Jones flushed outside the pocket - never a throw to someone

Not surprising that a guy who is afraid to throw into small windows will not pull the trigger in a situation where windows get even smaller.

When he starts rolling to the right I wish he would just take off and run. Everytime he throws it in bounds it feels like a pick waiting to happen.

He’s afraid to throw anything deep and/or off script. I mean he completed 14 passes for 99 yards. Thats pathetic in todays NFL.

I've also noticed. Piling on, I'd throw out that this is a scenario where the best QBs in the league seem to excel.

When we were kids, we used to diagram plays in the dirt or on the palm of our hands. If the route was run and you were covered, we would tell them to just get open.

I see other NFL QB's take the time to scramble and then make plays to guys who get open or are breaking open.

Jones just either tries to run or throw it out of bounds. His mind just doesn't allow him to look around and make a play. This is every year...not just yesterday.

It must be frustrating to all the receivers knowing he is either going to throw behind you, overthrow you, underthrow you or just ignore you!

I sit low in the end zone, and from my view it is maddening how the receivers NEVER break when Jones is in trouble to give him a target to improvise to.

My section has been pointing that out ALL year.

I want Jones gone as much as the next guy.

But these receivers flat out suck at that.

Me thinks it is coaching.

Throwing on the move. Athletically, he is limited as a straight-line guy; guys who are less gifted (smaller, slower) are better playmakers because they can adjust and make those quick movements that DJ cannot. Honestly, I think he could have been a decent TE - tough, straight line speed, hard worker, etc. He just has limited agility, can’t juke guys, can’t change direction, just too many limitations - he really should be better given his athletic gifts, but he plays ‘slow’. Time to pull the plug.

putting a player who struggles to process in a sustained situation with continuous coordinator change, no OL and no reliable skill players, and then thinking he'll magically just be a good quarterback if you fix those things years later

Jones likely was never going to be a good quarterback, even if given a great situation, the fact that he had years of arguably the worst situation any QB could go into just makes this whole idea of it working out even more laughable.

Taking Nabers and signing Lock set us back at least a year. Maybe we'll have the sense to move on finally.

PS I like DJ as a human being and thought Nabers was WR1 since October of last year. We have no QB.

Hit Nabors on the sidelines and Nabors knocked himself out. Last week hit bellinger in the middle of the field.
Not saying he is consistent or defending him but it's not 100% correct

In comment 16655974 regischarlotte said:

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I sit low in the end zone, and from my view it is maddening how the receivers NEVER break when Jones is in trouble to give him a target to improvise to. My section has been pointing that out ALL year. I want Jones gone as much as the next guy. But these receivers flat out suck at that. Me thinks it is coaching.

Just to play devil's advocate - if you know (or believe with relatively high certainty) that your QB is not going to throw it during a scramble drill, wouldn't you actually advise your receivers to allow themselves to "stay covered" (essentially) so they can shift to blocking once DJ breaks contain?

What's the benefit of running away from defenders if the QB won't throw it? All they'd be doing is removing themselves from a blocking opportunity in that scenario. Conversely, that does mean that those receivers are never opening themselves up for a pass anyway, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy to assume that DJ won't throw once he leaves the pocket.

IMO it's hard to get a sense of whether certain actions are part of the problem with a bad offense, or if they are desperate attempts to cobble any sort of offense out of a dysfunctional group of players on that side of the ball (starting with a flawed/limited QB). Given how many other decisions Daboll appears to be trying to take care of on DJ's behalf before the ball is ever snapped, I'm inclined to believe it's the latter rather than the former, but that's purely my opinion.

Do they even practice scramble plays is the question

passing, unless its a designed bootleg, requires fast processing and decision making, neither of which Jones has shown to date. I also think that he takes his eyes off the downfield at that point. You never even see a pump fake, only hesitations.

WR's who have played for the Giants during the Jones era suddenly forgot what to do during a scramble drill. It's on the QB.

and is like - yo come help me out...watch some film with me; help me bro!

That allowed the defender to play both Jones and himself. I see a lot of curl routes with players standing still when the play breaks down and there seems to be zero improvising. The suck is a team effort no matter how much we want to blame one player.

put on a clinic yesterday in how to make OL look worse than it is in situations. Hurts is somewhat like Jones - not a quick mind at play or in how to work defenses in sequence, audibles, situations.

Combined they had about six or seven sacks, plus a couple run situations for minimal gain, where they literally moved into pocket pressure or froze into a sack.

In comment 16656116 DC Gmen Fan said:

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and is like - yo come help me out...watch some film with me; help me bro!

So I think Jones probably can identify everything going on on film. He's probably great in the film room. Sundays are another matter.

In comment 16656194 FStubbs said:

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In comment 16656116 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: and is like - yo come help me out...watch some film with me; help me bro! So I think Jones probably can identify everything going on on film. He's probably great in the film room. Sundays are another matter.

He should get therapy staying centered and focused in pressure moments.

In comment 16656214 MotownGIANTS said:

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In comment 16656194 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 16656116 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: and is like - yo come help me out...watch some film with me; help me bro! So I think Jones probably can identify everything going on on film. He's probably great in the film room. Sundays are another matter. He should get therapy staying centered and focused in pressure moments.

What kind of therapy is that? I'd love to take that

The Giants still have bad receivers other than Malik Nabers. Usually when you see DJ rolling out of the pocket and they show what's going on downfield, the receivers are just standing there. I don't see anybody with any football awareness or working back to the ball. Just aimlessly drifting.

That said, Jones just isn't a playmaker in any sense of the word.

One of the many things that sets Jones apart from good QBs who also happen to be mobile and run is that the good ones routinely make plays down the field when flushed out of the pocket. Jones NEVER does. NEVER. He doesn't even attempt the pass.

In comment 16656315 Matt M. said:

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One of the many things that sets Jones apart from good QBs who also happen to be mobile and run is that the good ones routinely make plays down the field when flushed out of the pocket. Jones NEVER does. NEVER. He doesn't even attempt the pass.

NEVER is harsh, and correct.

I can't think of one play in his career where he rolls from pressure and heaves it deep.

Every QB in the league does it.