Especially if that would ensure we could draft a future franchise QB. I’d sell anyone on this team for a QB who could make watching the Giants “watchable” again.
As for Daboll calling so many passes, I remember when Nick Sabin jumped on him for calling too many pass plays at the end of a game. On Sunday he had Ezedeu out there at left tackle — Give me a fucking break with all those passes.
probably an unpopular opinion but I would too. They are wasting the prime years of dex and Thomas with Jones at QB. I'd look at a full rebuild if you could get enough.
They will win nothing playing like 2022. Go look at that season again. It was fake. They limped into the last 5 games of the season and lucked into favorable matchups against bad teams.
The irony is certainly lost on members of the fanbase who remind us that the Giants "could" have been 4-1 this season that in 2022 they weren't more than a handful of plays away from starting 2-6 rather than 6-2.
Thanks Sy. Appreciate the analysis. My thought though is we are now
playing for next year. We can't let Jones get hurt. Bench him. We know what Lock is so make him your 3rd stringer. Devito won three games last year. His cockiness, and I mean that in a good way, may give them a spark. Crazy? Probably. But it's crazy we re in this situation again after all these years.
I have to question one thing here Sy and thats the Robinson
not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
DeVito at least will inject some life into this team
it's not even about wining at this point but giving fans a reason to watch the damn game.
I and probably others have no desire to watch the Giants with Jones at QB. Jones is perhaps the most boring QB I have ever seen play the game.
So DeVito loses... does it matter? At least he may give the fans a story line that will inspire them to watch the game. Maybe DeVito will even complete a pass that travels 20+ yards in the air. That would be exciting.
If we won games with him last year I see no reason why we cannot win a few games with him this year.
However please explain the benefit of playing Jones for another month vs the downside of him possibly getting hurt because of not having AT at tackle and his legs getting him in trouble from taking too many hits?
Thanks again
I think Jones gives NYG the best chance to run a functional offense and see what we truly have in Wan'Dale + Nabers
RE: I have to question one thing here Sy and thats the Robinson
not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
RE: RE: I have to question one thing here Sy and thats the Robinson
not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
Well in the postgame on the radio, Papa pretty much blamed the loss on Robinson for that drop. That's pretty much all he talked about.
RE: RE: RE: I have to question one thing here Sy and thats the Robinson
not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
Well in the postgame on the radio, Papa pretty much blamed the loss on Robinson for that drop. That's pretty much all he talked about.
Not saying your wrong, Dave, just pointing out how disingenuous Papa is, and how he will break his back contorting himself to not say anything negative about Jones, or blame everyone else for his horribleness.
However please explain the benefit of playing Jones for another month vs the downside of him possibly getting hurt because of not having AT at tackle and his legs getting him in trouble from taking too many hits?
Thanks again
I think Jones gives NYG the best chance to run a functional offense and see what we truly have in Wan'Dale + Nabers
I think everyone knows what we have in Nabers and Wandale. What we need now is a QB that can maximize that talent and get the ball to them accurately and on time. Jones is the opposite of what they need
Sy'56 and I are on the same page with the play-calling. Very weird, almost 3-to-1 pass-run ratio (worse when game was close).
However, I would move onto DeVito. If you don't think he has potential, why did the team bother to put him on the 53-man roster?
I just said the same in the “Sy on NYG Front Office” thread. Its not a foregone conclusion at all that Jones gives them a better chance to win, DeVito still has upside which can be developed into a good backup or maybe a trade piece, energizes the fanbase and eliminates the injury guarantee risk. I’d go so far as to say its an obvious move at this point.
And to be fair, I didn’t watch a snap of this game. What bothers me most is his offensive approach, I’m not surprised to hear he abandoned the run again. He wants this offense to be multi dimensional and the run/pass ratio seems week-week which I would get if the QB showed a capability of being able to turn it on and off; Jones is anything but that.
Its a damned if you do, damned if you don’t though. I want him to stick with pro style, heavy PA even if the run game isn’t working; if he does this and they average 2 YPC most will say “the run’s not working; switch it up”
Maybe he wouldn’t need to do this with DeVito but I really believe the above approach maximizes the QB talent on the roster.
RE: RE: I have to question one thing here Sy and thats the Robinson
not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
Ok, can't say I saw that obviously. Still not a fan of Wandale. Felt that from the time we picked him. He is a 'luxury' pick to me. And I am not absolving Jones. His accuracy just continues to get worse and worse.
However please explain the benefit of playing Jones for another month vs the downside of him possibly getting hurt because of not having AT at tackle and his legs getting him in trouble from taking too many hits?
Thanks again
I think Jones gives NYG the best chance to run a functional offense and see what we truly have in Wan'Dale + Nabers
It appears Davoli still agrees. Let's hope Jones doesn't get injured.
see the game, but I agree with everything you said. I get to watch maybe...MAYBE 4 Giants games a year if I'm lucky, and I'm tired of watching losing efforts. I think this year's draft class was pretty solid, but it's time to start putting meat on the table. Soup and crackers is getting old.
are 6-0 with Mahomes having one of his worst statistical years (6TD to 8INTs). Good coaches adjust game plans to their opponents, but they also have to adjust it based on the roster and find a way to win with what they have.
