Going back to how that season unfolded, we won 9 games, went to the playoffs & won a playoff games. Yes Jones won a playoff game & had 4th quarter comebacks, but who was the main reason of that success: Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkely? Until we sign Hodgins, we didn't really have much of a threat in the passing game beside Slayton. I believe once Hodgins came, that did help Jones; I think the biggest threat of that offense was Saquon/Jones run regarding the rushing attack. Yes we beat the Raven & Jaguars (who were both playoff teams), but most of our wins that year was against bad teams (barely won against most of those team beside the Colts). I am starting to think letting Saquon go was a mistake; he did wanted to be a Giant & unfortunately there was never an agreement from both sides. I think having the threat of Saquon with Nabers would been nice; not saying the result of how our season played this season would change, but it would certainly make defense pay more attention to Nabers/Barkley.
Have to give Daniel Jones credit for that season since he played better/won a playoff game, but it was only 1 good season, while Barkley had more success in multiple years (even when he miss time). Saquon carried that offense that year and he was the reason we went to the playoffs that year.
Giving that contract to Jones was a big mistake and a big reason we are in this mess now. There was high expectation of going into 2023 season (which I dont blame), but did people really expected Jones to take it to the next level and be a top quarterback in the NFL? Prior to that year, he miss time, was inconsistent, did't elevate the team, & never won in a big moments.
Granted while Jones didn't improve, we didn't help him since he was surrounded/part of a bad team.
Having said all of that, I am not sure if having Barkley here would make our record better, but it would help. Yes Saquon is getting not the same player he was in 2018/getting older, but he still having success with the Eagles (better offensive line). Wonder how he would look with this line before Thomas got hurt. This team is not rebuilding, they are trying to win (getting burns, getting Nubin, upgrading the line, getting Okereke, drafting Nabers). We should had kept Saquon.
And therefore they talked themselves into the fact that Schoen paying $40M for that made sense since top QBs salaries were rising so quickly.
The simply flaw was Jones was never a top QB. Not even close. And a lot of people missed it.
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
And therefore they talked themselves into the fact that Schoen paying $40M for that made sense since top QBs salaries were rising so quickly.
The simply flaw was Jones was never a top QB. Not even close. And a lot of people missed it.
Just cause you have 1 good year doesn't mean you will be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. Top 10 quarterback have back to back good season.
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one of the top QBs in the NFL. Not elite level, but Top 10.
And therefore they talked themselves into the fact that Schoen paying $40M for that made sense since top QBs salaries were rising so quickly.
The simply flaw was Jones was never a top QB. Not even close. And a lot of people missed it.
Just cause you have 1 good year doesn't mean you will be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. Top 10 quarterback have back to back good season.
Just cause you have 1 good year doesn't mean you will be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. Top 10 quarterback have back to back good season
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And he still sucks
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
The Giants were like 24-46-1 with Barkley. It wouldn’t have made a difference
Bidding against themselves in a transaction that makes Schoen look like a bigger fool than Gettleman.
And that's the biggest insult you can get in NY.
This year's NYG team is completely awful, yet could easily be 4-3 if a few things went different in two of the WSH, DAL or Cinci games. That's how the NFL is. There's a lot of close games that can go either way. Usually these even out somewhat over the course of a season, but often enough, 1 or 2 teams end up having the coin come up "heads" 80% of the time for a season and delude themselves into thinking they are a good team. The reality check for these teams is pretty harsh, unless they actually are honest with themselves and make real improvments the following season.
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And he still sucks
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
The Giants were like 24-46-1 with Barkley. It wouldn’t have made a difference
Yes because we weren't a good team before. We can say that our team in 2024 is close to a better team that has a chance to win games and compete for the playoffs. Saquon was our offense in years prior and getting rid of him and keeping Jones was a big mistake.
Andrew Thomas played a full season and was great. If anyone carried the Giants offense it was him. The points scored splits with him in/out of the lineup are insane. He is the guy.
