Nabers: “I was open”

I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.

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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.

Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.

Over drafted another Dave Brown set the franchise back for years need to move on

He's the only guy not standing for this pathetic QB play. Fuck everyone else who has accepted this level of QB play for 6 seasons.

& thus it begins.

Of all the things wrong and all that should happen Nabers talking shit is the last thing I want to see.

It is obvious to many Jones is a lame duck qb. I'm at a point that a new quarterback will be selected or traded for by next season. However are Schoen/Daboll the men to continue at the helm of the team? The futility and lack of urgency by this team is beyond belief.
Daboll at his press conferences seems defeated and frustrated and sad to say clueless on what direction to take the team. As a fan for decades the state of the Giants is in a very sad position and I fear the powers that be are not the answer to bring this team back to prominence. To compound this disaster I have no idea who can rectify this shitty mess of a team.

In comment 16655432 monstercoo said:

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In comment 16655430 BestFeature said: Quote: I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck. Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.

"He proved his draft day haters wrong."

Oh, so you're one of ones calling critics of Jones "haters."
Nice of you to show up finally!
He's a s**t quarterback. Use whatever terminology you want, he hasn't proved those who said he was overdrafted wrong. He's completely vindicated his critics.
Anyway, have a nice retirement, Mr. Gettleman.

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Of all the things wrong and all that should happen Nabers talking shit is the last thing I want to see.

I don’t agree. He’s a budding superstar who the front office has to treat with kid gloves. Not some guy worried about his next contract. I want him to be loud and say the truth publicly. This team needs dissension.

In comment 16655432 monstercoo said:

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In comment 16655430 BestFeature said: Quote: I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck. Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.

Zach Wilson would have a similar career if the Jets gave him 6+ years and never drafted another QB in any round during that time.

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Over drafted another Dave Brown set the franchise back for years need to move on

I think we should give Jones at least another year..

37 passing plays - 8 sacks, 11 hits, and not sure how many pressures. That certainly was a factor in Jones' poor play

was also asking him about if he wanted a run game too and his response was “that’s not my job. My job is to run routes, get open and catch the ball”. And he’s right.

Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that.

We continue “as is” and players will start making business decisions.
I think we saw the beginning of that in the second half yesterday.
I am totally over but he is a tough dude hard worker QB talk.
He is also a very limited bad QB.
2024 should be the end of the Jones era.
This will be the most important offseason coming up in decades
Problem is do we trust the current regime to get it right!!!!

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37 passing plays - 8 sacks, 11 hits, and not sure how many pressures. That certainly was a factor in Jones' poor play

Then DJ should make more plays as the QB and keep the offense out of bad down/distances. He should also read the defense pre-snap and figure out where pressure may come from and adjust or be ready to react quickly. How about throw to space where pressure comes from into that vacant area.

Do you see him doing any of these things?

In comment 16655444 jvm52106 said:

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Of all the things wrong and all that should happen Nabers talking shit is the last thing I want to see.

Why? If Schoen and Daboll are too damn stupid to realize their pet QB sucks maybe the players can get through to them. Nothing else has worked

In comment 16655432 monstercoo said:

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In comment 16655430 BestFeature said: Quote: I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck. Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.

No, he'll have killed 3 coaches and 2 gms by the end of this season.

#6 pick to get this?
Should have ended three years ago

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was also asking him about if he wanted a run game too and his response was “that’s not my job. My job is to run routes, get open and catch the ball”. And he’s right. Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that.

Wink's handling of that is why he is not in the league.
That and not being able to stop anything.

I truly hope they sign a veteran in the offseason and use their draft capital to fix the damn OL. All the hoopla this year about the improved OL has been over the top. This OL still needs 2-3 more players and that assumes that Thomas can overcome his recent string of injuries and return to the player he was in 2022. Reaching for one of this year's QBs is very risky as none of them can pass block for themself or open holes for the RBs.

….careful what you wish for

necessarily, but has a WR ever not been open when you ask them? Any WR, ever?

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Of all the things wrong and all that should happen Nabers talking shit is the last thing I want to see.

This is what you don’t draft a “dawg” WR when you have nobody who can throw the ball to them. Nabers is not Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron. He is not going to sit quietly while 10 years go by with no opportunity to win games.

More evidence that this regime doesn’t know what it is doing. You’re putting a mack daddy hot tub on a deck riddled with dry rot.

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Of all the things wrong and all that should happen Nabers talking shit is the last thing I want to see.

Welp, on the one hand, I understand exactly where you’re coming from. On the other hand, the disinfectant required to clean up this shit-hole begins with one simple word: Honesty.

In comment 16655432 monstercoo said:

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In comment 16655430 BestFeature said: Quote: I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck. Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.

