. Poor value in the second round. Not a true difference maker, the definition of JAG.
On the positive side, was much better value than Hyatt… what a disappointment he has been. I’d rather see Hodgins than either of these guys - he gets open, catches the ball and his size is a plus.
He has a high drop rate. Historically tiny catch radius that is exacerbated with body catching. Is a non-threat 5 yards beyond the LOS.
The stats also agree, as they average hardly over 4 yards when targeting him. To give you an idea of how inefficient he is…it’s like your QB dropping back 67 times in one game and only having 303 yards passing.
Robinson i believe was top five in yards per separation per catch.. which means he has the ability to get open.. NOW he needs to improve his receptions.. and they need to find ways to get him the ball other than..
Agree. He is very good player. Don't underestimate certain players on this team. That's what the Giants organization did and look at them thriving on another team!
Agree. He is very good player. Don't underestimate certain players on this team. That's what the Giants organization did and look at them thriving on another team!
is what he is. He’s a short field, twitchy underneath guy who can catch screens, bubble screens, slot and underneath stuff and short routes. He’s really a guy who is a #3 WR outside your two main wideouts.
type player. On an offense that is a threat to get the ball downfield, he could catch a lot of short passes, make a guy miss and turn a short gain into decent gain. Move the chains. Bail the QB out when he's under pressure. Problem is no defense is worried about us getting the ball downfield.
On this site can’t see what the primary problem is.
Post after post complaining about ancillary pieces. Daniel Jones fucken sucks…………
I don't think people grasp how teams are able to defend this offense with Jones at QB. The underneath game is shot because everyone can sit back in their zone and drill down on the shallow routes as soon as the ball is in the air because Jones gives them zero to worry about the vertical game. Same thing happening to Nabers --as soon as the ball is there, he gets mugged by two defenders. Go watch --it is plain as day. It was the exact case last year. In 2022, things were slightly different because defenses keyed on Saquon. You can't judge the talent of the WRs on this team because the QB limits the field of play. The one area of the field that defense worry about most is not a concern when they play us. In today's game --you cannot operate an offense that doesn't challenge defense vertically unless you have a monster of a running game, which we don't.
Tiny guy with small hands and short arms. How many WR’s with his physical profile have been good NFL WR’s? Yes, playing with Jones doesn’t help, but I think many here overrate him.
To clarify --when I said It was the exact case last year
Robinson was a downfield playmaker at Kentucky. I respect his effort to be a tackle breaking, dump off guy, but he's too small to be that consistently on this level.
Unfortunately the Giants can't pass the ball with any consistency downfield so this is what you get.
With absolutely no WR#1 on the roster, we could’ve had Pickens instead of Wandale. Wandale is not bad but for me I don’t see him as a high impact player.
Is that Wan’dale Robinson is no cornerstone player and can be upgraded in the offseason. He still has his 4th year on his rookie contract, but he’s not a guy I would prioritize signing. He’s a good 4th receiver on most teams, that doesn’t play special teams.
Not really, he is the centerpiece of how our offense operates. He literally gets the ball at many critical junctures and fails just as often, if not more, than he succeeds. So, he is a big issue at the moment.
He’s not a 2. He drops some passes that will drive you crazy but he makes a lot of plays. The Giants use him on 3-5yd routes like they did with Engram. They aren’t getting him into space. This offense is very limited by the QB and the past 2 weeks the OL.
and then watch them make big plays when we get beat by their teams when they come in and play us like bj hill, barkley, etc. even freaking jihad ward got a sack i think. rinse repeat.
The problem is he's doing a lot of what should be done by Nabers - short/intermediate stuff out of the slot with high YAC. In a sense they feel redundant, with Nabers obviously being the greater talent.
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with mediocre hands that can't make a defender miss. I'm sorry, but if you're one of those small quick type of receivers, you better be able to make guys miss. He can't make a LB miss. IMO, he's the definition of a JAG.
The problem is he's doing a lot of what should be done by Nabers - short/intermediate stuff out of the slot with high YAC. In a sense they feel redundant, with Nabers obviously being the greater talent.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
Nabers isn’t a slot receiver. He’s a do everything outside receiver, that can take shorts route and get YAC or a guy that can go deep and blow the top off a defense.
Someone like Robinson can be effective in a different offense
but an underneath receiver doesn't work in an offense that can only throw underneath. YAC is tough to come by when all you can do is run crossing routes and curls against coverage that knows the ball has to be thrown within 7-10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
YAC is also tough when you don't catch the ball. Some of that is on bad ball placement, some of that is on bad pass catching technique.
The problem is he's doing a lot of what should be done by Nabers - short/intermediate stuff out of the slot with high YAC. In a sense they feel redundant, with Nabers obviously being the greater talent.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
Nabers isn’t a slot receiver. He’s a do everything outside receiver, that can take shorts route and get YAC or a guy that can go deep and blow the top off a defense.
If you watch his work at LSU you'll see a ton of fade routes run out of the slot.
I would think with his change of direction skills we'd want him operating from everywhere, especially the slot.
That's why NFL coaching has more to with winning and losing than any other sport. How many players do the Chiefs have that aren't JAG? 5? 10?
