Always be worse but this team seems to be cursed with no end in sight. For those pining to tank (not necessary) for better draft picks, do you really think they will get the picks right?
late 60's and 70's teams had decent D and bad offense, generally wiyh terrible QB play.. As futile as those teams were, I always (as a kid ) had hope. I really don't have any hope left for this current iteration of a team.
Yes it is bad. We have seen this before and eventually they will get it right. Maras are not going anywhere. We will move on from Jones and although I do not agree with churning coaches this duo has done little to dig us out of the crater Gettleman left. I am not sold on Daboll because he came from a much better scenario in Buffalo and can’t blame everything wrong with the offense on Jones. Does he need another Josh Allen to shine?
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yes it is bad. We have seen this before and eventually they will get it right. Maras are not going anywhere. We will move on from Jones and although I do not agree with churning coaches this duo has done little to dig us out of the crater Gettleman left. I am not sold on Daboll because he came from a much better scenario in Buffalo and can’t blame everything wrong with the offense on Jones. Does he need another Josh Allen to shine?
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yeah, it’s social media’s fault about the negativity surrounding the team…
As the poster who for years has ended several threads with the notation (1964-1980) I can tell you this is just history repeating itself. And what younger BBIers may not realize is that the team hit rock bottom several years ago and it will stay there for several more seasons. I reckon until at least 2028.
Always be worse but this team seems to be cursed with no end in sight. For those pining to tank (not necessary) for better draft picks, do you really think they will get the picks right?
you are right in the 70s, these clowns are Mara Tech used high draft picks on guys like John Hicks, Gordon King, Al Simpson, Danny Buggs, etc...
Yes it is bad. We have seen this before and eventually they will get it right. Maras are not going anywhere. We will move on from Jones and although I do not agree with churning coaches this duo has done little to dig us out of the crater Gettleman left. I am not sold on Daboll because he came from a much better scenario in Buffalo and can’t blame everything wrong with the offense on Jones. Does he need another Josh Allen to shine?
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yeah, it’s social media’s fault about the negativity surrounding the team…
tried to look at things logically and not be emotional but facts speak loudly about this team and this organization and, more importantly, the Maras who are the ones we always mention in criticisms. When I was 7-9, we were in three straight NFL championships. We didn’t win but we were there. When I was 10-27, we were a joke organization, never made the playoffs until 1981. 82 and 83 were bad years also. 84-90, 7 years, we were not only competitive but a two time champion. 91-96, non-playoff team, 97 playoffs, 2000 SB appearance, 2002 WC game. Then 2005-2008, playoffs and SB, 2011 SB. 2012-2015 awful, 2016 WC, 2017-2021 awful. 2022 playoffs and last two years awful again. So let’s add that up. In 63 years, for me, 19 playoff appearances, 4 Super Bowl, wins, 4 championship losses. That is a 30% playoff success rate.
Since 1992, Philly has made 19 playoff appearances, Dallas 18 appearances since ‘91, Wash only slightly better at 20 appearances since ‘61.
But, as most of us know, we have been uncompetitive in most of those years, out of the running by the end of October. I feel the same way I did at the end of ‘78. I am fed up watching lousy football, watching a lot of players appear uninterested. An ownership that can barely put one foot after another.
I AM NOT COMING BACK UNTIL THEY PUT A DECENT PRODUCT ON THE FIELD. At my age, that might mean the end of watching the Giants.
We were in and won a playoff game just a few seasons ago. That alone ends the comparison to the misery the 60’s and 70’s put us through. And it’s still in recent history we won two spectacular Super Bowls.
This absolutely sucks but I think with time we forget just how bad those years were by comparison.
like Goldstyen, Pisarchik, Dave Brown, Danny Kanell etc and we are in that period of a journeyman quarterback and we are screwed. I can only hope somebody in charge can pick an above average qb like next draft but that seems dubious to me with our current GM and head coach. All I'm wishing is that this current team shows some fight and be competitive the rest of the season. Unfortunately that is probably the ceiling for this team. I am fearing that ownership and administration of this team is proving to be very poor.
Yes it is bad. We have seen this before and eventually they will get it right. Maras are not going anywhere. We will move on from Jones and although I do not agree with churning coaches this duo has done little to dig us out of the crater Gettleman left. I am not sold on Daboll because he came from a much better scenario in Buffalo and can’t blame everything wrong with the offense on Jones. Does he need another Josh Allen to shine?