Playing better than other failed 1st rounders is proof that the “haters” were wrong? Sorry, bub, J9nes has sucked his entire career. His best season comprised of a whopping 15 TD passes. The only reason he was more “successful” is because this loser organization insisted on trotting him out there for 6 years.

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In comment 16655491 mittenedman said: Quote: was also asking him about if he wanted a run game too and his response was “that’s not my job. My job is to run routes, get open and catch the ball”. And he’s right. Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that. Wink's handling of that is why he is not in the league. That and not being able to stop anything.

And Daboll can't carry his jockstrap as an NFL football coach.

In comment 16655432 monstercoo said:

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In comment 16655430 BestFeature said: Quote: I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck. Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.

No 6 pick shouldn’t be a backup. Are you serious with this? I

However this is the 1%, blast away Malik. He is one of the few guys that the ownership and media will listen to right now. Screw being nice, this team is going down the drain. The QB sucks, the players know it, and the rot is now permeating into the lines, defense, and receivers. It needs to be removed like an infection and cleaned out

on this team. Are you worried about the delicate winning chemistry being upset? This reeks of John Mara-esque "I don't care if we suck, as long as we are not a circus."

Player mutinies and publicly calling out the stupidity of this franchise may be the only way out of this self-inflicted death spiral. Malik Nabers quietly discussing his concerns with Brian Daboll isn't changing anything.

I hope more players come out and challenge this coach, GM and owner. It can only help. There is nothing worth saving.

Everyone knows this QB sucks, especially the players. Maybe the players need to force management’s hands

They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost.

Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.

that it wouldn't probably take long for Nabers to get dinged, express frustration and the like. He clearly has some special to him but coming to this offensive Offense will bring him down more than he can pick it up.

Welcome to the NY Giants.

In comment 16655697 Lambuth_Special said:

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They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost. Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.

This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.

* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.

I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.

Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.

This

When their offense is predicated for him being the #1 read ? Let’s see what the coach film aficionados come up with this week. Regardless the commentary doesn’t help. Look everybody on this planet is Me First to a degree. We are hard-wired that way for survival. But Me Only is where humanity goes off the tracks . And that’s what is being spooned right here .

In comment 16655786 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16655697 Lambuth_Special said: Quote: They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost. Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head. This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings. * They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons * They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR? * They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones * They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick. I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years. Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise. This

Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today?

It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.

In comment 16655786 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16655697 Lambuth_Special said: Quote: They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost. Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head. This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings. * They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons * They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR? * They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones * They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick. I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years. Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise. This

Indeed, and of course now Shefter is hinting that Jones will be benched because of the injury guarantee, which is such a joke if they go this way. It's the right decision, but just reflects the reactionary approach this team has after a season doing everything they can to prioritize Jones. It's the "give the greenlight the bench Eli but then hit full reverse when it backfires" move yet again.

They would have done things very differently. But their priority this season was only a choice between "Get our next savior" or "Help Daniel."

We need someone running this who's priority it to build a better team, even if that upsets our current unproductive QB.

In comment 16655793 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16655786 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 16655697 Lambuth_Special said: Quote: They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost. Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head. This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings. * They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons * They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR? * They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones * They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick. I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years. Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise. This Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today? It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.

How would it be possible to be 4-3 with a completely incompetent GM and coach? Every personnel move has sucked, every coaching move has sucked. I guess we are just assuming that Penix (who i do like) is an immediate top 5 QB?

In comment 16655793 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16655786 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 16655697 Lambuth_Special said: Quote: They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost. Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head. This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings. * They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons * They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR? * They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones * They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick. I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years. Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise. This Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today? It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.

Yep. And even assuming they love Jones as much as they say they do, to not bring in a quality alternative just based on his injury history tells us all we need to know about their priorities. And their priority was to make Danny not feel threatened and to also make sure that if Danny were to get injured again the back up would be dreadful enough to make themselves and some fans feel better about Jones.

“See! Jones went out and the back up was worse so we were right! Jones was the guy!”. It’s absolutely mind boggling how they’ve handled this position

(which it would be really hard to be as bad as Daniel Jones has been) you'd still have hope for the future. You could accept losses or imperfect games if there is growth. Jones is who is he is at this point, which has made the last several years that much harder.

that Mara will let them bench Jones because of the injury clause. It is not hard at all to imagine him saying "We signed a contract with Daniel in good faith. If he gives us the best chance to win, and if he is injured, we pay him in accordance with the contract. That is the Giants Way and what makes us the New York Giants!!!"

And to be fair, I do believe if Schoen and Daboll went to him and said "Jones doesn't give us the best chance to win he would get on board with a benching. I just don't see that happening until the Giants are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

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(which it would be really hard to be as bad as Daniel Jones has been) you'd still have hope for the future. You could accept losses or imperfect games if there is growth. Jones is who is he is at this point, which has made the last several years that much harder.

Yep.