This year's NYG team is completely awful, yet could easily be 4-3 if a few things went different in two of the WSH, DAL or Cinci games. That's how the NFL is. There's a lot of close games that can go either way. Usually these even out somewhat over the course of a season, but often enough, 1 or 2 teams end up having the coin come up "heads" 80% of the time for a season and delude themselves into thinking they are a good team. The reality check for these teams is pretty harsh, unless they actually are honest with themselves and make real improvments the following season.
Agree that the team wasn't as good as our record was that year. A big reason for success was Saquon that year and letting him go was a mistake. We were in rebuilding mode and people thinking winning games mean the team is a superbowl contenders. it take time to build a team
Andrew Thomas played a full season and was great. If anyone carried the Giants offense it was him. The points scored splits with him in/out of the lineup are insane. He is the guy.
Agree. But not having a backup tackle or resigning Barkley was a mistake.
If we kept 1 of them, it should be Saquon. But I agree if we are in a complete rebuild, letting both of them go is a good idea.
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And he still sucks
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
The Giants were like 24-46-1 with Barkley. It wouldn’t have made a difference
Yes because we weren't a good team before. We can say that our team in 2024 is close to a better team that has a chance to win games and compete for the playoffs. Saquon was our offense in years prior and getting rid of him and keeping Jones was a big mistake.
You’re still not getting it. They added Nabers and the offense is just as bad as it was last year.
It’s the QB. Doesn’t matter who else you put on offense until the QB is upgraded
I don't think the win did any damage. It was fun. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people - ownership, front office, media, fans - can't assess the situation objectively and intelligently.
If the Giants had been intelligent and let both Jones and Barkley sign elsewhere as free agents after 2022, a legion of mouth breathing children who couldn't think past the next ten seconds would have freaked out. And unfortunately ownership listens to those mouth breathing children.
This whole situation - and this goes back to 2013 - developed from a complete unwillingness to be honest with ourselves about the deepest fundamental issues this team has faced.
We didn't want to accept that Eli was falling off a cliff around 2014.
We didn't want to accept that Gettleman was an asshole.
We didn't want to accept that drafting a RB #2 overall was stupid.
We didn't want to accept that Daniel Jones sucks.
We didn't want to accept that the Maras don't know football, and the only good things in the Super Bowl are that have happened under their watch came courtesy of George Young and Ernie Accorsi.
We didn't want to accept that no one outside of us gives a shit about the Super Bowl wins over the Pats anymore; the NFL has moved on. The smart organizations have lapped the Giants and left them in the dust.
Until the Giants stop staring into their own navels and buy themselves a fucking calendar this shit is going to keep happening.
Bidding against themselves in a transaction that makes Schoen look like a bigger fool than Gettleman.
And that's the biggest insult you can get in NY.
Saquon is a better player than Daniel Jones, not even close. Saquon that year was our offense and he was the reason we went to the playoffs that year. Yes Jones help, but it was mainly Saquon. The problem is because people think Jones did okay 1 year, oh he is the franchise quarterback and we need to pay him like an elite quarterback. I don't blame people in that moment, but you have to be realistic. Who is more consistent: Barkely or Jones? Were learning that the hard way now.
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And he still sucks
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
The Giants were like 24-46-1 with Barkley. It wouldn’t have made a difference
Yes because we weren't a good team before. We can say that our team in 2024 is close to a better team that has a chance to win games and compete for the playoffs. Saquon was our offense in years prior and getting rid of him and keeping Jones was a big mistake.
You’re still not getting it. They added Nabers and the offense is just as bad as it was last year.
It’s the QB. Doesn’t matter who else you put on offense until the QB is upgraded
I agree the problem is the quarterback. What I am saying is because Saquon is/was our offense in prior years, we should had sign a contract with him over Jones. We should had kept him for this season instead letting him go to the Eagles. If we franchise Jones for the 2023 season for 1 year, at least we can have a stop gap quarterback with Nabers and Saquon this year & who know what this team would look like. We gave the contract to the wrong person and let go of Saquon instead of Jones.
