Clip linked below. Blames the decision to let Barkley walk on Schoen.
He believes both Mara & Daboll wanted Barkley back. He implies Schoen not knowing Philly wanted Barkley is bad when the whole league thought they did. Link - ( New Window )
the laughing stock of the NFL.
They're wrong, but they can feel like they're right, because we're so awful.
What's worrying is the Belichick is so openly derisive about Schoen. Is Belichick still close to Mara or not? Do we read anything into that?
Everything I've read is that they have not been as close since the Joe Judge atrocity because that was Belichick's recommendation to Mara for head coach.
The Brian Flores/Brian Daboll text message fuck up probably didn't help things either.
The objective is to get good players at as many positions as possible and let the HC and the coordinators design an offense and defense to utilize them, not to mechanically follow some positional value chart. They chose the worst player and gave him the biggest contract. You pay Barkley, which is far less expensive than a qb, get a qb to hand off and spend the savings on bulldozers on the o-line.
RB's are not "fungible." How is SF doing this season without McCaffery? How are the Titans offense or the Raiders offenses without Henry or Jacobs? There are some RB's that DC's have to account for and that leaves openings somewhere else. There are others, like we now have, that no DC is going to waste time changing anything to stop them.
Now some of this is attributable to our old friend Dave G. What you don't do is spend the second pick in the draft on an RB and then spend the #6 pick on a qb. What if instead of drafting Jones, Dave traded down and picked up a Lindstrom and/or a second round tackle? What if instead of having to look for pass blockers, you are looking for road graders as o-linemen because you are going to ground and pound. Steelers anyone?
"Although they recognized the possibility of being caught flat-footed, Giants co-owner John Mara says they were still attempting to compete at the time so they gambled on keeping Barkley.
“I hate trading guys right at the trade deadline because it almost signals that you’re giving up on the season,” Mara said this week at the Annual League Meeting, via the New York Daily News. “And Saquon, I was still hoping to be able to sign him at some point. It’s unfortunate we weren’t able to do it.”
RE: RE: Why is there never a mention that Barkley turned down a NYG contract
And a bigger contract than he signed with Philly for. That doesn’t matter now that it’s convenient to blame this on Schoen. We can all just pretend that didn’t happen.
Exactly
That was this season. What happened the season before? They franchised Barkley and paid Denny Dimwit.
I hope nobody at 1925 Giants Way sees that because BB basically said Jones has no chance with this OL and suggested in a roundabout way Jones could succeed otherwise.
2025 here we come. Daniel Jones voyage number seven as the NYG QB.
And I don't know what to think about his comments on Barkley because BB hasn't used a big brand RB since the Cory Dillon days.
I hope nobody at 1925 Giants Way sees that because BB basically said Jones has no chance with this OL and suggested in a roundabout way Jones could succeed otherwise.
2025 here we come. Daniel Jones voyage number seven as the NYG QB.
And I don't know what to think about his comments on Barkley because BB hasn't used a big brand RB since the Cory Dillon days.
You don't say. Well, he did have Tom Brady so rb wasn't as important as when you have say, Daniel Jones, as the qb. It also didn't stop BB from drafting Michel in the first round, James White, signing Blount, drafting Stevenson or Harris in rounds 3 and 4. He did come from the Big Bill P school.
Winning is all that matters, neither was winning games here. Even in Barkley great rookie season we lost.
Barkley is having a good season, it’s not a shock. Can he string multiple good seasons together? He never did here. Barkley could get up for single games but I don’t think it will last. It’s a gamble not worth taking.
I was a Jones supporter but the proof is in the results. He can play well at times but he can perform well consistently and can’t raise the talent around him. Let him ride it out, hopefully we wind up in the top 5 and grab a starting QB.
It’s that simple
Barkley wouldn't improve our current team one but.
And a bigger contract than he signed with Philly for. That doesn’t matter now that it’s convenient to blame this on Schoen. We can all just pretend that didn’t happen.
That doesn't align with the reporting at the time.
And a bigger contract than he signed with Philly for. That doesn’t matter now that it’s convenient to blame this on Schoen. We can all just pretend that didn’t happen.
That doesn't align with the reporting at the time.
The veracity of that Florio report was called into question a number of times. Not only does the report not include the years of the term, it also doesn't include the guarantees.
Dunleavy reported the Giants best and final was:
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The Giants’ final three-year offer was $11 million per year with guarantees between $22 million and $23 million, multiple sources told the Post.
Dunleavy was corroborated by Garafolo as well.
Could the Giants have offered a shitty agreement with overall higher numbers, with lower guarantees, and unfavorable terms? Sure.
Belichick's teams during his last two years. BB may be the greatest coach of the 2000s and 2010s, but he also had the benefit of having the GOAT QB, who immediately won another SB after leaving BB, while BB's teams went to complete shit.
I'm fine with NYG moving on from Daboll, or Schoen too, but maybe they should try and hire someone who has been successful (either as a HC or at least a coordinator) at some point in the past half decade.
RE: What's crazy is that Daboll and Schoen's team outperformed
Belichick's teams during his last two years. BB may be the greatest coach of the 2000s and 2010s, but he also had the benefit of having the GOAT QB, who immediately won another SB after leaving BB, while BB's teams went to complete shit.