Watching the bad QB play in 2020 & 2021 seasons and yearning for DJ to play better like he did in just a few isolated games from his rookie season of 2019 was a joke.

And similarly this regime doing the same in 2023 and 2024 and yearning back to a few isolated 2022 games.

But let's keep doing the same thing...bring in no serious competition, don't use any draft picks on QBs and just keep giving starts to Jones until he is hurt or the team is eliminated from playoff race.

Unbelievable waste of time.

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Over drafted another Dave Brown set the franchise back for years need to move on

I'm far from a DJ defender in any sense, but he didn't set the franchise back at all. The franchise set themselves back - DJ is merely representative of a broken organization that can't differentiate problems from solutions and appears to value the wrong traits in players. It's not just DJ and never has been. But he has been emblematic of this franchise's recent mediocrity.

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(which it would be really hard to be as bad as Daniel Jones has been) you'd still have hope for the future. You could accept losses or imperfect games if there is growth. Jones is who is he is at this point, which has made the last several years that much harder.

Trust me, I hate Daniel Jones. People say "nobody hates Daniel Jones." BS - i fing hate Daniel Jones.

My view is that these 2 years were dead as soon as the Minnesota game ended. There is no GM, no coach that would move on from Jones in 2022 while John Mara was drooling all over an unrestricted free agent ahead of a negotiating period.

Having seen Nabers, we got a really good and really valuable player. This is not Barkley. Will Penix be good? Maybe, maybe not. If he's good, then passing on him was a big mistake. If not, then having Nabers instead of a mediocre QB is a big win. I'd have been very happy to draft Penix and for sure this year would be a lot more exciting. But bigger picture and through the lens of the Giants actually being good, I'm not sure it was a massive mistake.

In comment 16655844 Jerry in_DC said:

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In comment 16655824 widmerseyebrow said: Quote: (which it would be really hard to be as bad as Daniel Jones has been) you'd still have hope for the future. You could accept losses or imperfect games if there is growth. Jones is who is he is at this point, which has made the last several years that much harder. Trust me, I hate Daniel Jones. People say "nobody hates Daniel Jones." BS - i fing hate Daniel Jones. My view is that these 2 years were dead as soon as the Minnesota game ended. There is no GM, no coach that would move on from Jones in 2022 while John Mara was drooling all over an unrestricted free agent ahead of a negotiating period. Having seen Nabers, we got a really good and really valuable player. This is not Barkley. Will Penix be good? Maybe, maybe not. If he's good, then passing on him was a big mistake. If not, then having Nabers instead of a mediocre QB is a big win. I'd have been very happy to draft Penix and for sure this year would be a lot more exciting. But bigger picture and through the lens of the Giants actually being good, I'm not sure it was a massive mistake.

haha

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In comment 16655513 Blueworm said: Quote: In comment 16655491 mittenedman said: Quote: was also asking him about if he wanted a run game too and his response was “that’s not my job. My job is to run routes, get open and catch the ball”. And he’s right. Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that. Wink's handling of that is why he is not in the league. That and not being able to stop anything. And Daboll can't carry his jockstrap as an NFL football coach.

Whose? Wink's?

If Wink was anything other than the most overrated DC in the NFL, he would have gotten a job last offseason. He barely even got interviews.

Wink sucks, regardless of where you stand on Daboll.

In comment 16655793 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16655786 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 16655697 Lambuth_Special said: Quote: They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost. Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head. This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings. * They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons * They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR? * They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones * They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick. I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years. Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise. This Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today? It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.

All those names are good except Flacco. The guy is 40 years old, and that's reward? Getting us a .500 team and middle of the 1st round pick for his replacement?

At least the other guys can be considered building blocks.

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that Mara will let them bench Jones because of the injury clause. It is not hard at all to imagine him saying "We signed a contract with Daniel in good faith. If he gives us the best chance to win, and if he is injured, we pay him in accordance with the contract. That is the Giants Way and what makes us the New York Giants!!!" And to be fair, I do believe if Schoen and Daboll went to him and said "Jones doesn't give us the best chance to win he would get on board with a benching. I just don't see that happening until the Giants are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

I agree that Mara won't want them to bench Jones due to the injury clause. However, Jones' body of work is bad enough to just bench him, regardless, even if the injury clause is a major factor we never reveal.

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37 passing plays - 8 sacks, 11 hits, and not sure how many pressures. That certainly was a factor in Jones' poor play

People like to cry over his run D but his D lead the league in turnovers or close to it. That's more important than run D. And the entire time he was here, he was supporting the worst offense in modern NFL history. (So the offense he was playing against didn't have to be aggressive.)

To still be in the league leaders in turnovers despite that is incredible.

He got black-listed by the NFL for his behavior here, it is what it is. But he is a better football coach than Brian Daboll and the results here support that.