Remember when Jerry Reese/Mark Ross drafted Travis Beckum a light, non blocking TE for Tom Coughlin, a HC who wanted big blocking TEs? What were they thinking? The fit made no sense.
From the minute he was drafted a lot of Giants fans pointed out that Robinson has a tiny catch radius. Why would a team that has a QB that struggles with ball placement even on 5 yard throws draft a player like that? The fit made no sense. The only way Robinson can be a weapon is if he's hit right on the numbers in stride. Daniel Jones can't do that.
That's why NFL coaching has more to with winning and losing than any other sport. How many players do the Chiefs have that aren't JAG? 5? 10?
Remember when Jerry Reese/Mark Ross drafted Travis Beckum a light, non blocking TE for Tom Coughlin, a HC who wanted big blocking TEs? What were they thinking? The fit made no sense.
From the minute he was drafted a lot of Giants fans pointed out that Robinson has a tiny catch radius. Why would a team that has a QB that struggles with ball placement even on 5 yard throws draft a player like that? The fit made no sense. The only way Robinson can be a weapon is if he's hit right on the numbers in stride. Daniel Jones can't do that.
This is absolutely right. Most NFL players are in the B/C range to use an academic scale. The trap most fans get into is to think there B-/C+ players are somehow better than the other teams b-/c+ players. Most of the time whether a person is serviceable is how the person is used and the fit. Robinson is a JAG and a bad fit for DJ given his catch raDIUS.
He has a high drop rate. Historically tiny catch radius that is exacerbated with body catching. Is a non-threat 5 yards beyond the LOS.
The stats also agree, as they average hardly over 4 yards when targeting him. To give you an idea of how inefficient he is…it’s like your QB dropping back 67 times in one game and only having 303 yards passing.
He's like a better RB WR than Samuel was at the expense of his WR skills and talent.
He's actually kinda of a useless player in the age of two high safeties... the slot player needs to be dependable past the sticks on 3rd downs....he just can't do that because of how small he is.
That's why NFL coaching has more to with winning and losing than any other sport. How many players do the Chiefs have that aren't JAG? 5? 10?
Remember when Jerry Reese/Mark Ross drafted Travis Beckum a light, non blocking TE for Tom Coughlin, a HC who wanted big blocking TEs? What were they thinking? The fit made no sense.
From the minute he was drafted a lot of Giants fans pointed out that Robinson has a tiny catch radius. Why would a team that has a QB that struggles with ball placement even on 5 yard throws draft a player like that? The fit made no sense. The only way Robinson can be a weapon is if he's hit right on the numbers in stride. Daniel Jones can't do that.
almost all nfl players are JAG is exactly right. talent wise the league has never been flatter.
look across the field yesterday, hurts had 114 yards passing and his OL was crap. barkley and AJB made individual big plays that scored points. their coaching got production out of their handful of truly talented players despite obvious limitations. the giants didnt. as has been the case with both orgs for 10 years.
The problem is he's doing a lot of what should be done by Nabers - short/intermediate stuff out of the slot with high YAC. In a sense they feel redundant, with Nabers obviously being the greater talent.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
Nabers isn’t a slot receiver. He’s a do everything outside receiver, that can take shorts route and get YAC or a guy that can go deep and blow the top off a defense.
If you watch his work at LSU you'll see a ton of fade routes run out of the slot.
I would think with his change of direction skills we'd want him operating from everywhere, especially the slot.
That’s the other problem having Robinson presents. He’s a slot receiver only and doesn’t really allow for other players to be in that spot and unless you go 4 receivers and have 2 guys inside.
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Wan'Dale with a real QB.
Mahomes would love him.
Mahomes has 6 TDs and 8 INTs on the season, yet KC is 6-0
His numbers are HORRIBLE this year. Spags defense is the main reason they are undefeated.
On the positive side, was much better value than Hyatt… what a disappointment he has been. I’d rather see Hodgins than either of these guys - he gets open, catches the ball and his size is a plus.
He has a high drop rate. Historically tiny catch radius that is exacerbated with body catching. Is a non-threat 5 yards beyond the LOS.
The stats also agree, as they average hardly over 4 yards when targeting him. To give you an idea of how inefficient he is…it’s like your QB dropping back 67 times in one game and only having 303 yards passing.
He's quite elusive in the open field, but has too many drops and also has a small catch radius because of his height.
My recollection is that Kafka really wanted him in the draft.
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Wan'Dale with a real QB.
Mahomes would love him.
Mahomes loves guys w crappy hands and runs 3rd down route short? Sure
It's why they drafted Sky Moore and traded for Toney
I just don't see a 2nd round talent there.
run a curl
Mahomes would love him.
Agree. He is very good player. Don't underestimate certain players on this team. That's what the Giants organization did and look at them thriving on another team!
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Wan'Dale with a real QB.
Mahomes would love him.
Agree. He is very good player. Don't underestimate certain players on this team. That's what the Giants organization did and look at them thriving on another team!
Mahomes really loved Toney! Oh, wait....
