56.9 which is slightly below average. He’s a second year starter and interior Linemen usually take off in year 3. Way too early to call him a bust. This isn’t. It a Jalin Hyatt case. He actually starts and is a useful player.
he doesn't appear to have the strength that you'd like to see from a Center, and he was an older draftee, so he's pretty much a full grown man now. On a bright side, he moves very well for a Center
The problem is that he injured his shoulder badly last year, went on IR, had surgery, got cleared to practice this year and almost instantly injured it again.
If you want to criticize Schoen, criticize him for not drafting any OL this past draft.
ratings. Every Giant OL had positive ratings for Sunday, it’s almost like they didn’t watch the same game. 8 sacks, double-digit pressures, even if you want to put some of that on the QB’s, it still doesn’t equate to positive scores for everyone.
JMS wasn’t a bad pick, but he was overdrafted, like Wan’Dale was overdrafted, like Ezeudu, like Flott, the list goes on. Trading 2 picks to move up one spot to take Banks - when Joey Porter Jr was still on the board - all shows that while Schoen may have a decent eye for talent, he reaches for much of it.
It’s only one bad game? We shouldn’t close the book on him, he missed a lot of development time last year, but the expectation was that he was a day one starter. That he’s still struggling belies that idea.
He’s definitely better this year and gaining experience……
ratings. Every Giant OL had positive ratings for Sunday, it’s almost like they didn’t watch the same game. 8 sacks, double-digit pressures, even if you want to put some of that on the QB’s, it still doesn’t equate to positive scores for everyone.
JMS wasn’t a bad pick, but he was overdrafted, like Wan’Dale was overdrafted, like Ezeudu, like Flott, the list goes on. Trading 2 picks to move up one spot to take Banks - when Joey Porter Jr was still on the board - all shows that while Schoen may have a decent eye for talent, he reaches for much of it.
he's one of the worst starting centers in the NFL. Teams take advantage of him every week. Anyone who watches the all 22 knows how poorly he's played this year. If there's a new GM and HC and it's trending that way I'll be shocked if he's the staring center next year.
most of these guys are going to look bad. JMS is a solid Center, he does his job when we are healthy. Don’t think he’s got elite tools though, so we are going to see some bad games when guys like Thomas are out, unfortunately.
In order to know what the actual "average" PFF score is, one would have to do a statistical analysis. link - ( New Window )
PFF is a tool, it’s not the end all be all as far as rating player. Sauce Gardner is arguably the best corner in the NFL and he has 65.8 grade this season. Is he a Backup level player? Absolutely not.
You can argue how good he is, but we have to remember, the Giants were literally pathetic at the C position when they drafted him. He's helped restore an acceptable floor for the position, so he has been a help.
not COULD CARE LESS. If you could care less, that means you care. COULDN'T care less means you can't care any less than you do now. Meaning you don't care.
Which picks did you have a problem with when they occurred?
I swear some of you act like they picked Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers.
So it’s okay as long as the player drafted was ranked properly by others? It doesn’t matter the player turns out to be terrible.
I keep seeing this excuse with Evan Neal. I don’t care where the player was ranked at draft time, I want them to produce good young players. Schoen has failed miserably at that.
All those scouts JS has kissing his ass….all talentless sycophants spending Mara’s money on fancy meals as seen on hard knocks…..hire Sy56 and let him go to work picking some winners.
and it's only been a year and a half, that he isn't a bust...yet.
He seems to be in a slot of floor isn't rock bottom, while (current) ceiling is meh. I think both floor and ceiling need to go up, or he will go down as a poor pick.
I'm not discouraged, but I'm not excited, either.
I wouldn't say he's a bust yet, but I'd like to see some improvement
not COULD CARE LESS. If you could care less, that means you care. COULDN'T care less means you can't care any less than you do now. Meaning you don't care.
Some things, you know, the people have spoken.
To beat this dead horse, to fight city hall, well, you are just bringing coal to Newcastle!
not COULD CARE LESS. If you could care less, that means you care. COULDN'T care less means you can't care any less than you do now. Meaning you don't care.