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yeah, it’s social media’s fault about the negativity surrounding the team…
Guilty conscience?
Not really no. Unlike you, I’m not going to pretend social media is responsible for people being frustrated with the organization or rest on the laurels of 4 Super Bowl wins.
To shop at a store that continually offered inferior products? To buy cars from a manufacturer who continued to build poor cars? To work at an employer who continued to screw over its employees and customers? The list goes on and on. As the previous posters indicated, life's too short to waste on a team which can't / doesn't want to improve. In the 1970's it took Pete Rozelle to step in and mandate George Young as GM. I don't see that happening again.
(though my fandom only goes back to early 70's- I was really young then) because in todays NFL it is designed around quick turn arounds and rebuilds.
The issues for this team seem to be different every year but with a simple core connection and that is we just do not know how to move away from 07 and 2011-like they didn't happen and just focus on what we need to do today and forward.
The Giants have tried to find an ELI clone and they did (sort of) it was just the last two years of Eli and not the heyday version.
This nostalgia is actually hurting us more and more every season. This team is crap and has been crap since 2012- please stop the championship talk and our glory days- we don't have glory days, hell we are glory holes for every other team in the league!
We are now a joke to the league and nobody takes this team seriously. I am all for removing ANYONE from this team to start a true rebuild.. ANYONE!
I am sure you are a passionate fan. My opinion is mine. I am not expecting anyone to agree. There is plenty I read here that I don’t agree with. So let’s chalk it up to we have a different opinion. Not about winning an argument.
in my opinion. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and the path forward was a complete mystery. At least now, we
1: have the knowledge that we have been to and won championships so we know its possible
2: know that rebuilds are largely incremental until the last few pieces unless you hit on the quarterback lottery
3: there is a larger and more qualified pool of staff to pull from so long as the focus is on football. Hiring and staffing, for better or worse, is much more open now. The good old boy network has been the downfall of some of our hiring.
The 70's were a black hole of despair in comparison. We should be looking at the rebuilds of franchises that had abject failures of GMs for multiple years as our timetable, with the clock starting at the end of the Gettleman era. I'm not saying there is a clear light at the end of the present day terrible football, but at least we know we can get out of it with the right people.
Its now become the same to me, which I can't believe I am saying Â
I had no hope in the 70's, and I have no hope until we get a new QB now. Same feeling. Yet we keep rolling DJ out there, and he is about to kill his 4th HC. This has to be a record, terrible players never get to stay around long enough to kill 4 HCs, usually they are gone after 2 or so
IMO, the team is very similar to those years before Super Bowl #1. Poor, poor offense and exceptional Defense. Ask Harry Carson how he felt about those teams. It’s cyclical and we will, at some point come out of this. History tells us so. When is anybody’s question, of course. IMHO, we still need pieces to make us competitive and put us back in the hunt. Most obvious is QB and should be first and foremost. When Simms first came aboard he was not a great QB and it wasn’t until like his 5th or 6th year IIRC that he started to play at a Pro Bowl level. Jones is going to be gone after this season. Getting that QB right will make a huge difference in the whole demeanor and play of the team.
I am sure you are a passionate fan. My opinion is mine. I am not expecting anyone to agree. There is plenty I read here that I don’t agree with. So let’s chalk it up to we have a different opinion. Not about winning an argument.
I've been on BBI since 2005 and we've had a group always grouchy and negative. Most come and go, return with a new alias but the same attitude. Be it on Eli, Coughlin or whomever. Always trying to be the loudest voice in the room. Now I don't blame those voices as why the team has struggled (since 2012), but it's more than one person which some here feel is the issue. It's frustrating for all the Giants fans and most just want radical changes and for this team to start winning.
is a Pete Rozelle move out of Roger Goodell taking this team out of the Mara's hands again. If this doesn't happen nothing will change, not now not ever.