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I hate saying this, but that WC win did more harm than good long term.
I don't think the win did any damage. It was fun. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people - ownership, front office, media, fans - can't assess the situation objectively and intelligently.
If the Giants had been intelligent and let both Jones and Barkley sign elsewhere as free agents after 2022, a legion of mouth breathing children who couldn't think past the next ten seconds would have freaked out. And unfortunately ownership listens to those mouth breathing children.
This whole situation - and this goes back to 2013 - developed from a complete unwillingness to be honest with ourselves about the deepest fundamental issues this team has faced.
We didn't want to accept that Eli was falling off a cliff around 2014.
We didn't want to accept that Gettleman was an asshole.
We didn't want to accept that drafting a RB #2 overall was stupid.
We didn't want to accept that Daniel Jones sucks.
We didn't want to accept that the Maras don't know football, and the only good things in the Super Bowl are that have happened under their watch came courtesy of George Young and Ernie Accorsi.
We didn't want to accept that no one outside of us gives a shit about the Super Bowl wins over the Pats anymore; the NFL has moved on. The smart organizations have lapped the Giants and left them in the dust.
Until the Giants stop staring into their own navels and buy themselves a fucking calendar this shit is going to keep happening.
I agree and you make alot of good points. But I think if we resign one of them, we should had kept Saquon, not Jones. Or at least give the contract to Barkely & franchise tag Jones.
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And he still sucks
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
The Giants were like 24-46-1 with Barkley. It wouldn’t have made a difference
Yes because we weren't a good team before. We can say that our team in 2024 is close to a better team that has a chance to win games and compete for the playoffs. Saquon was our offense in years prior and getting rid of him and keeping Jones was a big mistake.
You’re still not getting it. They added Nabers and the offense is just as bad as it was last year.
It’s the QB. Doesn’t matter who else you put on offense until the QB is upgraded
I agree the problem is the quarterback. What I am saying is because Saquon is/was our offense in prior years, we should had sign a contract with him over Jones. We should had kept him for this season instead letting him go to the Eagles. If we franchise Jones for the 2023 season for 1 year, at least we can have a stop gap quarterback with Nabers and Saquon this year & who know what this team would look like. We gave the contract to the wrong person and let go of Saquon instead of Jones.
They offered him a contract at the bye in the 22 season, they offere dhim a contract at the end of the 22 season...He turned it down and signed for less guaranteed then what they offered..
Signing Jones was a mistake but it wasnt because they chose Jones over Barkley, they had to get 1 signed and franchise the other..
Thats what I am saying: the biggest reason we had success was Saquon not Jones. Yes Jones help, but it was mainly Barkley. We gave the contract to the wrong person. People think because Jone was efficient, we had to pay him.
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And he still sucks
Agree but having Barkley would had help as well. If you are trying to win, you keep Barkley. If we rebuilding, I can understand letting him go.
The Giants were like 24-46-1 with Barkley. It wouldn’t have made a difference
Yes because we weren't a good team before. We can say that our team in 2024 is close to a better team that has a chance to win games and compete for the playoffs. Saquon was our offense in years prior and getting rid of him and keeping Jones was a big mistake.
You’re still not getting it. They added Nabers and the offense is just as bad as it was last year.
It’s the QB. Doesn’t matter who else you put on offense until the QB is upgraded
I agree the problem is the quarterback. What I am saying is because Saquon is/was our offense in prior years, we should had sign a contract with him over Jones. We should had kept him for this season instead letting him go to the Eagles. If we franchise Jones for the 2023 season for 1 year, at least we can have a stop gap quarterback with Nabers and Saquon this year & who know what this team would look like. We gave the contract to the wrong person and let go of Saquon instead of Jones.