Some things, you know, the people have spoken.
To beat this dead horse, to fight city hall, well, you are just bringing coal to Newcastle!
Don’t get me started on “The proof is in the pudding.”
People forget that JMS's ceiling was never as an All-Pro
The fact that you're so upset that PFF grade a Giants player higher than a Cowboys player tells me you're a Cowboys fan troll.
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par for the course for PFF.
The fact that you're so upset that PFF grade a Giants player higher than a Cowboys player tells me you're a Cowboys fan troll.
First of all, who is upset? Could care less about PFF.
Second, nice try. I'm a NYG STH for years.
The problem is that he injured his shoulder badly last year, went on IR, had surgery, got cleared to practice this year and almost instantly injured it again.
If you want to criticize Schoen, criticize him for not drafting any OL this past draft.
Which picks did you have a problem with when they occurred?
I swear some of you act like they picked Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers.
JMS wasn’t a bad pick, but he was overdrafted, like Wan’Dale was overdrafted, like Ezeudu, like Flott, the list goes on. Trading 2 picks to move up one spot to take Banks - when Joey Porter Jr was still on the board - all shows that while Schoen may have a decent eye for talent, he reaches for much of it.
It’s only one bad game? We shouldn’t close the book on him, he missed a lot of development time last year, but the expectation was that he was a day one starter. That he’s still struggling belies that idea.
PFF itself does not say that 60 is average, which I gather is your presumption. This is their own characterization:
100-90 Elite
89-85 Pro Bowler
84-70 Starter
69-60 Backup
59-0 Replaceable
In order to know what the actual "average" PFF score is, one would have to do a statistical analysis.
link - ( New Window )
JMS wasn’t a bad pick, but he was overdrafted, like Wan’Dale was overdrafted, like Ezeudu, like Flott, the list goes on. Trading 2 picks to move up one spot to take Banks - when Joey Porter Jr was still on the board - all shows that while Schoen may have a decent eye for talent, he reaches for much of it.
worse, he did it on Stink Martindale's urging.
agreed
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56.9 which is slightly below average.
PFF itself does not say that 60 is average, which I gather is your presumption. This is their own characterization:
100-90 Elite
89-85 Pro Bowler
84-70 Starter
69-60 Backup
59-0 Replaceable
In order to know what the actual "average" PFF score is, one would have to do a statistical analysis. link - ( New Window )
PFF is a tool, it’s not the end all be all as far as rating player. Sauce Gardner is arguably the best corner in the NFL and he has 65.8 grade this season. Is he a Backup level player? Absolutely not.
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Had his chances and deserves to get the axe
Which picks did you have a problem with when they occurred?
I swear some of you act like they picked Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers.
So it’s okay as long as the player drafted was ranked properly by others? It doesn’t matter the player turns out to be terrible.
I keep seeing this excuse with Evan Neal. I don’t care where the player was ranked at draft time, I want them to produce good young players. Schoen has failed miserably at that.
He seems to be in a slot of floor isn't rock bottom, while (current) ceiling is meh. I think both floor and ceiling need to go up, or he will go down as a poor pick.
I'm not discouraged, but I'm not excited, either.
Sy has good things to say 3 times
mixed review once
3 poor reviews, with 2 of them making the Dud list.
Unfortunately, the play is trending down as season progresses.
Some things, you know, the people have spoken.
To beat this dead horse, to fight city hall, well, you are just bringing coal to Newcastle!
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not COULD CARE LESS. If you could care less, that means you care. COULDN'T care less means you can't care any less than you do now. Meaning you don't care.
Some things, you know, the people have spoken.
To beat this dead horse, to fight city hall, well, you are just bringing coal to Newcastle!
Good for pointing out the mistake here. Torrance was mocked widely in the first round. Schoen owns this error.
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Instead we took the low ceiling center on the top end of his projection because of Ezeudu, McKethan, and Bredesen.
Good for pointing out the mistake here. Torrance was mocked widely in the first round. Schoen owns this error.
The sad thing is if we had drafted Torrance, I feel like he'd look a lot like JMS looks right now.
Why does this matter?