In his first year, Daboll seemed to accept the limitations of his QB, OL and WR, but was able to overcome it by emphasizing the running attack and limiting opportunities for Jones to make mistakes. This year the Defense has been keeping games close, but Daboll seems intent on throwing caution to the wind to force the passing attack even when the Defenses are sitting in 2 high safety zones and sitting on routes while Jones stares down his receivers. I don't want Jones to tank a 3rd HC in 6 years, but at some point I think Daboll needs to go back to the 2022 formula and try to win games with what he has rather than force what he wants to happen in an idea offense. Jones was never going to be Josh Allen and the HC needs to accept that fact.
I've been watching the Chiefs a lot the last couple of years, and this year Reid has done a great job. They're doing it with an aging Travis Kelce, no regular receivers to speak of, and a mixed bag running back by committee. They do what they need to to win. We can't say that. It's depressing.
As for Daboll calling so many passes, I remember when Nick Sabin jumped on him for calling too many pass plays at the end of a game. On Sunday he had Ezedeu out there at left tackle — Give me a fucking break with all those passes.
probably an unpopular opinion but I would too. They are wasting the prime years of dex and Thomas with Jones at QB. I'd look at a full rebuild if you could get enough.
They will win nothing playing like 2022. Go look at that season again. It was fake. They limped into the last 5 games of the season and lucked into favorable matchups against bad teams.
The irony is certainly lost on members of the fanbase who remind us that the Giants "could" have been 4-1 this season that in 2022 they weren't more than a handful of plays away from starting 2-6 rather than 6-2.
I and probably others have no desire to watch the Giants with Jones at QB. Jones is perhaps the most boring QB I have ever seen play the game.
So DeVito loses... does it matter? At least he may give the fans a story line that will inspire them to watch the game. Maybe DeVito will even complete a pass that travels 20+ yards in the air. That would be exciting.
If we won games with him last year I see no reason why we cannot win a few games with him this year.
Thanks again
I think Jones gives NYG the best chance to run a functional offense and see what we truly have in Wan'Dale + Nabers
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
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not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
Well in the postgame on the radio, Papa pretty much blamed the loss on Robinson for that drop. That's pretty much all he talked about.
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not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
Well in the postgame on the radio, Papa pretty much blamed the loss on Robinson for that drop. That's pretty much all he talked about.
Not saying your wrong, Dave, just pointing out how disingenuous Papa is, and how he will break his back contorting himself to not say anything negative about Jones, or blame everyone else for his horribleness.
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However please explain the benefit of playing Jones for another month vs the downside of him possibly getting hurt because of not having AT at tackle and his legs getting him in trouble from taking too many hits?
Thanks again
I think Jones gives NYG the best chance to run a functional offense and see what we truly have in Wan'Dale + Nabers
I think everyone knows what we have in Nabers and Wandale. What we need now is a QB that can maximize that talent and get the ball to them accurately and on time. Jones is the opposite of what they need
However, I would move onto DeVito. If you don't think he has potential, why did the team bother to put him on the 53-man roster?
I just said the same in the “Sy on NYG Front Office” thread. Its not a foregone conclusion at all that Jones gives them a better chance to win, DeVito still has upside which can be developed into a good backup or maybe a trade piece, energizes the fanbase and eliminates the injury guarantee risk. I’d go so far as to say its an obvious move at this point.
Its a damned if you do, damned if you don’t though. I want him to stick with pro style, heavy PA even if the run game isn’t working; if he does this and they average 2 YPC most will say “the run’s not working; switch it up”
Maybe he wouldn’t need to do this with DeVito but I really believe the above approach maximizes the QB talent on the roster.
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not dropping a pass. I deleted the game from my DVR so I can't confirm, but I distinctly remember a bullet DJ threw over the middle to Robinson with 2 defenders on him. It was probably the only accurate pass Jones threw all game but it bounced in and out of his hands. Am I mis-remembering? At the time my son and I reviewed it and he was complaining about Jones and I did until I saw what I THOUGHT was a catchable ball that Wandale dropped. I said DJ sucks but having Wandale and Slayton dropping his rare decent ones doesn't help.
I watched it a bunch of times. Slay got his hand / arm downward on the ball. For what its worth, nobody in statistical analysis charted a drop there either.
Ok, can't say I saw that obviously. Still not a fan of Wandale. Felt that from the time we picked him. He is a 'luxury' pick to me. And I am not absolving Jones. His accuracy just continues to get worse and worse.
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However please explain the benefit of playing Jones for another month vs the downside of him possibly getting hurt because of not having AT at tackle and his legs getting him in trouble from taking too many hits?
Thanks again
I think Jones gives NYG the best chance to run a functional offense and see what we truly have in Wan'Dale + Nabers
It appears Davoli still agrees. Let's hope Jones doesn't get injured.
In his first year, Daboll seemed to accept the limitations of his QB, OL and WR, but was able to overcome it by emphasizing the running attack and limiting opportunities for Jones to make mistakes. This year the Defense has been keeping games close, but Daboll seems intent on throwing caution to the wind to force the passing attack even when the Defenses are sitting in 2 high safety zones and sitting on routes while Jones stares down his receivers. I don't want Jones to tank a 3rd HC in 6 years, but at some point I think Daboll needs to go back to the 2022 formula and try to win games with what he has rather than force what he wants to happen in an idea offense. Jones was never going to be Josh Allen and the HC needs to accept that fact.
I've been watching the Chiefs a lot the last couple of years, and this year Reid has done a great job. They're doing it with an aging Travis Kelce, no regular receivers to speak of, and a mixed bag running back by committee. They do what they need to to win. We can't say that. It's depressing.