They offered him a contract at the bye in the 22 season, they offere dhim a contract at the end of the 22 season...He turned it down and signed for less guaranteed then what they offered..
Signing Jones was a mistake but it wasnt because they chose Jones over Barkley, they had to get 1 signed and franchise the other..
Yeah they tried and didn't workout. But they shouldn't had give up after the 2023 season; they should had conversation and sign Barkley this past offseason and letting him go was a mistake. They should had franchise Jones not Barkley. Jones was efficient, he had a okay season in 2022. you don't sign someone who is average.
From 2018 to 2021, Saquon was consistently good with a bad/average offensive line (he was mainly the offense). Yes he miss time like Jones, but he had a better career overall.
The NEFT was the right play imv but another big issue still remained. The Giants still had a big LoS issue.
This Giants team still has that LoS issue today with some moderate improvement. SB maximized what he could on a very flawed team imv.
They could have kept Barkley, let Jones walk and signed one of the much cheaper (and as it turned out, better) FA qb's out there, positioning themselves for the draft, and using the savings to acquire good run blocking o-linemen for an offense built around Barkley.
They could have let them both walk, and signed a cheaper rb and a cheaper qb, positioning themselves for the draft and using the savings to acquire actually decent FA or keep guys like McKinney.
I am sure you guys can think of other alternatives. Incredibly, or since this is the Giants FO, perhaps predictably, they chose the worst alternative which was to let Barkley walk to a division rival and lavished dollars and guarantees on a bum qb.
The NEFT was the right play imv but another big issue still remained. The Giants still had a big LoS issue.
This Giants team still has that LoS issue today with some moderate improvement. SB maximized what he could on a very flawed team imv.
When the run game went down, we started losing and also played better teams. Saquon was able to elevate himself with a bad offensive line & still was productive when he was the only offense the Giants had. He did alot with less. Can't say that about Daniel Jones.
The NEFT was the right play imv but another big issue still remained. The Giants still had a big LoS issue.
This Giants team still has that LoS issue today with some moderate improvement. SB maximized what he could on a very flawed team imv.
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you do, 1 good year shouldn't get you close to that contract.
Bidding against themselves in a transaction that makes Schoen look like a bigger fool than Gettleman.
And that's the biggest insult you can get in NY.
Saquon is a better player than Daniel Jones, not even close. Saquon that year was our offense and he was the reason we went to the playoffs that year. Yes Jones help, but it was mainly Saquon. The problem is because people think Jones did okay 1 year, oh he is the franchise quarterback and we need to pay him like an elite quarterback. I don't blame people in that moment, but you have to be realistic. Who is more consistent: Barkely or Jones? Were learning that the hard way now.
Of course Saquon is the better player. Jones isn't a good QB and Saquon is a good RB when healthy. But that doesn't mean we absolutely need Saquon, we don't. There are many good RBs and RBBC committee works just fine. We didn't lose yesterday by 25 points because Saquon isn't on the team. We would have lost by probably just as much with him. We lost because we continue to struggle at the most important position on the field, QB.
And yes, you should blame people in that moment. It was a critical moment and really not a tough decision to think through what to do. And the Giants front office screwed it up.
I can name 10 guys on this board off the top of my head that would have made a better decision with how Jones and Saquon went down two offseasons ago. And we are just adamant fans...not GMs.
These are unforced errors that are killing this team.
The NEFT was the right play imv but another big issue still remained. The Giants still had a big LoS issue.
This Giants team still has that LoS issue today with some moderate improvement. SB maximized what he could on a very flawed team imv.
Barkley was one of the leading rushers in the league, and when teams started to fixate on him the second half he was still getting a lot of receiving yards. His total yards per game was very good, he had a lot of 55 yd rush and 50 yd receiving games. Faking to Barkley also opened up the Jones runs, which he was successful at. Looking back Barkley was the key not Jones, everything ran through Barkley. Defenses were just keying on him, which opened up Jones for runs. Plus Barkley still was very effective
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During the 7-2 start, SB ran for 105/game. His last 7 games, SB averaged 55y/game. DJ's had a high number of 1st down conversion runs and over 45 of those were on 3rd and long.