If we do hire another GM, what will his mandate be? Â
Will he be told to build a Super Bowl winner or draft a quarterback? Everyone here is assuming that, since Daniel Jones is mediocre, we absolutely have to draft a qb with the first pick. I was really hoping last year that we would lose twice to the Commanders so we would have a shot at Williams, Daniels or Maye because those guys had a lot of potential. It doesn't look like there will be anyone like that next year. What if there's someone like Sewell available and he's rated way above any of the quarterbacks? It might just get us closer to the Super Bowl to draft the offensive lineman and wait a year or two for a quarterback. Just saying sucking for another year would be better than starting another Daniel Jones cycle.
The Gmen were terrible when I was a kid, but they were lovable losers in a way. We knew they could only get better through the draft and it would take years. And it did. We hoped they'd play well, and the defense was always decent. It was frustrating, but we knew the hand we were dealt was the hand we were dealt and getting better was probably not going to happen for awhile. It took about 17 years.
Now? It's not the same. Free agency and the salary cap dictates that the tables change rapidly. How this team can essentially go ELEVEN YEARS with no appreciable improvement is almost impossible. We've had plenty of high draft picks. Most don't pan out. We've brought in high dollar free agents. Most don't pan out. We've brought in staff after staff. Nothing gets better. The fundamental overriding situation is ownership. It's the only thing that hasn't changed. Decision making from the top must be the problem, Occsam's Razor and all.
Granted, there's been bad luck with injuries and very poor timing with regards to allocation of resources beyond their control (i.e., having to sign Jones and tag Barkley, after he refused their offer, having to choose their poison with fixing the line or paying Barkley, not having the resources to move up just a couple spots to get a QB, having a bona fide tackle fall to #7 as a consensus 10 year starter fail miserably, etc) have hamstrung the team going forward.
That all said, this time for me is much more miserable when you see teams get better over a couple of seasons and it's still a team who's fans are talking about the draft in mid October. I'm just so done with it all.
For the simple fact that rebuilds happened so fast in this league for other teams it is so easy to do, but we can’t get it right because we have a moronic owner who doesn’t fire his family or buddies. Not to mention the rule changes in this league help offenses and you can almost score points on accident.
And that was such a dark period-it got to the point where we all had other teams we cheered for during the playoff run...
I always liked the Vikings during that period.
If I extrapolate back 7-8 years to the mid 6o's,I can only say the late 60s thru the entire decade of the 70s into 1980 was worse....
And have made the playoffs 2x in the last 10 yrs...so this is no where near as dark as the late 60s-1980 run of incompetence...
Unfortunately, making the playoffs in 2022 was one of the worst things that has happened to this team in recent memory - right up there with the Plaxico self-inflicted gunshot wound.
That playoff appearance solidified Mara's man crush on DJ thereby setting us back several years.
I think this is worse. In a league where it's now not uncommon to go from worst to first, we are stuck in the gutter (with the exception of the 2022 mirage and DJ's "good" season).
The owner seems clueless as to how to turn things around and is driven more by player popularity and his fondness for certain individuals.
Note to Mara - WIN and all your players become much more popular.
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yeah, it’s social media’s fault about the negativity surrounding the team…
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Yes it is bad. We have seen this before and eventually they will get it right. Maras are not going anywhere. We will move on from Jones and although I do not agree with churning coaches this duo has done little to dig us out of the crater Gettleman left. I am not sold on Daboll because he came from a much better scenario in Buffalo and can’t blame everything wrong with the offense on Jones. Does he need another Josh Allen to shine?
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yeah, it’s social media’s fault about the negativity surrounding the team…
Guilty conscience?
Since 1992, Philly has made 19 playoff appearances, Dallas 18 appearances since ‘91, Wash only slightly better at 20 appearances since ‘61.
But, as most of us know, we have been uncompetitive in most of those years, out of the running by the end of October. I feel the same way I did at the end of ‘78. I am fed up watching lousy football, watching a lot of players appear uninterested. An ownership that can barely put one foot after another.
I AM NOT COMING BACK UNTIL THEY PUT A DECENT PRODUCT ON THE FIELD. At my age, that might mean the end of watching the Giants.
This absolutely sucks but I think with time we forget just how bad those years were by comparison.
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Yes it is bad. We have seen this before and eventually they will get it right. Maras are not going anywhere. We will move on from Jones and although I do not agree with churning coaches this duo has done little to dig us out of the crater Gettleman left. I am not sold on Daboll because he came from a much better scenario in Buffalo and can’t blame everything wrong with the offense on Jones. Does he need another Josh Allen to shine?