I'm fine with NYG moving on from Daboll, or Schoen too, but maybe they should try and hire someone who has been successful (either as a HC or at least a coordinator) at some point in the past half decade.
we've played coordinator roulette 4 times in a row unsuccessfully. Macadoo was a "known quantity" here, Shurmur was coming off ast of the year, Judge was young/dynamic personality, Daboll was also an ast of the year type when hired. 3 different GMs were involved in those 4 hiring processes. Hard pass on another hire without a winning track record as a HC.
"winning track record as HC" basically narrows the list down to Vrabel and Belichick. Stefanski if he gets fired. and Flores lol.
"winning track record as HC" basically narrows the list down to Vrabel and Belichick. Stefanski if he gets fired. and Flores lol.
Hiring Flores would be the best football decision, and also confirm this is not an NFL organization but a sports-themed knock off of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
I'll die on the hill that signing a running back to a second contract is a mistake.
they replaced barkley with a same aged running back on a 3rd contract. not as big, not as explosive, fumbles more, but cheap enough they could more easily afford to waste $5m on lock.
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the laughing stock of the NFL.
They're wrong, but they can feel like they're right, because we're so awful.
What's worrying is the Belichick is so openly derisive about Schoen. Is Belichick still close to Mara or not? Do we read anything into that?
Everything I've read is that they have not been as close since the Joe Judge atrocity because that was Belichick's recommendation to Mara for head coach.
The Brian Flores/Brian Daboll text message fuck up probably didn't help things either.
I’m with you
RB's are not "fungible." How is SF doing this season without McCaffery? How are the Titans offense or the Raiders offenses without Henry or Jacobs? There are some RB's that DC's have to account for and that leaves openings somewhere else. There are others, like we now have, that no DC is going to waste time changing anything to stop them.
Now some of this is attributable to our old friend Dave G. What you don't do is spend the second pick in the draft on an RB and then spend the #6 pick on a qb. What if instead of drafting Jones, Dave traded down and picked up a Lindstrom and/or a second round tackle? What if instead of having to look for pass blockers, you are looking for road graders as o-linemen because you are going to ground and pound. Steelers anyone?
“I hate trading guys right at the trade deadline because it almost signals that you’re giving up on the season,” Mara said this week at the Annual League Meeting, via the New York Daily News. “And Saquon, I was still hoping to be able to sign him at some point. It’s unfortunate we weren’t able to do it.”
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And a bigger contract than he signed with Philly for. That doesn’t matter now that it’s convenient to blame this on Schoen. We can all just pretend that didn’t happen.
Exactly
2025 here we come. Daniel Jones voyage number seven as the NYG QB.
And I don't know what to think about his comments on Barkley because BB hasn't used a big brand RB since the Cory Dillon days.
2025 here we come. Daniel Jones voyage number seven as the NYG QB.
And I don't know what to think about his comments on Barkley because BB hasn't used a big brand RB since the Cory Dillon days.
While I agree not spending on Barkley was the right move, the guys he did spend on, mostly suck.
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Not blowing a lot of money on him was a good decision.
While I agree not spending on Barkley was the right move, the guys he did spend on, mostly suck.
Who?
Barkley is having a good season, it’s not a shock. Can he string multiple good seasons together? He never did here. Barkley could get up for single games but I don’t think it will last. It’s a gamble not worth taking.
I was a Jones supporter but the proof is in the results. He can play well at times but he can perform well consistently and can’t raise the talent around him. Let him ride it out, hopefully we wind up in the top 5 and grab a starting QB.
It’s that simple
That doesn't align with the reporting at the time.
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And a bigger contract than he signed with Philly for. That doesn’t matter now that it’s convenient to blame this on Schoen. We can all just pretend that didn’t happen.
That doesn't align with the reporting at the time.
Well here’s the reporting.
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Dunleavy reported the Giants best and final was:
Dunleavy was corroborated by Garafolo as well.
Could the Giants have offered a shitty agreement with overall higher numbers, with lower guarantees, and unfavorable terms? Sure.
Because it shows how off we are on player evaluations
100%. Not only could we have gotten value for SB, but we could have ensured he went outside the division.
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The crime was not getting anything of value for Saquon
Because it shows how off we are on player evaluations
100%. Not only could we have gotten value for SB, but we could have ensured he went outside the division.
Mara is too sentimental and foolish for that.
To players who dont even win games.
Belichick torched Jones with one word
Right.
I'm fine with NYG moving on from Daboll, or Schoen too, but maybe they should try and hire someone who has been successful (either as a HC or at least a coordinator) at some point in the past half decade.
I'm fine with NYG moving on from Daboll, or Schoen too, but maybe they should try and hire someone who has been successful (either as a HC or at least a coordinator) at some point in the past half decade.
we've played coordinator roulette 4 times in a row unsuccessfully. Macadoo was a "known quantity" here, Shurmur was coming off ast of the year, Judge was young/dynamic personality, Daboll was also an ast of the year type when hired. 3 different GMs were involved in those 4 hiring processes. Hard pass on another hire without a winning track record as a HC.
"winning track record as HC" basically narrows the list down to Vrabel and Belichick. Stefanski if he gets fired. and Flores lol.
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Good QBs are not.
how’s that fungible thing working for us
It's working about as well as it can for a team without a QB.
RBs are fungible. Good QBs are not. The Giants are actually proving that, not disproving it.
Hiring Flores would be the best football decision, and also confirm this is not an NFL organization but a sports-themed knock off of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
they replaced barkley with a same aged running back on a 3rd contract. not as big, not as explosive, fumbles more, but cheap enough they could more easily afford to waste $5m on lock.