The NEFT was the right play imv but another big issue still remained. The Giants still had a big LoS issue.
This Giants team still has that LoS issue today with some moderate improvement. SB maximized what he could on a very flawed team imv.
Barkley was one of the leading rushers in the league, and when teams started to fixate on him the second half he was still getting a lot of receiving yards. His total yards per game was very good, he had a lot of 55 yd rush and 50 yd receiving games. Faking to Barkley also opened up the Jones runs, which he was successful at. Looking back Barkley was the key not Jones, everything ran through Barkley. Defenses were just keying on him, which opened up Jones for runs. Plus Barkley still was very effective
and the players knew it was about Barkley, which is why they were miffed when the Giants signed Jones and not him
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I hate saying this, but that WC win did more harm than good long term.
I don't think the win did any damage. It was fun. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people - ownership, front office, media, fans - can't assess the situation objectively and intelligently.
If the Giants had been intelligent and let both Jones and Barkley sign elsewhere as free agents after 2022, a legion of mouth breathing children who couldn't think past the next ten seconds would have freaked out. And unfortunately ownership listens to those mouth breathing children.
This whole situation - and this goes back to 2013 - developed from a complete unwillingness to be honest with ourselves about the deepest fundamental issues this team has faced.
We didn't want to accept that Eli was falling off a cliff around 2014.
We didn't want to accept that Gettleman was an asshole.
We didn't want to accept that drafting a RB #2 overall was stupid.
We didn't want to accept that Daniel Jones sucks.
We didn't want to accept that the Maras don't know football, and the only good things in the Super Bowl are that have happened under their watch came courtesy of George Young and Ernie Accorsi.
We didn't want to accept that no one outside of us gives a shit about the Super Bowl wins over the Pats anymore; the NFL has moved on. The smart organizations have lapped the Giants and left them in the dust.
Until the Giants stop staring into their own navels and buy themselves a fucking calendar this shit is going to keep happening.
I agree and you make alot of good points. But I think if we resign one of them, we should had kept Saquon, not Jones. Or at least give the contract to Barkely & franchise tag Jones.
No kidding, that isn't some epiphany.
But think through it...we would still have been stuck with Jones and Barkley and losing games. It may have gotten us off of Daniel Jones quicker if they cut bait last year which is good thing. But we still need to be drafting QBs and we seem not to want to.
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I hate saying this, but that WC win did more harm than good long term.
I don't think the win did any damage. It was fun. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people - ownership, front office, media, fans - can't assess the situation objectively and intelligently.
If the Giants had been intelligent and let both Jones and Barkley sign elsewhere as free agents after 2022, a legion of mouth breathing children who couldn't think past the next ten seconds would have freaked out. And unfortunately ownership listens to those mouth breathing children.
This whole situation - and this goes back to 2013 - developed from a complete unwillingness to be honest with ourselves about the deepest fundamental issues this team has faced.
We didn't want to accept that Eli was falling off a cliff around 2014.
We didn't want to accept that Gettleman was an asshole.
We didn't want to accept that drafting a RB #2 overall was stupid.
We didn't want to accept that Daniel Jones sucks.
We didn't want to accept that the Maras don't know football, and the only good things in the Super Bowl are that have happened under their watch came courtesy of George Young and Ernie Accorsi.
We didn't want to accept that no one outside of us gives a shit about the Super Bowl wins over the Pats anymore; the NFL has moved on. The smart organizations have lapped the Giants and left them in the dust.
Until the Giants stop staring into their own navels and buy themselves a fucking calendar this shit is going to keep happening.
I agree and you make alot of good points. But I think if we resign one of them, we should had kept Saquon, not Jones. Or at least give the contract to Barkely & franchise tag Jones.