Unfortunately, social media is responsible for too much of the negativity about the team. For me it is a turn off to read the same whining everyday. I have seen 4 SB winners and will continue to watch every game.
Yeah, it’s social media’s fault about the negativity surrounding the team…
Guilty conscience?
Not really no. Unlike you, I’m not going to pretend social media is responsible for people being frustrated with the organization or rest on the laurels of 4 Super Bowl wins.
The issues for this team seem to be different every year but with a simple core connection and that is we just do not know how to move away from 07 and 2011-like they didn't happen and just focus on what we need to do today and forward.
The Giants have tried to find an ELI clone and they did (sort of) it was just the last two years of Eli and not the heyday version.
This nostalgia is actually hurting us more and more every season. This team is crap and has been crap since 2012- please stop the championship talk and our glory days- we don't have glory days, hell we are glory holes for every other team in the league!
We are now a joke to the league and nobody takes this team seriously. I am all for removing ANYONE from this team to start a true rebuild.. ANYONE!
This!!!
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Worse with free agency. Back then you could keep the Mendenhalls and the Van Pelts. Now, they leave for greener pastures.
This!!!
Today every team has these same issues. Most just seem to handle it better than we do.
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1: have the knowledge that we have been to and won championships so we know its possible
2: know that rebuilds are largely incremental until the last few pieces unless you hit on the quarterback lottery
3: there is a larger and more qualified pool of staff to pull from so long as the focus is on football. Hiring and staffing, for better or worse, is much more open now. The good old boy network has been the downfall of some of our hiring.
The 70's were a black hole of despair in comparison. We should be looking at the rebuilds of franchises that had abject failures of GMs for multiple years as our timetable, with the clock starting at the end of the Gettleman era. I'm not saying there is a clear light at the end of the present day terrible football, but at least we know we can get out of it with the right people.
Alex Webster/Andy Robustelli/Rocky Thompson
I do agree that the fish rots from the head, and the last nail in the coffin for me will be when Mara insists on Arch Manning no matter what in 2026.
It's the "Giants Way" that's the problem.
I've been on BBI since 2005 and we've had a group always grouchy and negative. Most come and go, return with a new alias but the same attitude. Be it on Eli, Coughlin or whomever. Always trying to be the loudest voice in the room. Now I don't blame those voices as why the team has struggled (since 2012), but it's more than one person which some here feel is the issue. It's frustrating for all the Giants fans and most just want radical changes and for this team to start winning.
Now? It's not the same. Free agency and the salary cap dictates that the tables change rapidly. How this team can essentially go ELEVEN YEARS with no appreciable improvement is almost impossible. We've had plenty of high draft picks. Most don't pan out. We've brought in high dollar free agents. Most don't pan out. We've brought in staff after staff. Nothing gets better. The fundamental overriding situation is ownership. It's the only thing that hasn't changed. Decision making from the top must be the problem, Occsam's Razor and all.
Granted, there's been bad luck with injuries and very poor timing with regards to allocation of resources beyond their control (i.e., having to sign Jones and tag Barkley, after he refused their offer, having to choose their poison with fixing the line or paying Barkley, not having the resources to move up just a couple spots to get a QB, having a bona fide tackle fall to #7 as a consensus 10 year starter fail miserably, etc) have hamstrung the team going forward.
That all said, this time for me is much more miserable when you see teams get better over a couple of seasons and it's still a team who's fans are talking about the draft in mid October. I'm just so done with it all.
For the simple fact that rebuilds happened so fast in this league for other teams it is so easy to do, but we can’t get it right because we have a moronic owner who doesn’t fire his family or buddies. Not to mention the rule changes in this league help offenses and you can almost score points on accident.
I always liked the Vikings during that period.
If I extrapolate back 7-8 years to the mid 6o's,I can only say the late 60s thru the entire decade of the 70s into 1980 was worse....
Unfortunately, making the playoffs in 2022 was one of the worst things that has happened to this team in recent memory - right up there with the Plaxico self-inflicted gunshot wound.
That playoff appearance solidified Mara's man crush on DJ thereby setting us back several years.
The owner seems clueless as to how to turn things around and is driven more by player popularity and his fondness for certain individuals.
Note to Mara - WIN and all your players become much more popular.