Post after post complaining about ancillary pieces. Daniel Jones fucken sucks…………
Same thing'll happen with Robinson.
When he leaves Jones behind his game will improve exponentially.
Post after post complaining about ancillary pieces. Daniel Jones fucken sucks…………
Unfortunately the Giants can't pass the ball with any consistency downfield so this is what you get.
Pickens just brings more to the table.
Wandale can't break tackles. to many drops as well.
He was drafted way to high given his size.
Not really, he is the centerpiece of how our offense operates. He literally gets the ball at many critical junctures and fails just as often, if not more, than he succeeds. So, he is a big issue at the moment.
Based on what??? Right.
Wan'dale simply drops too many balls and a number of them were 3rd down plays that could have led to 1st downs.
He's a day three talent for sure, playing with a day three talented QB.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
Nabers isn’t a slot receiver. He’s a do everything outside receiver, that can take shorts route and get YAC or a guy that can go deep and blow the top off a defense.
YAC is also tough when you don't catch the ball. Some of that is on bad ball placement, some of that is on bad pass catching technique.
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The problem is he's doing a lot of what should be done by Nabers - short/intermediate stuff out of the slot with high YAC. In a sense they feel redundant, with Nabers obviously being the greater talent.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
Nabers isn’t a slot receiver. He’s a do everything outside receiver, that can take shorts route and get YAC or a guy that can go deep and blow the top off a defense.
If you watch his work at LSU you'll see a ton of fade routes run out of the slot.
I would think with his change of direction skills we'd want him operating from everywhere, especially the slot.
Remember when Jerry Reese/Mark Ross drafted Travis Beckum a light, non blocking TE for Tom Coughlin, a HC who wanted big blocking TEs? What were they thinking? The fit made no sense.
From the minute he was drafted a lot of Giants fans pointed out that Robinson has a tiny catch radius. Why would a team that has a QB that struggles with ball placement even on 5 yard throws draft a player like that? The fit made no sense. The only way Robinson can be a weapon is if he's hit right on the numbers in stride. Daniel Jones can't do that.
Wandale isn't a stud. A stud catches everything thrown to him.
Remember when Jerry Reese/Mark Ross drafted Travis Beckum a light, non blocking TE for Tom Coughlin, a HC who wanted big blocking TEs? What were they thinking? The fit made no sense.
From the minute he was drafted a lot of Giants fans pointed out that Robinson has a tiny catch radius. Why would a team that has a QB that struggles with ball placement even on 5 yard throws draft a player like that? The fit made no sense. The only way Robinson can be a weapon is if he's hit right on the numbers in stride. Daniel Jones can't do that.
This is absolutely right. Most NFL players are in the B/C range to use an academic scale. The trap most fans get into is to think there B-/C+ players are somehow better than the other teams b-/c+ players. Most of the time whether a person is serviceable is how the person is used and the fit. Robinson is a JAG and a bad fit for DJ given his catch raDIUS.
He has a high drop rate. Historically tiny catch radius that is exacerbated with body catching. Is a non-threat 5 yards beyond the LOS.
The stats also agree, as they average hardly over 4 yards when targeting him. To give you an idea of how inefficient he is…it’s like your QB dropping back 67 times in one game and only having 303 yards passing.
He's like a better RB WR than Samuel was at the expense of his WR skills and talent.
He's actually kinda of a useless player in the age of two high safeties... the slot player needs to be dependable past the sticks on 3rd downs....he just can't do that because of how small he is.
Remember when Jerry Reese/Mark Ross drafted Travis Beckum a light, non blocking TE for Tom Coughlin, a HC who wanted big blocking TEs? What were they thinking? The fit made no sense.
From the minute he was drafted a lot of Giants fans pointed out that Robinson has a tiny catch radius. Why would a team that has a QB that struggles with ball placement even on 5 yard throws draft a player like that? The fit made no sense. The only way Robinson can be a weapon is if he's hit right on the numbers in stride. Daniel Jones can't do that.
almost all nfl players are JAG is exactly right. talent wise the league has never been flatter.
look across the field yesterday, hurts had 114 yards passing and his OL was crap. barkley and AJB made individual big plays that scored points. their coaching got production out of their handful of truly talented players despite obvious limitations. the giants didnt. as has been the case with both orgs for 10 years.
Oh c'mon now, he's a very average player.
His size is killing him in the NFL.
Pickens was the pick character questions be damned. You pick Pickens, you don't end up taking Hyatt.
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The problem is he's doing a lot of what should be done by Nabers - short/intermediate stuff out of the slot with high YAC. In a sense they feel redundant, with Nabers obviously being the greater talent.
More great roster construction/coaching from this band of village idiots.
Nabers isn’t a slot receiver. He’s a do everything outside receiver, that can take shorts route and get YAC or a guy that can go deep and blow the top off a defense.
If you watch his work at LSU you'll see a ton of fade routes run out of the slot.
I would think with his change of direction skills we'd want him operating from everywhere, especially the slot.
That’s the other problem having Robinson presents. He’s a slot receiver only and doesn’t really allow for other players to be in that spot and unless you go 4 receivers and have 2 guys inside.