No kidding, that isn't some epiphany.
But think through it...we would still have been stuck with Jones and Barkley and losing games. It may have gotten us off of Daniel Jones quicker if they cut bait last year which is good thing. But we still need to be drafting QBs and we seem not to want to.
If we franchise Daniel Jones in 2023 (1 year contract), he would had been a free agent & we could had sign a stop gap quarterback like Flacco, Wilson, or Darnold & who know what the offense would be with a new quarterback with Nabers/Barkley. Agree now we need to draft a quarterback.
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I hate saying this, but that WC win did more harm than good long term.
I don't think the win did any damage. It was fun. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people - ownership, front office, media, fans - can't assess the situation objectively and intelligently.
If the Giants had been intelligent and let both Jones and Barkley sign elsewhere as free agents after 2022, a legion of mouth breathing children who couldn't think past the next ten seconds would have freaked out. And unfortunately ownership listens to those mouth breathing children.
This whole situation - and this goes back to 2013 - developed from a complete unwillingness to be honest with ourselves about the deepest fundamental issues this team has faced.
We didn't want to accept that Eli was falling off a cliff around 2014.
We didn't want to accept that Gettleman was an asshole.
We didn't want to accept that drafting a RB #2 overall was stupid.
We didn't want to accept that Daniel Jones sucks.
We didn't want to accept that the Maras don't know football, and the only good things in the Super Bowl are that have happened under their watch came courtesy of George Young and Ernie Accorsi.
We didn't want to accept that no one outside of us gives a shit about the Super Bowl wins over the Pats anymore; the NFL has moved on. The smart organizations have lapped the Giants and left them in the dust.
Until the Giants stop staring into their own navels and buy themselves a fucking calendar this shit is going to keep happening.
I agree and you make alot of good points. But I think if we resign one of them, we should had kept Saquon, not Jones. Or at least give the contract to Barkely & franchise tag Jones.
No kidding, that isn't some epiphany.
But think through it...we would still have been stuck with Jones and Barkley and losing games. It may have gotten us off of Daniel Jones quicker if they cut bait last year which is good thing. But we still need to be drafting QBs and we seem not to want to.
If we franchise Daniel Jones in 2023 (1 year contract), he would had been a free agent & we could had sign a stop gap quarterback like Flacco, Wilson, or Darnold & who know what the offense would be with a new quarterback with Nabers/Barkley. Agree now we need to draft a quarterback.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe this regime would have franchised Daniel again because they remember the second half of the Arizona game and really wanted a dynamic WR like Nabers in the mix.
Maybe they would have signed Lock to be the starter instead of Flacco, Wilson and Darnold.
Maybe they would have drafted JJ McCarthy afterall.
You don't just wake up and draft a QB when you are nowhere and desperately need one. That is what bad teams do and typically why many of them stay bad.
You draft QBs because you evaluate them, find good traits that may translate well to NFL play, and decide they have enough value (with whatever risk) to add onto the roster.
When you become desperate, you often make bad decisions.
Like drafting Daniel Jones overall #6 in 2019. And then convincing yourself you can't be wrong so staying with him 6 years later.
Are we done?
And therefore they talked themselves into the fact that Schoen paying $40M for that made sense since top QBs salaries were rising so quickly.
The simply flaw was Jones was never a top QB. Not even close. And a lot of people missed it.
"Yes, people really expected Jones to take it to the next level and be one of the top QBs in the NFL. Not elite level, but Top 10."
Say what? What idiots thought that?
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one of the top QBs in the NFL. Not elite level, but Top 10.
And therefore they talked themselves into the fact that Schoen paying $40M for that made sense since top QBs salaries were rising so quickly.
The simply flaw was Jones was never a top QB. Not even close. And a lot of people missed it.
"Yes, people really expected Jones to take it to the next level and be one of the top QBs in the NFL. Not elite level, but Top 10."
