right now according to tankathon.
(pending Ray in Arlington official thread, - speaking of Ray where is he? I expected to see him before Halloween but really only because as Giants fans meaningful November football means losing to get a better pick most of the time the past decade plus).
I'm not a fan of tanking (and I don't think it's really all that controllable). But I am someone who wants to eliminate all excuses.
Sometimes you need to hit the absolute bottom of rock bottom to fix it. I'm not saying only the top QB picked can fix things, and these issues go beyond QB. But they do start there.
The underlying problem is that the Giants view the QB position like it is still 1980. They draft a guy, and the job is his regardless of performance because he is “The QB of the New York Giants.” This is why they use first round picks on QBs so rarely, and why they don’t draft developmental guys. In their view, the absolute worst thing in football is not being a consistent basement dweller, but having a QB controversy.
This team has to be looking to upgrade the QB position. That does not mean falling in love with a guy like Beck or Ward and then either mortgaging the future to get him, or passing on it for another year. If Daboll is retained he needs to do what he was brought here to do - develop a QB. If there is only one or two guys each year he can turn into a functional NFL QB, why do we need him?
I don’t care if they are picking 1st, 3rd, 9th or 15th - they need to seriously consider the QBs they can get and who they can develop. Maybe that means passing on a QB in round 1, but it absolutely is not what they have done since 2019 which is “Don’t draft a QB because it may upset our rightful QB.”
my point is I don't want to hear "we picked 4th in a 3 QB draft" (for example) - to remove any whining and excuses, if you pick 1, it's all 100% on you.
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Maybe they are, maybe they're not, but whoever is if they pick 1 have no excuses.
In fact, if the Giants have the #1 pick might be better to clean house than if they don't.
Bring in a new GM - who brings in "his" coach, and they get "their QB" and then the ledger is wiped clean no "We're still cleaning up Gettleman's messes" 3 years later from the fans or media. it shouldn't take this long in the NFL to turn around the team - but it does take a good QB decision, but that's not the only factor even if its the most important.
Maybe they are, maybe they're not, but whoever is if they pick 1 have no excuses.
In fact, if the Giants have the #1 pick might be better to clean house than if they don't.
Bring in a new GM - who brings in "his" coach, and they get "their QB" and then the ledger is wiped clean no "We're still cleaning up Gettleman's messes" 3 years later from the fans or media. it shouldn't take this long in the NFL to turn around the team - but it does take a good QB decision, but that's not the only factor even if its the most important.
My preference is to sweep out Schoen and Daboll. But how does a new regime pick its future franchise QB when they haven't been out in the field like Joe Schoen and his crew? Fire Schoen and keep his crew?
WTF are you talking about? I missed last years draft? it's almost exactly why I'm saying they need to pick #1.
The only game they have a chance to be favored in for the rest of the season is the Panther game. The last game of the year is the Eagles. If the Eagles don't need to win that game it would be in character for both the Eagles and the Giants for the Eagles to lay down and the Giants to play it like a playoff game.
If you're a Giants fan you should understand by now that our best chance to ever root for a competitive team again is for them to lose every remaining game this year. The only things that the Mara's respond to are an empty stadium, an angry fan base and most importantly bad press. John Mara was questioned more than he could handle about his brother and nephew when Schoen and Daboll were hired. It's going to happen again. He won't like it.
The GM and HC have not earned a 4th year. They both deserve to be fired.
Joe Schoen's drafts have been terrible. I won't go through all of his picks but the 3 OLs he drafted in top 3 rounds are all complete busts. Kayvon is JAG. Banks has on field character issues. Robinson was way over drafted. There's not enough talent on this team. The Giants don't have one legit NFL DT on their roster except Dexter. Unacceptable after 3 years. No return for letting Barkley and McKinney leave as FAs. And that QB contract without a competent backup enough said. There is no case to let him continue to build the roster.
Brian Daboll is a bad HC. His biggest offense is the lack of development of the players his GM partner has drafted. He has given up on Evan Neal, Daniel Bellinger and Jalin Hyatt. He took over the play calling this year and his plan has been to throw short to the same two receivers over and over regardless of what the opposing defense is doing. Maybe it's his lack of confidence in the QB who the entire league has had figured out since mid 2022. It doesn't matter at this point. He has shown nothing in his three years to make anyone think he's the long term answer at HC.
Starting over again is exhausting as a fan but the Giants can't run it back with a GM and HC that can't win division games. they're 4-10-1 vs the NFC East 0-3 this year.
0-5 vs Dallas next game on Thanksgiving in Dallas will make it 0-6.
1-4 vs the Eagles the one win was the last game of last year that the Eagles tanked by resting their starters for the playoffs. Next game in Philadelphia last game of this season. A game the Giants will probably need to lose and the Eagles will probably try to let them win.
3-1-1 vs the Commanders 0-1 vs Jayden Daniels. Next game in two week at Met Life. Daniels is week to week with a rib injury. Hopefully he can play. The Giants don't need any meaningless cheap wins.
This is sequential.
Worry about the performance now.
Draft after the season.
This is sequential.
Worry about the performance now.
Draft after the season.
Seriously?
I'm a human being with a functioning brain, I can, in fact, watch the performance now and (here comes the shock to you) also pay attention to and be aware of 2025 draft position. My brain doesn't just work based on sequential actions like I guess yours does.
some other members of my species are able to do this too.
I guess we're pretty advanced.