Say what? What idiots thought that?
Go look in the archives and read the names. Add the Mara's, Schoen and Daboll to that list as well. And typically any remaining DJFC members...if they still post.
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I hate saying this, but that WC win did more harm than good long term.
I don't think the win did any damage. It was fun. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when people - ownership, front office, media, fans - can't assess the situation objectively and intelligently.
If the Giants had been intelligent and let both Jones and Barkley sign elsewhere as free agents after 2022, a legion of mouth breathing children who couldn't think past the next ten seconds would have freaked out. And unfortunately ownership listens to those mouth breathing children.
This whole situation - and this goes back to 2013 - developed from a complete unwillingness to be honest with ourselves about the deepest fundamental issues this team has faced.
We didn't want to accept that Eli was falling off a cliff around 2014.
We didn't want to accept that Gettleman was an asshole.
We didn't want to accept that drafting a RB #2 overall was stupid.
We didn't want to accept that Daniel Jones sucks.
We didn't want to accept that the Maras don't know football, and the only good things in the Super Bowl are that have happened under their watch came courtesy of George Young and Ernie Accorsi.
We didn't want to accept that no one outside of us gives a shit about the Super Bowl wins over the Pats anymore; the NFL has moved on. The smart organizations have lapped the Giants and left them in the dust.
Until the Giants stop staring into their own navels and buy themselves a fucking calendar this shit is going to keep happening.
I agree and you make alot of good points. But I think if we resign one of them, we should had kept Saquon, not Jones. Or at least give the contract to Barkely & franchise tag Jones.
No kidding, that isn't some epiphany.
But think through it...we would still have been stuck with Jones and Barkley and losing games. It may have gotten us off of Daniel Jones quicker if they cut bait last year which is good thing. But we still need to be drafting QBs and we seem not to want to.
If we franchise Daniel Jones in 2023 (1 year contract), he would had been a free agent & we could had sign a stop gap quarterback like Flacco, Wilson, or Darnold & who know what the offense would be with a new quarterback with Nabers/Barkley. Agree now we need to draft a quarterback.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe this regime would have franchised Daniel again because they remember the second half of the Arizona game and really wanted a dynamic WR like Nabers in the mix.
Maybe they would have signed Lock to be the starter instead of Flacco, Wilson and Darnold.
Maybe they would have drafted JJ McCarthy afterall.
You don't just wake up and draft a QB when you are nowhere and desperately need one. That is what bad teams do and typically why many of them stay bad.
You draft QBs because you evaluate them, find good traits that may translate well to NFL play, and decide they have enough value (with whatever risk) to add onto the roster.
When you become desperate, you often make bad decisions.
Like drafting Daniel Jones overall #6 in 2019. And then convincing yourself you can't be wrong so staying with him 6 years later.
Are we done?
Agree that we they could had brought Jones back (or other scenerios) even if they franchise him. With the way the line played last year, it's hard to evaluate. Trading for Burns, drafting Nabers & Nubin, addressing the offensive line, drafting the tight end and running back (Schoen is building to compete, not rebuild). They should had brought Barkley back. If we are trying to win, why bring in Lock just to be a backup, or draft Mccarthy? And I am glad they didn't force a quarterback pick. They should had brought in a backup quarterback that can compete with Jones, not just be a backup. They didn't value the other quarterback (beside William, Maye, & Daniel) as high as Nabers. They were looking for a quarterback in the draft & trying to trade up (which mean they already have move on from Jones especially taking him out in the 4th quarter). Because of that they should get a quarterback, but we have to see where we pick & if we are able to make a trade with another team. And also if Schoen/Daboll is back, they have to get their guy so they can buy more time.
This is what I always thought of him. If Daniel Jones were the starting Tampa Bay or Kansas City QB, they'd be 1-5 or something similar.
He also would've been better playing with a player like Nabers which he never got to play with a #1 wide....till he got to Philly anyway....